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Re: Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1 

Post#1201 » by bricking_2016 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:00 am

yosemiteben wrote:One thing Lin needs to consider is that even if he's a starter next season, if he's going somewhere with copious amounts of cap space he could get pushed to the bench for a marquee 2017 PG FA.

2017 FA PGs - Steph, Westbrook, CP3, Lowry, Schroeder, Rose, Teague, Holiday, Hill, Livingston


If Lin gets a starting role and he gets paid $10 million+, and he loses his starting role the season after, that's a lot of money wasted on a backup player. Any team that signs him probably isn't thinking strongly of replacing Lin with another starting PG the year after signing Lin. You don't build a championship team by paying a player a lot of money to start for one year, knowing that you want to pay even more for somebody else to start in front of him the year after. Championship teams are built by allocating money efficiently and intelligently.
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Post#1202 » by ChokeFasncists » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:22 am

Hopefully Lin finds his Malone/Stat. Then he won't be pushed to the bench by an FA for sure.

Ultimately, it's up to him to play well in this opportunity that comes once in a lifetime. Hey, Jeremy, you only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow!
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Post#1203 » by Lorenzomax7 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:24 am

yosemiteben wrote:One thing Lin needs to consider is that even if he's a starter next season, if he's going somewhere with copious amounts of cap space he could get pushed to the bench for a marquee 2017 PG FA.

2017 FA PGs - Steph, Westbrook, CP3, Lowry, Schroeder, Rose, Teague, Holiday, Hill, Livingston

doesn't matter ...Lin is or will be better than half of them.
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Post#1204 » by ChokeFasncists » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:24 am

PG13 wrote:
Lorenzomax7 wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:Someone heard from ESPN Radio that Lin's asking for 16 mil now, wow!

source?


I wonder if it's Nate Duncan's podcast where they did a mock FA thing. Lin was put into a bidding war - the Kings won at 16 mil.

:lol: :dontknow:
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Post#1205 » by Lorenzomax7 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:27 am

Look... Lin was averaging 13.4 pts and 6.1 ast alongside the most ball-dominant guard in the L, James Harden. Lin could easily have been a 17/8 guard in 2012/13. Lin just needs that role and those minutes. He wouldn't be another Darren Collison.
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Post#1206 » by Lorenzomax7 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:29 am

ChokeFasncists wrote:
PG13 wrote:
Lorenzomax7 wrote:source?


I wonder if it's Nate Duncan's podcast where they did a mock FA thing. Lin was put into a bidding war - the Kings won at 16 mil.

:lol: :dontknow:

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: so you are saying the source is dumb?
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Post#1207 » by bws94 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:28 pm

Starter/farter, bench/wrench, I feel Lin needs to get a role where he feels his skills are utilized so he doesn't waste them. Yeah, mostly that's through starting, but it doesn't have to be. Only pertinent thing is does he feel this can be done in Charlotte with others looked on to score or facilitate more? I think the answer is, he doesn't see that. And it would be tough for Charlotte to give him that expanded role at the money others will likely offer him. So unfortunately, one of the major contributors (and I don't want to hear about stats, Lin was a major contributor on last year's team) will need to be replaced. It's going to be hard to find the same combo of qualities Lin gave the Hornets, but, maybe other qualities can be added to the mix that Lin doesn't have (like 3 point shooting or more size or something along those lines).

That said, if other teams offer the role Lin has and he doesn't care for teams offering a starter role, he may just come back to the Hornets for a year or two. But I don't think that's likely at this time. Not a prediction, just a feeling.
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Post#1208 » by rallydurham » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:48 pm

I think he takes a starter role somewhere. I mean this is really his last opportunity to be one, I don't think he's gonna pass that up for anything.

He wants to be a global icon. You aren't going to maintain that image by riding the pine in houston.

One last hurrah. I'm rooting for him but i don't see it happening in terms of him succeeding as a starting pg. His shot is too inaccurate and his ballhandling is subpar.

Hes quick and he can go north /south with the best of them and get to the line. Good size.

But the skill level is just lacking and that's not something you can just develop over night
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Post#1209 » by reelsgm » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:03 pm

bws94 wrote:Starter/farter, bench/wrench, I feel Lin needs to get a role where he feels his skills are utilized so he doesn't waste them. Yeah, mostly that's through starting, but it doesn't have to be. Only pertinent thing is does he feel this can be done in Charlotte with others looked on to score or facilitate more? I think the answer is, he doesn't see that. And it would be tough for Charlotte to give him that expanded role at the money others will likely offer him. So unfortunately, one of the major contributors (and I don't want to hear about stats, Lin was a major contributor on last year's team) will need to be replaced. It's going to be hard to find the same combo of qualities Lin gave the Hornets, but, maybe other qualities can be added to the mix that Lin doesn't have (like 3 point shooting or more size or something along those lines).

