2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft - ESAL/Gatz wins

[Braggins]

I just don't think ball dominant PGs like Stockton, Kidd, and Paul will work well with dominant wings like MJ, Kobe, and Wade. That's it.

I didn't think it would be as much of a problem with Chris Paul since Diop has the rookie version, but I also just realized that he shot sub 30% from deep his rookie year, which is certainly an issue.

[fatlever]

has everyone that we were expecting to vote already voted?

[BatumtheGlue]

I just don't think ball dominant PGs like Stockton, Kidd, and Paul will work well with dominant wings like MJ, Kobe, and Wade. That's it.

I didn't think it would be as much of a problem with Chris Paul since Diop has the rookie version, but I also just realized that he shot sub 30% from deep his rookie year, which is certainly an issue.

Yeah, that's the reason why. Maybe the rookie version of Chris Paul would deter to Wade but you couldn't expect a rookie version of Chris Paul to be a spot up shooter from the deep.

[BatumtheGlue]

Still waiting for Lamar, I guess.

[yosemiteben]

Just pointing out that I effected the final standings with my vote when I was in the running for a higher finish. A man of lesser integrity might have gamed the results...

[amcoolio]

Not gonna lie, Coolio's team was dead last in my rankings. Only one of my top three teams made the final top three. I didn't think my rankings would be that far off from the final vote.

Why do you think my team is the worst? Just wondering

Just pointing out that I effected the final standings with my vote when I was in the running for a higher finish. A man of lesser integrity might have gamed the results...

I haven't finished mine yet, but ESAL and Fatlever are in the top 4, so one of them will likely win this voting round

[amcoolio]

I just don't think ball dominant PGs like Stockton, Kidd, and Paul will work well with dominant wings like MJ, Kobe, and Wade. That's it.

All three can play off the ball just fine, as can MJ, Kobe, and Wade. With my team, Stockton and Kobe are the only handlers in the lineup, Kobe couldn't do it all by himself. Stockton is one of the best passers of all time! He nearly averaged 16 assists a game in my season, I'm sure he can move the ball effectively

[Diop]

I just don't think ball dominant PGs like Stockton, Kidd, and Paul will work well with dominant wings like MJ, Kobe, and Wade. That's it.

I think if the situation needed it they would make it work. Like dream teams etc.

They're all excellent defenders too.

[Braggins]

Not gonna lie, Coolio's team was dead last in my rankings. Only one of my top three teams made the final top three. I didn't think my rankings would be that far off from the final vote.

Why do you think my team is the worst? Just wondering

Not a Kobe fan and I think Duncan might be miserable playing with him. I think Stockton would struggle a bit defending a lot of the other PGs and McHale could potentially be a pretty big liability on D. I thought your bench seemed a bit week also.

I don't think any of your starters are top three at the positions they are playing and rookie Duncan, Mchale, Klay, and Stockton are probably in my bottom five. I'd probably take every player starting at PF over Mchale.

Edit: Kobe actually is my third ranked player at SF and Fats also schooled me on McHale. Maybe I underrated your team. It is difficult comparing teams that are all stacked. I hate Kobe though lol.

[BatumtheGlue]

I just don't think ball dominant PGs like Stockton, Kidd, and Paul will work well with dominant wings like MJ, Kobe, and Wade. That's it.

All three can play off the ball just fine, as can MJ, Kobe, and Wade. With my team, Stockton and Kobe are the only handlers in the lineup, Kobe couldn't do it all by himself. Stockton is one of the best passers of all time! He nearly averaged 16 assists a game in my season, I'm sure he can move the ball effectively

Any example of succesful team lead by a ball dominant PG and a ball dominant wing?

I just don't think ball dominant PGs like Stockton, Kidd, and Paul will work well with dominant wings like MJ, Kobe, and Wade. That's it.

I think if the situation needed it they would make it work. Like dream teams etc.

They're all excellent defenders too.

Yes they are excellent defenders, even the rookie version of Chris Paul. Dream teams always faced lesser team... I won't use them as the comparation.

[fatlever]

McHale could potentially be a pretty big liability on D.I'd probably take every player starting at PF over Mchale.

WHAT!?!?

I think you are being unfair to McHale. He made the All Defensive 1st or 2nd team six times in his career. He would most definitely not be a defensive liability. He was able to defend SF, PF and C at very high levels.

[Braggins]

McHale could potentially be a pretty big liability on D.I'd probably take every player starting at PF over Mchale.

