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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#121 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:43 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:I totally forget who posted it. Maybe JMAC. But what does Scoot Henderson have that half the board was enamored that Holland doesn't? Holland stats and efficiency wise was even better. A lot of people were okay with Scoot not being able to shoot soooo why is Hollands shooting now am issue?


It's all in the name.

If it were Ron Henderson last year no one would believe in that guy.

Scoot Holland sounds like a future star, or at least solid starter.

And I'm only half kidding. :D


Lol I honestly thought this last year. I'm surprised I didn't like him coming into the draft. One of the reasons I liked MKG was because Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is a sexy name
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#122 » by wilson115 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:04 am

One of the better arguments for Holland I've seen:

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/pistons-draft-rumors-news-analysis-profiles/2024/6/16/24176480/nba-mock-draft-2024-predicting-how-the-top-10-picks-in-the-draft-could-go

For years, Charlotte has been one of the most meh teams in the league and has often missed picks in the lottery. Last year, they went against public opinion and took Brandon Miller over Scoot Henderson with the second pick. So far, that seems like a smart gamble. Miller proved to be one of the best rookies in the league, and alongside Lamelo Ball, the Hornets may be capable of showing some real signs of life for the first time in, well, ever.

The Ignite’s Ron Holland is an upside swing, but in what’s considered a weak class, I think it’s a swing worth taking, especially outside of the top five. I’d argue that Holland is maybe the lone player in this class, perhaps outside of Alex Sarr, who has a real all-star upside.

Furthermore, he is the one person in this draft who might have something to say when analysts anoint Castle as the best perimeter defender in the class. He simply gets after guys, and his energy and fiery demeanor could be a jolt of life to a roster that seems to lack an emotional leader.

I am a huge believer in his ceiling. If this pick hits, then Charlotte has two wings that have All-Star-level potential that also complement one another fairly well. That would be a great foundation to build around and you’d have arguably the toughest position to land elite talent taken care of for years to come.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#123 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:00 pm

wilson115 wrote:One of the better arguments for Holland I've seen:

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/pistons-draft-rumors-news-analysis-profiles/2024/6/16/24176480/nba-mock-draft-2024-predicting-how-the-top-10-picks-in-the-draft-could-go

For years, Charlotte has been one of the most meh teams in the league and has often missed picks in the lottery. Last year, they went against public opinion and took Brandon Miller over Scoot Henderson with the second pick. So far, that seems like a smart gamble. Miller proved to be one of the best rookies in the league, and alongside Lamelo Ball, the Hornets may be capable of showing some real signs of life for the first time in, well, ever.

The Ignite’s Ron Holland is an upside swing, but in what’s considered a weak class, I think it’s a swing worth taking, especially outside of the top five. I’d argue that Holland is maybe the lone player in this class, perhaps outside of Alex Sarr, who has a real all-star upside.

Furthermore, he is the one person in this draft who might have something to say when analysts anoint Castle as the best perimeter defender in the class. He simply gets after guys, and his energy and fiery demeanor could be a jolt of life to a roster that seems to lack an emotional leader.

I am a huge believer in his ceiling. If this pick hits, then Charlotte has two wings that have All-Star-level potential that also complement one another fairly well. That would be a great foundation to build around and you’d have arguably the toughest position to land elite talent taken care of for years to come.


No the guy that may see as one of the few guys with all-star potential should be falling out of the lottery in a weak class
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#124 » by Chapelchilla » Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:06 pm

I guess he might be a good pick. But, has a downside of the Lance vibe.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#125 » by Bassman » Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:09 pm

Some guys see the intense athleticism and emotion as reason to take a shot at Holland. His shooting is marginal, but his stroke is funky…which gives me concerns for improvement potential. Not MKG broken but needs some focused tear down and rebuild. Should be good defensively but may be foul prone. I don’t want him at 6 but wouldn’t be destroyed if part of a good trade back scenario.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#126 » by yosemiteben » Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:26 pm

Awesome Ron Holland read:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2024/6/20/24176387/ron-holland-nba-draft-stock-feature-analysis-breakdown-high-school

Several quotes read like he is the real MKG 2.0:

“If anyone hears the name Ron Holland, the word energy has always been around me since I was born,” Holland told reporters at the NBA Draft combine. “I feel like energy gets people going. If you’re able to get your teammates going, and you have a really good team around you, it’s hard to be beat.”