That said, if other teams offer the role Lin has and he doesn't care for teams offering a starter role, he may just come back to the Hornets for a year or two. But I don't think that's likely at this time. Not a prediction, just a feeling.


Farter/wrench? Fun to dismiss the seriousness but I'll bet Lin is treating the selection of Starter vs. Bench very seriously.

Aside from the obvious multitude of advantages that come with starting, there is the fact that starters could over the course of a career make 1000s of percent more in earnings than bench players and this will be the case again after salaries plateau.

Lin meets with 3 possibly up to 6 teams, the ones offering a starting role are most likely who he talks with at midnight EST. Bench offers pushed back to when available.
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Post#1210 » by steady » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:29 pm

Lin is capable of starting in this League. He had the third highest win share on the Rockets in year they made playoffs in his first full year as a starter. He can start.

Myi question is, does he want to be a 15-20 starter, when he could be a 1-5 6th man who could possibly impact a team in an even bigger way.

Walking away from Charlotte will not be easy, and it's a big decision for him.
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Post#1211 » by TinmanZBoy » Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:38 pm

some of you are becoming ridiculous... any NBA player, given chances, wants to be a starter... they also should think they are capable of starting... Lin is still at his prime, not some 33+ years old vets...
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Post#1212 » by Flip Murray » Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:53 pm

steady wrote:Lin is capable of starting in this League. He had the third highest win share on the Rockets in year they made playoffs in his first full year as a starter. He can start.

Myi question is, does he want to be a 15-20 starter, when he could be a 1-5 6th man who could possibly impact a team in an even bigger way.

Walking away from Charlotte will not be easy, and it's a big decision for him.


I agree, this is the big question. Lin can be a starting point guard in the NBA in my opinion and I think that's going to be a big factor in his decision, but hopefully for us not the only factor.
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Post#1213 » by Flip Murray » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:01 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:some of you are becoming ridiculous... any NBA player, given chances, wants to be a starter... they also should think they are capable of starting... Lin is still at his prime, not some 33+ years old vets...


I don't necessarily think its true that all NBA players want to be starters but I agree with the sentiment for the most part. This is why i've pretty much said all along I won't fault Lin at all if he wants to go to another team and be a starter. I also won't fault him for taking more money.

And going somewhere else doesn't mean you don't value winning if you have the confidence that you can go to another team, make an impact and win games.

So I don't really see his decision as winning vs. starting (not getting into the hypothetical argument over whether he will actually win on his new hypothetical team at this time) . I see it more as about how much he values his situation in Charlotte and what kind of impact he thinks he can make here. If he doesn't think he is maximizing his potential and wants an opportunity to do that in a situation he is comfortable with then he should go if another offer comes.

Everything in this post is basically truism but I don't think objective winning vs. not-winning is a valuable discussion in the hypothetical.
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Post#1214 » by euphorbus » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:41 pm

Flip Murray wrote: If he doesn't think he is maximizing his potential and wants an opportunity to do that in a situation he is comfortable with then he should go if another offer comes.


Good point, although in my opinion, Lin actually improved as the season went on, which speaks to the quality of coaching here, as opposed to his previous two stops. Those aimless probes towards the basket, going around in circles, tended to diminish in the course of the season. So if he wants to maximize his potential, the quality of coaching has to enter into the equation. He is a smart guy and I am sure has a lot of opinions concerning coaches around the league.
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Post#1215 » by hood30 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:02 pm

steady wrote:Lin is capable of starting in this League. He had the third highest win share on the Rockets in year they made playoffs in his first full year as a starter. He can start.

Myi question is, does he want to be a 15-20 starter, when he could be a 1-5 6th man who could possibly impact a team in an even bigger way.

Walking away from Charlotte will not be easy, and it's a big decision for him.


I think the decision of Lin leaving is a bit easier since the return of MKG means less minutes for Lin.

Lin was lucky he was backing up guys like PJ Hairston and even Lee who are both a bit limited....Both of these guys aren't really 30mpg starters because of their limitation...So backing up Hairston and Lee allowed him to gabble up more minutes.

On the other hand, an Healthy MKG is a 32-35 mpg starter...On top of that, Clifford plays his starters a lot of minutes....Kemba Walker played closed to 36mpg eventhough Clifford had access to Lin who is viewed as a good back-up PG.