WHAT!?!?

I think you are being unfair to McHale. He made the All Defensive 1st or 2nd team six times in his career. He would most definitely not be a defensive liability. He was able to defend SF, PF and C at very high levels.

Maybe, but he always seemed like kind of a stiff when I've seen him play. I have a hard time imagining him guarding Lebron and a lot of the SF's when teams go small. Seems like he could be exploited in this league with modern rules. Maybe I've haven't seen enough of him, though.

[Diop]

We can or can't vote for ourselves? First page I thought said can't. Your post says can. I would assume it's a typo.

David Robinson wants to know what he's done to be forced to play with Rodman again?

Can you please trade him for Will Perdue again.

But I have all three, does this mean I win?

If only you had Tim Duncan you could release the triple towers again.

I never saw when they did this, how the heck did San Antonio get away with Duncan at Sf during the years of illegal D

[Diop]

Still waiting for Lamar, I guess.

It's his birthday, he's probably happily getting drunk somewhere

[Braggins]

Here are my personal rankings for each starter at the position they start at. I'm taking into consideration the season as well as how much value I think they would have in a league full of super teams and with modern rules. There were a few old timers I probably don't know enough about to rank properly (Cowens and Mcginnis especially), but I did my best. I expect a fair amount of disagreement, especially with a few specific players ranks.

Point Guard
1 - Magic Johnson
2 - Gary Payton
2 - Steve Nash
4 - Isiah Thomas
5 - Steph Curry
6- John Stockton
7 - Jason Kidd
8 - Fat Lever
9 - Mike Conley
10 - Chris Paul

Shooting Guard
1 - Michael Jordan
2 - Dwyane Wade
3 - Reggie Miller
4 - Paul Pierce
5 - Mitch Richmond
6 - Ray Allen
7 - Grant Hill
8 - Klay Thompson
9 - James Harden
10 - Gordon Hayward

Small Forward
1 - Larry Bird
2 - Kevin Durant
3 - Kobe Bryant
4 - Scottie Pippen
5 - Kawhi Leonard
6 - Vince Carter
7 - Peja Stojakovic
8 - Chris Mullin
9 - Michael Cooper
10 - Shane Battier

Power Forward
1- Lebron James
2 - Kevin Garnett
3 - Dirk Nowitski
4 - Karl Malone
5 - Draymond Green
6 - Shawn Kemp
7 - Kevin McHale
8 - Dennis Rodman
9 - Chris Bosh
10 - George Mcginnis

Center
1 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2 - Hakeem Olajuwon
3 - David Robinson
4 - Moses Malone
5 - Shaquille O'Neal
6 -Tim Duncan
7 - Alonzo Mourning
8 - Dwight Howard
9 - Dave Cowens
10 - Mark Eaton

[Diop]

Is Draymond Green really that good?

[Diop]

Awkward distinction for McGinnis

Of all former ABA and NBA regular season MVPs, George McGinnis (ABA 1974–75) is the only player meeting the five year retirement eligibility criterion not inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame.

[Braggins]

Is Draymond Green really that good?

I'm not even sure. He was one of the most difficult players for me to rank. I think he is generally overrated and he started out lower but I convinced myself to move him up at the last second due to how well he fits the modern style/rules. All the players below him can't shoot 3s and I don't see as viable go to scorers in this league.

There were multiple players I had trouble ranking for similar reasons. Trying to think of all these players in the context of a ten team super league with modern rules is difficult.

I thought it was kind of interesting that I had two of your starters basically last for their position, but the other three were all first or second. Yosemiteben's team is similar and I had you guys as my top two.

[Diop]

I remember liking Shawn Kemp's shooting range when watching him play. I remember one play in the finals where he was pretty much behind the 3pt line but stepped over it to maintain his normal shooting motion. Which can be considered a dumb move, but I liked that he didn't worry about where he was standing, just caught it and shot it.

In regards to Green, I guess its all about fit and role. Replace Kemp with Green in that Seattle team and I doubt they have the best record in the league in 93/94.

[Diop]

Another Diop ramble. These things tend to bring it out of me.

I remember watching Karl Malone in the early 90's and not being that impressed. He didn't appear to be a guy you could toss the ball to and expect 2 points. I always remember thinking Kemp was the better Pf as he seemed a better option in the post, while Malone needed Stockton to score.

I remember friends thinking I was crazy for saying it.

Doesn't matter now, Tim Duncan is the clear GOAT Pf for me.