Holland is rarely totally out of a play because he consistently makes multiple efforts. His burst to the ball, sharp hands, and quick leaping give him tremendous recovery ability.

Holland’s rim pressure will be a signature part of his game if he reaches his ceiling. Of course, that’s going to take time for a player who will still be 18 years old on draft day. In the meantime, Holland’s best hope for earning minutes comes back to his motor and his ability to find opportunistic scoring chances when a play isn’t run for him.

Holland has a gift for high-pointing the ball in the air. He doesn’t wait for a loose ball or rebound to come to him, he sucks it up like Pac-Man devouring a yellow dot. He’s able to turn those recoveries into grab-and-go opportunities before the defense gets set. He’s going to be a lob threat if he plays with a high-level passer, and he has the chance to develop into a mismatch scorer after scramble plays and on switches.

For all of his talent, Holland’s lack of a jump shot is bordering on a fatal flaw for his pro stock. He shot only 27 percent on “open” three-pointers, and had “bad misses” on nearly 20 percent of his attempts. In a league that just saw its first true five-out champion, drafting such a bad shooter will be a non-starter for some teams. Of course, you don’t have to dig that far to find examples of other young guards and wings who shot the ball poorly as an 18-year-old before eventually turning into real three-point threats.

“I describe my game as a high-level energy guy that is very versatile,” Holland said at the draft combine. “I can guard 1-5 and play 1-4. I can do anything my coach needs me to do. I feel like that’s one of the best parts about my game.”

“Ron’s got a little crazy in him to the point where he just, he has no care for his well being,” Peavy said. “If he has to jump and get a rebound, but it means he’s going to smack his head against the backboard and have a concussion, he’ll do it.”
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#127 » by fatlever » Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:23 pm

collins on ron holland when he makes a deep 3 "he shot that one from Rotterdam"
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#128 » by fatlever » Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:26 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Awesome Ron Holland read:

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2024/6/20/24176387/ron-holland-nba-draft-stock-feature-analysis-breakdown-high-school

Several quotes read like he is the real MKG 2.0:

“If anyone hears the name Ron Holland, the word energy has always been around me since I was born,” Holland told reporters at the NBA Draft combine. “I feel like energy gets people going. If you’re able to get your teammates going, and you have a really good team around you, it’s hard to be beat.”

Holland is rarely totally out of a play because he consistently makes multiple efforts. His burst to the ball, sharp hands, and quick leaping give him tremendous recovery ability.

Holland’s rim pressure will be a signature part of his game if he reaches his ceiling. Of course, that’s going to take time for a player who will still be 18 years old on draft day. In the meantime, Holland’s best hope for earning minutes comes back to his motor and his ability to find opportunistic scoring chances when a play isn’t run for him.

Holland has a gift for high-pointing the ball in the air. He doesn’t wait for a loose ball or rebound to come to him, he sucks it up like Pac-Man devouring a yellow dot. He’s able to turn those recoveries into grab-and-go opportunities before the defense gets set. He’s going to be a lob threat if he plays with a high-level passer, and he has the chance to develop into a mismatch scorer after scramble plays and on switches.

For all of his talent, Holland’s lack of a jump shot is bordering on a fatal flaw for his pro stock. He shot only 27 percent on “open” three-pointers, and had “bad misses” on nearly 20 percent of his attempts. In a league that just saw its first true five-out champion, drafting such a bad shooter will be a non-starter for some teams. Of course, you don’t have to dig that far to find examples of other young guards and wings who shot the ball poorly as an 18-year-old before eventually turning into real three-point threats.

“I describe my game as a high-level energy guy that is very versatile,” Holland said at the draft combine. “I can guard 1-5 and play 1-4. I can do anything my coach needs me to do. I feel like that’s one of the best parts about my game.”

