Okie Dokie Josh Okogie

[fatlever]

No words
Really sucks. He was fun to watch.

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[yosemiteben]

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[JMAC3]

Glad he came back for the end of the year so team can get a longer look at him, 8 games was not enough.

Over last 5 since he came back he is 1/9 from three and averaging 5 ppg while playing under 15 mpg.

Just not a chance I am picking up his option for 7.5 million unless it is use in a trade later.

[fatlever]

He's been on minutes restriction, hence low mpg
Coming off 2 months of not playing
Everything but the 3 has looked good
He's smart vet. Good defender. Hustles. Strong. Physical, Can guard 3-4 positions.
Unless declining his 8 gets you ability to chase bigger name FAs, or keeps us under apron, why would you decline? What do we gain other than roster spot? Serious question. I'm not really paying attention to our cap situation.
You always talk about retaining talent. At worst he's a better Jeffries and salary to match in trades.we need wing defenders with Cody gone.

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[HornetJail]

the Nurkic trade pushed us out of any realistic cap space scenarios. so yeah Okogie's getting that team option accepted

[JMAC3]

He's been on minutes restriction, hence low mpg
Coming off 2 months of not playing
Everything but the 3 has looked good
He's smart vet. Good defender. Hustles. Strong. Physical, Can guard 3-4 positions.
Unless declining his 8 gets you ability to chase bigger name FAs, or keeps us under apron, why would you decline? What do we gain other than roster spot? Serious question. I'm not really paying attention to our cap situation.
You always talk about retaining talent. At worst he's a better Jeffries and salary to match in trades.we need wing defenders with Cody gone.

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Yeah probably doesn't do much for us with Nurkic and a top 5 draft pick salary on the books. Paying 33 million to Green and Nurkic pretty much zapped our cap space, just don't love the idea of paying a Vet Min quality player like Okogie 7.5 million but as mentioned it probably doesn't matter much with the way we are operating currently.

Okogie now shooting 38% from field, 31% from 3, 43% from 2 in a Hornets uni. Which includes his hot start.

[fatlever]

its a small sample, 12 games... need more data... but his advanced stats for us are very good. best net rtg of any rotation players. best on/off numbers. 94% dpm, best on team, 71% epm, 5th on team.
would i sign him with cap space fpr 8 mil? no. but would happily have this dude as an option at end of bench next year, yes. hell, i'd take okogie over green.

[JMAC3]

its a small sample, 12 games... need more data... but his advanced stats for us are very good. best net rtg of any rotation players. best on/off numbers. 94% dpm, best on team, 71% epm, 5th on team.
would i sign him with cap space fpr 8 mil? no. but would happily have this dude as an option at end of bench next year, yes. hell, i'd take okogie over green.

We have enough data that most teams he has been on he is good for 15-16 mins per game and is a career 30% three point shooter. I would say he is pretty overrated on our board due to him having a few good games when he first got here. He is still better than half the end of the roster guys we have floating around, so yeah fine to keep him for a year.

Okogie, Moussa, Tre Mann are all real NBA players, but all 3 are currently overrated by our board.

[fatlever]

and who is underrated?

[JMAC3]

and who is underrated?

By who? Our board? or league wide?

I mean we are 19-59, can make the case we really don't have any talent flying under the radar some massing underrated player.

[fatlever]

Underrated by our board

If you believe that we, as a board, over rate the players that you mention, then I would assume you feel the board under rates certains guy as well.

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[JMAC3]

Underrated by our board

If you believe that we, as a board, over rate the players that you mention, then I would assume you feel the board under rates certains guy as well.

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I mean yeah we probably underrate our actual good players like LaMelo, Miller, Mark, Miles etc...

I mean there are people on here who legit think Moussa Diabate is a better basketball player than Mark Williams. You know Mark Williams who was traded for a first, swap and rookie vs the guy who just signed for a Vet min contract for the next 3 years.

