Fake Trade Thread #5

[SWedd523]

Gordon and Terry for Wiggins and Cp3.

We'll probably buyout CP3, but Wiggins gives us a legitimately good defender.

From Diaw to Batum to Gordo to Wiggins.

I'm kind of getting tired of the aloof, questionable effort wings.

EDIT: Just checked. Wiggins is averaging a career low 12.8ppg on truly abysmal 50/27/59 splits. Worst DRtg and ORtg of any of their main rotation guys and a dreadful 8.8 PER and -0.6 VORP.

That's exactly the type of guy we'd trade for.

[JDR720]

Yeah, there is a risk that Wiggins stops trying when he gets here. But I view that trade as basically being Rozier for Wiggins. Wiggins is a better fit since he has size and can defend, so I think it'd be worth the risk.

[JMAC3]

Davion Mitchell is a guy that at this point I would kick the tires on.
Can't imagine Sac has a huge price tag on him.

[Liver_Pooty]

Wiggins is having the worst season of his career and came into camp way out of shape. I wouldn't even take him for free.

[fatlever]

Davion Mitchell is a guy that at this point I would kick the tires on.
Can't imagine Sac has a huge price tag on him.

Yes!

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[HornetJail]

Davion Mitchell is a guy that at this point I would kick the tires on.
Can't imagine Sac has a huge price tag on him.

he would functionally be DSJ all over again in our offense, but yes I would take him

[Liver_Pooty]

Davion Mitchell has been garbage. I guess I'd take him as a flyer.

[Rich4114]

Davion Mitchell is a guy that at this point I would kick the tires on.
Can't imagine Sac has a huge price tag on him.

His offense has always been bad, but he offers on-ball defense that we could use and can handle the ball. He would be younger DSJ with a chance to blossom into an acceptable offensive player given how young he still is.

[Rich4114]

Gordon and Terry for Wiggins and Cp3.

We'll probably buyout CP3, but Wiggins gives us a legitimately good defender.

I would love to get CP3 here somehow. He fills multiple holes at once. But no thanks on Wiggins. He is surely capable, but has never been a high effort guy who can sustain what he did a few years ago. That was an outlier to a very, very mediocre and over-paid career. He's paid so much because of what he's capable of but he just doesn't do it enough.

[JMAC3]

Davion Mitchell is a guy that at this point I would kick the tires on.
Can't imagine Sac has a huge price tag on him.

he would functionally be DSJ all over again in our offense, but yes I would take him

IF DSj shot 31% from three last year he would have been a no brainer to bring back though. Instead he shot 22% on 140 attempts between us and Portland. Gross.

Give him a chance to start some while LaMelo is out and maybe he finds his confidence and stride here.

[Diop]

I want Micic he is a 29 year old Serbian point guard who OKC are barely using, but can produce when needed.

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he would be a handy stop gap starting point guard and backup for Lamelo. I'm sure if we promised him minutes he would probably asked to be traded. With SGA and Giddey OKC just don't need much extra point guard play.

[JMAC3]

I am all for LaMelo, Mark, Miller being our group of guys we are excited for and ultimately wanting to build around.... but at the same time can we acknowledge that Hayward, Rozier and Miles Bridges are good NBA players, even if not great?

I feel like there is sentiment around here that letting Hayward walk, trading Rozier for a can of beans and a few 2nds and the let Bridges go he should be in jail take would mean we are the worst team in the NBA for a year or 2.

I think we can look at trading 1 of these guys potentially, but we would likely be a worse team with whatever we get back for that player both in the immediate short term and probably at least for 2 years even if the trade was viewed as a win down the line.

Losing all 3 and picking up a pick in the 20s lets say makes us really really really bad.

[fatlever]

trade hayward, keep terry but transition him to 6th man of the year role, re-sign miles, find a poa defender to start next to melo. find another center (one who can shoot 3s would be ideal), draft (point guard, tough defender, 3pt shooter... no combo guards or tall lanky projects)
melo - ? - miller - miles - mark
bench
terry
nick jr
draft pick
pj
free agent, nick/nnaji

[JMAC3]

trade hayward, keep terry but transition him to 6th man of the year role, re-sign miles, find a poa defender to start next to melo. find another center (one who can shoot 3s would be ideal), draft (point guard, tough defender, 3pt shooter... no combo guards or tall lanky projects)
melo - ? - miller - miles - mark
bench
terry
nick jr
draft pick
pj
free agent, nick/nnaji

I think this is a fine plan.

Just a reminder, if the Hornets don't trade Hayward. Nor Miles Bridges. Both walk in FA.

We would have around 25 million in cap space to replace them. Which I will go out on a limb and say we would be worse if that were the plan.

[JMAC3]

Just a reminder, if the Hornets don't trade Hayward. Nor Miles Bridges. Both walk in FA.

We would have around 25 million in cap space to replace them. Which I will go out on a limb and say we would be worse if that were the plan.

