The Tre Johnson Thread

[JMAC3]

- Can get into show-off mode with iso and dribble-heavy possessions. Doesn't always make the right play

Why is it that when Tre does this its just part of his profile but when Ace Bailey does this its part of his personality and he's labeled as immature and uncoachable?

One of them had Dylan Harper and a pretty good coach in Steve Pikiell and the other had Rodney Terry and Arthur Kaluma and little else.

Is Steve Pikiell supposed to be a good coach here? He is 71–105 in Big Ten conference games.
Texas had 5 top 75 recruits on the roster.
Outside of Harper/Ace Rutgers had 0 top 100 recruits.

[NataFresh]

Why is it that when Tre does this its just part of his profile but when Ace Bailey does this its part of his personality and he's labeled as immature and uncoachable?

One of them had Dylan Harper and a pretty good coach in Steve Pikiell and the other had Rodney Terry and Arthur Kaluma and little else.

Is Steve Pikiell supposed to be a good coach here? He is 71–105 in Big Ten conference games.
Texas had 5 top 75 recruits on the roster.
Outside of Harper/Ace Rutgers had 0 top 100 recruits.

71 -105 at RUTGERS, a bottom 5 NIL situation outside of the time they pulled Harper and Bailey. There's also the point that Steve Pikiell is a vastly superior coach than Rodney Terry has ever been.

Like that recruiting class you bring up (most of which were upperclassmen transfers btw), the transfers all had career lows under Terry last season.

I'm trying to be nice here, but you're trying to question my credibility by pulling numbers without the context behind them. If you want to say Rutgers was not a good situation, that's fine. But to say that Texas was a better situation built for Tre, I'm convinced you didn't watch the games.

[JMAC3]

One of them had Dylan Harper and a pretty good coach in Steve Pikiell and the other had Rodney Terry and Arthur Kaluma and little else.

Is Steve Pikiell supposed to be a good coach here? He is 71–105 in Big Ten conference games.
Texas had 5 top 75 recruits on the roster.
Outside of Harper/Ace Rutgers had 0 top 100 recruits.

71 -105 at RUTGERS, a bottom 5 NIL situation outside of the time they pulled Harper and Bailey. There's also the point that Steve Pikiell is a vastly superior coach than Rodney Terry has ever been.

Like that recruiting class you bring up (most of which were upperclassmen transfers btw), the transfers all had career lows under Terry last season.

I'm trying to be nice here, but you're trying to question my credibility by pulling numbers without the context behind them. If you want to say Rutgers was not a good situation, that's fine. But to say that Texas was a better situation built for Tre, I'm convinced you didn't watch the games.

I am questioning your credibility? Give me a break lol.

I am an Indiana basketball fan- you don't think I understand big ten basketball? Rutgers was terrible, they didn't make the tourney- terrible coach- terrible roster after Ace and Harper- honestly, they should be embarrassed that was the team they put on the floor this year in the transfer era. Ace Bailey led the country in Iso possessions because the team was so bad that was their best option to score.

I think both were terrible situations and not going to say Rodney Terry is awesome, but he just led Texas to three straight NCAA tourneys including an elite 8... Tramon Mark, Arthur Kaluma and Jordan Pope are at least real college players who have been good at other big time programs. They would have easily been Rutgers best players after Ace and Dylan.

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A shooter can spot another shooter. Terrence does watch a s*** ton of college hoops. So I respect his opinions.

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[amcoolio]

I think he has Devin Booker with better shooting potential. I think we should take him 4, if Ace continues to be an ass this week.

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[Bassman]

So….I’m watching a lot more Tre Johnson tape, reading analysts takes, trying to see what he brings to the table. Weaknesses are very real. His defense is pretty bad. He gets lost on switches, beaten on screens, misses picking up cutters, etc. He’s not lazy like Queen, but does appear to take some plays off. He does show ability to defend and decent guarding comes in spurts, so the potential is there. But this past college season he was beaten many times by his opponents. Knipple is a better defender, even with his athletic challenges. Perhaps Tre can develop in this area. He has the athletic ability, so there is hope.

On offense he has a lot of strengths, with a couple of weak areas. Many call him the best shooter in the draft, and his tape makes a strong case. He’s got great form, good high release, can shoot from all spots on the floor. Tre is a good scorer also, with drives to the basket and decent finishing. He makes some tough shots! Has a good motor. I can see him easily slotting in at our 2 next to Melo and Miller, helping to form a deadly scoring trio. His handle is pretty good also. Tre is a good distributor, better than I had realized. Not a combo guard by any means, but the ball shouldn’t get stuck in his hands once he gets up to NBA speed. Weak areas? He doesn’t have a great first step, so he struggles at times trying to beat his man on iso drives. This also leads to Tre taking bad shots, tough forced shots, and a snowballing effect that creates a bad game overall. Look at his game logs. Tre has some big nights, and then has some absolute stinkers. He will need to find better discipline, leading to consistent efficiency, at the next level.