Half LaMelo thread is ready to trade him for Brandon Podziemsky or Bub Carrington or some other rando.

Last year people wanted to trade Miles Bridges for Nas Little and 2 2nd round picks.

Brandon Miller is a future max NBA contract guy who 20% of the board are convinced is never getting any better.

... vs Josh Okogie who is entering year 8 of his career averaging 6ppg on 47% efg. Am I not allowed to warn people maybe this guy isn't someone that matters?

[Diop]

I don't know about over rated, I thought hes been rated as worthy of being on a roster compared to our other g league guys.

So good enough bench guy, not overly exciting, but better than some of the others we've been trotted out

[Rich4114]

the Nurkic trade pushed us out of any realistic cap space scenarios. so yeah Okogie's getting that team option accepted

This is where I'm at. Okogie is definitely not a good shooter or 3pt shooter, his hot start was always mickey. However, he's $7.5m expiring and offers the things we need like wing defense, hustle, rebounding, etc. He is much more productive on both ends than Josh Green even if he is a brick from 3. So unless we need that cap space for something else, it makes sense to keep him as an expiring contract. We'd have him and Nurk coming off the book the following summer or be able to use them as cap relief for another team looking to move off a $30m contract. It just offers us a lot of flexibility.

If we didn't have Nurk, then yeah I think it would make sense to think about declining his salary for next year and using cap space in free agency.

I'm curious if he can be used in a S&T where the team taking him can waive him without being on the hook for his salary. That could also make him valuable if we wanted to go after someone like a Naz Reid for example.

[luciano-davidwesley]

I just can't justify paying this guy $8m next year for being a vet min replacement level player - unless there is some master plan to use him for matching salary for something worthwhile. Discussed and worked out ahead of time.

[HornetJail]

I just can't justify paying this guy $8m next year for being a vet min replacement level player - unless there is some master plan to use him for matching salary for something worthwhile. Discussed and worked out ahead of time.

i keep him as Josh Green's replacement, and just force Josh into any possible trade

the skillset is needed, we just don't need a thousand of them.

[luciano-davidwesley]

I just can't justify paying this guy $8m next year for being a vet min replacement level player - unless there is some master plan to use him for matching salary for something worthwhile. Discussed and worked out ahead of time.

i keep him as Josh Green's replacement, and just force Josh into any possible trade

the skillset is needed, we just don't need a thousand of them.

I hear you. But we're going to have to give up something positive value to get off of Green, whereas we can let go of Okogie for free.

[HornetJail]

I just can't justify paying this guy $8m next year for being a vet min replacement level player - unless there is some master plan to use him for matching salary for something worthwhile. Discussed and worked out ahead of time.

i keep him as Josh Green's replacement, and just force Josh into any possible trade

the skillset is needed, we just don't need a thousand of them.

I hear you. But we're going to have to give up something positive value to get off of Green, whereas we can let go of Okogie for free.

i'd part with a 2nd if we have to, Okogie is comfortably the better player and cheaper.

Also Okogie is likely worth a 2nd on his own. the teams that have had him liked him.

[MasterIchiro]

the Nurkic trade pushed us out of any realistic cap space scenarios. so yeah Okogie's getting that team option accepted

If we pick up the option on Okogie we are over the cap so we get the full MLE.

If we decline it, can we even free an equivalent amount of cap space, let alone add a bench player who can change the game defensively and with his outrageous hustle/motor?

It's just basic math that Okogie will be here.

He does everything Josh Green can do but he's more aggressive and asserts himself slashing to the rim. Green is content hanging out on the perimeter most of the time shooting wide open 3's which anyone can do. And you can't carry a starter who offers zero shot creation and zero playmaking. And Green makes twice as much.

If we want to move money, it's Green we must launch in a cannon.

[GiggitySmalls]

I like Josh going into next year. Hes one of the few guys outside of Melo, Miller, Bridges and Williams who are actual NBA talent players. With alot of the dudes who passed through the lineup this year i hope we keep him.

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