Along these same lines. If you trade Hayward right now for someone making his same money ala Jerami Grant/Tyler Herro. You would have zero cap space. Meaning if you chose to let Miles walk at that point then you would receive no additional cap space to sign his replacement or upgrade.

[KingCat]

I am all for LaMelo, Mark, Miller being our group of guys we are excited for and ultimately wanting to build around.... but at the same time can we acknowledge that Hayward, Rozier and Miles Bridges are good NBA players, even if not great?

I feel like there is sentiment around here that letting Hayward walk, trading Rozier for a can of beans and a few 2nds and the let Bridges go he should be in jail take would mean we are the worst team in the NBA for a year or 2.

I think we can look at trading 1 of these guys potentially, but we would likely be a worse team with whatever we get back for that player both in the immediate short term and probably at least for 2 years even if the trade was viewed as a win down the line.

Losing all 3 and picking up a pick in the 20s lets say makes us really really really bad.

From what I understand, won't we need Haywards money he is shedding to resign Miles?

As for Terry, I can't help but feel it is hard to get value for him. Don't get me wrong, he is a good player on a fair contract, but he is also a dime a dozen type player.

SG that put up 20 on decent efficiency is a common archetype in today's game, and it feels that every contender/playoff hopeful already has a guy like that

Miami - Herro
LAL - Russel
New York - Barret/IQ
LAC - like 20 different guys
Cleveland - already have small guards who don't play D


Maybe Philly, Dallas, or Denver might want another shot maker? Idk I'd rather just keep Terry unless he has a fit about eventually being moved to the bench (he'd be an elite 6th man)

[JMAC3]

From what I understand, won't we need Haywards money he is shedding to resign Miles?

No technically we could resign both and we are able to go over the salary cap to do so due to Bird rights.

So we are at 111 or so with the cap at 142. Roughly 30 million in space, but that is before you have a draft pick cap hold. Assume we pick 6-14 and you can file away roughly 5 million of cap space being occupied by that. So call it 25 million in space.

1. If we choose to bring neither back, its 25 million in space.
2. If we sign Miles and not Hayward, that probably eats most of the cap space.
3. If in some world we wanted to resign both we could. Lux Tax is 172, so we have 55-60 million in room. Signing both probably only costs 40-45 million. Although Hayward is likely not to be back.

So I have been living in the most likely scenario is that we let Hayward walk, give Miles 30ish and that is puts us in the same tier of money spent this year. Probably not the best asset management.

The best asset management in my opinion. Is trade Hayward for 1 or 2 guys making 25-35 million this year and under contract next year as well. That way you maintain the salary hold and still are able to resign Bridges with plenty of room under the Lux Tax line.

[Bassman]

The best asset management in my opinion. Is trade Hayward for 1 or 2 guys making 25-35 million this year and under contract next year as well. That way you maintain the salary hold and still are able to resign Bridges with plenty of room under the Lux Tax line.

Yes I’d LOVE TO GET THIS DONE FOR THE RIGHT PLAYERS. But what team has that sort of surplus of good vets who can really contribute and need something more that they think they can get from Hayward? That sort of trade might require a first round pick from us, which I generally don’t want to give up. But seriously would love to hear possible candidates for such a deal. We need some solid vets amongst this group.

Also regarding Rozier; still prefer to trade him BUT also agree that he’s more valuable to keep than getting back salary relief and a bag of nuts.

[MPM]

The best asset management in my opinion. Is trade Hayward for 1 or 2 guys making 25-35 million this year and under contract next year as well. That way you maintain the salary hold and still are able to resign Bridges with plenty of room under the Lux Tax line.

Yes I’d LOVE TO GET THIS DONE FOR THE RIGHT PLAYERS. But what team has that sort of surplus of good vets who can really contribute and need something more that they think they can get from Hayward? That sort of trade might require a first round pick from us, which I generally don’t want to give up. But seriously would love to hear possible candidates for such a deal. We need some solid vets amongst this group.

Also regarding Rozier; still prefer to trade him BUT also agree that he’s more valuable to keep than getting back salary relief and a bag of nuts.

I brought up Hayward/Bouk for Robinson/Martin (Heat) a few weeks back. Martin is expendable with Jacquez playing well, Robinson's contract is blah. Hayward gives them similar production - perfect third wheel - along with a more well rounded game/vet savvy/offseason salary relief. We'd get value for Hayward as Robinson instantly becomes an under-contract top scoring threat off the bench (44% from 3 this year), Martin provides 3/D bench depth. Challenge now is Robinson has been playing well enough of late that the Heat may not see the charm.

[JDR720]

Melo being out is a perfect time to showcase Gordon and Terry.

If we're ever going to trade them, now is the time to do it. Especially Gordon, getting something is better than letting him walk for free.

I'd still be very surprised if we trade either. I don't think we've made any major trades since the Kemba/Rozier deal.

I'd try to keep Miles, regardless of his issues he's way better than anyone we could trade for or sign. But if we aren't, we need to trade him too. Can we offer him a contract mid-season? Trade Gordon and re-sign Miles at 35m per year to fill that salary slot.