If Lin minutes will be less than last year, I think it becomes an easier decision for Lin to leave..specially with Bellineri on the bench which means less time for Lin at SG, whee he got 70% of his minutes since Kemba plays a lot of minutes at PG.
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Post#1216 » by bws94 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:09 pm

reelsgm wrote:
bws94 wrote:Starter/farter, bench/wrench, I feel Lin needs to get a role where he feels his skills are utilized so he doesn't waste them. Yeah, mostly that's through starting, but it doesn't have to be. Only pertinent thing is does he feel this can be done in Charlotte with others looked on to score or facilitate more? I think the answer is, he doesn't see that. And it would be tough for Charlotte to give him that expanded role at the money others will likely offer him. So unfortunately, one of the major contributors (and I don't want to hear about stats, Lin was a major contributor on last year's team) will need to be replaced. It's going to be hard to find the same combo of qualities Lin gave the Hornets, but, maybe other qualities can be added to the mix that Lin doesn't have (like 3 point shooting or more size or something along those lines).

That said, if other teams offer the role Lin has and he doesn't care for teams offering a starter role, he may just come back to the Hornets for a year or two. But I don't think that's likely at this time. Not a prediction, just a feeling.


Farter/wrench? Fun to dismiss the seriousness but I'll bet Lin is treating the selection of Starter vs. Bench very seriously.

Aside from the obvious multitude of advantages that come with starting, there is the fact that starters could over the course of a career make 1000s of percent more in earnings than bench players and this will be the case again after salaries plateau.

Lin meets with 3 possibly up to 6 teams, the ones offering a starting role are most likely who he talks with at midnight EST. Bench offers pushed back to when available.


When it comes to Lin and money, it almost doesn't matter because of LIn's status worldwide and the money he makes in endorsements.

It may just boil down to is Lin happier winning and going to the playoffs and seeing how far his team can go, or if he's offered a starting position for a more rebuilding team or one that at least had a not great record last season.

Anyway, it's all about if this becomes a Lin appreciation thread or not, and for those on the board, how to try to fill the functions Lin served for the team. You'll find someone else to cover so well for Kemba or Batum, close games when needed, be that 3rd facilitator and responsible for one of the best benches leader Lin is, be the late-game OT scorer when needed, block shots at the guard position, draw fouls with regularity helping to get the opposing team into the penalty, play D in two positions and hustle and have the energy that Lin brought to the team. He did a lot of good stuff for the Hornets, at times, was the 2nd or 3rd best player on the floor for the team IMO. Overall, I think he was one of the team's top 5 players.
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Post#1217 » by bws94 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:11 pm

steady wrote:Lin is capable of starting in this League. He had the third highest win share on the Rockets in year they made playoffs in his first full year as a starter. He can start.

Myi question is, does he want to be a 15-20 starter, when he could be a 1-5 6th man who could possibly impact a team in an even bigger way.

Walking away from Charlotte will not be easy, and it's a big decision for him.


One of the top 6th men yes, but Lin mentioned liking the rhythm of starting better. It's his preference judging what I've heard from him.

He likes to close. It's more up in the air as a 6th man if he gets the opportunities to close or not.

But you make a good point. The problem with Charlotte is the role. Lin wants a bigger role, and I don't know if Charlotte can give him a much bigger role than last season.
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Post#1218 » by reelsgm » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:18 pm

bws94 wrote:Anyway, it's all about if this becomes a Lin appreciation thread


What's with the constant talk about Lin appreciation thread? Lin's not gone yet and even if he announces a deal elsewhere he has until July 7 to sign on the dotted line.

That's plenty of time for Marv to show up at Lin's house (assuming Marv re-signs) and get him drunk and convince him that he has no chance to make his new team a winner as a starter and that he should remain a bench scrub playing 20 minutes behind MKG. Chances are a six pack will do it since Lin probably has never had a drink of alcohol in his life, come to think of it not even sure whether Marv is a teetotaler either.
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Post#1219 » by spaceballer » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:49 pm

PG13 wrote:
spaceballer wrote:
PG13 wrote:I don't see teams knocking on Lin's door at midnight. Maybe FaceTime?


Midnight Eastern is actually 9pm in Palo Alto, California.


I didn't really mean the time. I just don't think he's so important that teams will go meet him in person the minute free agency starts.


I don't know if it'll be midnight, but here's another tweet that says they're going to go meet him on the first day.

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Several teams are expected to meet with FA guard Jeremy Lin on July 1.

https://twitter.com/calvinwatkins/status/748265889431195648
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Post#1220 » by rallydurham » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:03 pm

I doubt Lin can drink an entire 6 pack. He's chinese/taiwanese blood which means he probably produces a ton of ADH and gets drunk off 1-2 drinks.

Their bodies don't produce enough ALDH 2 (acetaldehyde dehydrogenase 2). So the ADH doesn't metabolize into acetic acid and water and just builds up until you turn bright red and get sick.


Can we get the Asian Lin fanbase to weigh in on this and if jeremy suffers from this genetic condition?


On second thought though if you look at the guys he lists as good friends in the nba many of them are big drinkers

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