“Ron’s got a little crazy in him to the point where he just, he has no care for his well being,” Peavy said. “If he has to jump and get a rebound, but it means he’s going to smack his head against the backboard and have a concussion, he’ll do it.”


he feels more like a young gerald wallace to me. i'd kill for gerald wallace on this team.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#129 » by Rich4114 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:27 pm

I definitely do not want MKG 2.0 or any version of MKG. That guy wouldn't be playable in today's NBA.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#130 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:31 pm

We aren't going to end up drafting him, he will fall to Lakers and Heat and turn into a star. NBA teams way overthinking this for some reason, when the guy has top 5 natural ability, great size, great motor and is one of the youngest players in the draft.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#131 » by yosemiteben » Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:43 pm

I know that was largely a Holland puff piece, but wasn't exactly thrilled to hear he's not a very good practice player.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#132 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:22 pm

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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#133 » by SWedd523 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:13 pm

I'd like to hear a serious argument for Castle being higher rated than Holland.

I think had their situations been reversed, Holland would be a serious candidate for #1 pick.

He has maybe the highest offensive ceiling in the class and has shown the ability to be a high end defender as well. Sure he's pretty raw but I think he's being seriously undervalued
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#134 » by amcoolio » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:25 pm

SWedd523 wrote:I'd like to hear a serious argument for Castle being higher rated than Holland.

I think had their situations been reversed, Holland would be a serious candidate for #1 pick.

He has maybe the highest offensive ceiling in the class and has shown the ability to be a high end defender as well. Sure he's pretty raw but I think he's being seriously undervalued


I would take Holland over Castle. You can't sell me on "works hard on defense" anymore, I mean look at the Pistons they are full of those types of players and have sucked for 3 straight years
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#135 » by yosemiteben » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:30 pm

SWedd523 wrote:I'd like to hear a serious argument for Castle being higher rated than Holland.

I think had their situations been reversed, Holland would be a serious candidate for #1 pick.

He has maybe the highest offensive ceiling in the class and has shown the ability to be a high end defender as well. Sure he's pretty raw but I think he's being seriously undervalued

Honestly that article that talked about him being bad at practice and actually getting kicked out a lot has me a bit spooked, but that's pretty much the only thing for me.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#136 » by LofJ » Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:04 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:I'd like to hear a serious argument for Castle being higher rated than Holland.

I think had their situations been reversed, Holland would be a serious candidate for #1 pick.

He has maybe the highest offensive ceiling in the class and has shown the ability to be a high end defender as well. Sure he's pretty raw but I think he's being seriously undervalued

Honestly that article that talked about him being bad at practice and actually getting kicked out a lot has me a bit spooked, but that's pretty much the only thing for me.


His HS Coach quoted in the article said that happened earlier on when he was a freshman/sophomore but that he grew up and matured after his stint with USA basketball. Really the article just made it seem like Holland plays a lot better when the stakes are high. So playing in the zero stakes G-League was probably the worst league he could have possibly chosen to play in. Whoever advised him to play there did him a major disservice.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#137 » by wilson115 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:16 pm

His coach at Team USA also said he had no problems with him anywhere. Great article, thanks for posting it.

USA Basketball extended another invitation to play in the 2022 FIBA U17 World Cup in Spain, where it would claim another gold medal. Cooper Flagg, the likely first pick in the 2025 NBA Draft, led the team in the tournament’s efficiency metric. Holland was second.

Sharman White, who coached Holland to both gold medals with USA Basketball, never had any issues with Holland at practice or otherwise. He viewed him as an ultimate team player.

“He was a leader in both years,” White told SB Nation. “He did everything we asked him to do. He’s a competitor so, you know, you might see him fired up a little bit, but it wasn’t nothing out of line out. He’s always picking up his teammates.”
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#138 » by luciano-davidwesley » Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:37 am

SWedd523 wrote:I'd like to hear a serious argument for Castle being higher rated than Holland.

I think had their situations been reversed, Holland would be a serious candidate for #1 pick.

He has maybe the highest offensive ceiling in the class and has shown the ability to be a high end defender as well. Sure he's pretty raw but I think he's being seriously undervalued

People always overrate the NCAA champions players
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#139 » by MPM » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:02 pm

Anthony Davis. Jalen Brunson.

The only two current NBA players who are also NCAA champs.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospect: Ron Holland 

Post#140 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:12 pm

MPM wrote:Anthony Davis. Jalen Brunson.

The only two current NBA players who are also NCAA champs.

Not sure if I'm missing a joke, but that's definitely not the complete list.

Christian Braun
Jordan Hawkins
Ochai Agbaji
Davion Mitchell
De'Andre Hunter
Mikhal Bridges
Justin Jackson
Josh Hart
Tyus Jones
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