Tre Johnson is a much better offensive player than VJ or Ace. His shooting is top notch in this class, equal to or better than Kon or any other prospect. I just hope the Hornets have been able to have him come in for a workout and interview. I’d really want to gauge where his head is at, his heart, and how committed he is to improving all areas of his game. By all accounts he is a hard worker and has some of that alpha dog in him. I’d rather take Tre at 4 than trade back.

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So Jimmy Butler wouldn’t be scowling at him saying, “pass the ball, Buddy”

[Bassman]

So Jimmy Butler wouldn’t be scowling at him saying, “pass the ball, Buddy”

Hopefully not, but that’s really one of the questions teams have to figure out. Does anybody know if the Hornets have had a workout with Tre? Supposedly VJ is scheduled for one this week.

[cornchip]

So….I’m watching a lot more Tre Johnson tape, reading analysts takes, trying to see what he brings to the table. Weaknesses are very real. His defense is pretty bad. He gets lost on switches, beaten on screens, misses picking up cutters, etc. He’s not lazy like Queen, but does appear to take some plays off. He does show ability to defend and decent guarding comes in spurts, so the potential is there. But this past college season he was beaten many times by his opponents. Knipple is a better defender, even with his athletic challenges. Perhaps Tre can develop in this area. He has the athletic ability, so there is hope.

Watched his last college game (vs Xavier) on youtube last night. He's just such an easy, natural scorer. I think his driving game will pick up once he adds strength and gets used to NBA length. His ability to catch and shoot and off the dribble already helps him attack closeouts and generate some blow-bys.

But yeah, his defense needs to be completely reworked from the ground up on all levels. He's not particularly twitchy or quick so he's one of those guys who need to be in a proper stance almost all the time. He just kinda floats too much and it seems like he doesn't even know where and when to be active.

Reading up on him he seems to be an extremely hard worker, so there is hope. I like his frame and length so he has some tools. He was reasonably engaged on defense most times, sometimes heavily engaged from what I saw.

In any case, he's my pick at 4 if VJ is gone. Independent of what happens with Melo, Tre and Miller can provide some real scoring and potential playmaking from the perimeter.

[wilson115]

Ngl except maybe VJ's defense Tre's shooting is the one skill from any prospect I'm not losing any sleep over. Worth #4 for that alone.

[fatlever]

I would argue that tre's shooting is more actually more bankable than vjs defense, even.



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[MPM]

I would be perfectly happy with grabbing Tre at 4 and calling it a day.

[GiggitySmalls]

I've been back and forth I wanted Edgecombe, but he's gonna be gone. Tre would be the absolute correct pick. So much so, I would actually be shocked if we picked him and not Maluach, and I absolutely elated if we did. he should be the guy we lock on to. from here till draft day he's the only clear cut choice for me at this point.

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[KingCat]

Word is he's a super hard worker and he has an esthetically pleasing game. Work outs definitely favor him.

Hoping for a stressless night of just walking away with him at 4

[JustBuzzin]

If he can shoot you know the Hornets are going to seriously consider him especially with the 3pt system we run.

My only question is who's gonna play defense if we got Melo/Tre/Miller on the court.

[Diop]

I've had similar thoughts, but if they think him best, take him. Try to improve the defence of all 3, otherwise make changes. Miller always seemed keen to defend.

I still don't really understand what lamelo wants to do.

[MasterIchiro]

Definitely suffers from the same putdowns as Devin Booker (can't defend) did at Kentucky. Cho took Frank Kaminsky - the straw that broke the camel's back in the Cho/MKG nightmare drafting era. Biz over Klay. Vonleh over LaVine.

We are still reeling from it.

Don't worry about defense in the top-4.

My God, bank offense and worry about the defense later.

LaMelo - Tre - Miller is a spacing dream, and really fits Lee's philosophy.

I prefer to fortify the defense at the bigger positions anyways.

We can't expect the Hornets to transform into a balanced roster overnight.

If they opt for offense, address 4 and 5 using 7 tradeable 1st round picks. 2 positions. 7 first round picks. 12 second round picks.

Panic!

[MPM]

Definitely suffers from the same putdowns as Devin Booker (can't defend) did at Kentucky. Cho took Frank Kaminsky - the straw that broke the camel's back in the Cho/MKG nightmare drafting era. Biz over Klay. Vonleh over LaVine.

We are still reeling from it.

Don't worry about defense in the top-4.

My God, bank offense and worry about the defense later.

LaMelo - Tre - Miller is a spacing dream, and really fits Lee's philosophy.

I prefer to fortify the defense at the bigger positions anyways.

We can't expect the Hornets to transform into a balanced roster overnight.

If they opt for offense, address 4 and 5 using 7 tradeable 1st round picks. 2 positions. 7 first round picks. 12 second round picks.

Panic!

I've been leaning Ace due to the crazy high ceiling and evident defensive potential (still do lean Ace slightly), but the shenanigans are starting to unsettle and between our 'big three' Tre is the only one with an unquestionably elite, right-now, easily definable, translatable skill. You put him on the court and he will score. We would know that we're at the very least getting that and he has the physical tools (as opposed to certain somebodies outside of our big three) to work with for developing on the other side of the ball.