Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[13th Man]

Jeremy can't play 47 minutes a game. Tonight was terrific, but this was like a 1 in 50 game for him.

nah he can do it, all the time. just needs find team who is willing to give him shot at it as a key player

Lin fans need to accept that it won't be happening on this team. He's not a starter here unless one of the key players are sick or injured. Tonight's game was a nice confidence and trust booster but let's taper our expectations for this season. Linsanity 2 isn't going to break out here, let's just hope he help take the team as far as possible.

[13th Man]

Also, Lin cannot do this every night. He'd get burned out or injured like he did during Linsanity. Even Batum and Kemba get fatigued when they play multiple 35+ min games. Batum can use his energy more efficiently because of his size and length and even he got burned out.

This is why I've been lobbying for more balanced minutes for awhile. I still think that Batum and Kemba are playing too many minutes in general while either Lin or Lamb would get short-changed, recently it's been Lamb.

[Vae Victus]

Cliff shoulda had Lamb play more in the 2nd half to give Lin and Kemba more time to rest their legs. Robo subs are a recipe for disaster when games drag out into OT.

Edit: Give Lin 35 mins a game, a green light, 1 decent screener, decent shooters, and he can easily avg 20 pts and 9 assists. The question is whether he can maintain his defensive intensity if given offensive freedom to go all out. Ideally i'd rather he play 32 mins avg 17 pt 7 assist while playing top notch defense. A more interesting look is when Kemba is out for whatever reason and Batum is in.... it should prove to be very interesting to see what happens. However Roberts getting extended PT will be ugly.

[bws94]

I'm curious to see what Lin's usage rate was tonight, he plays better the higher his usage rate is. I think the reason why Lin worked with Kemba tonight was because of the absence of Batum. If Lin plays with Kemba AND Batum, his usage rate would be nowhere near it was tonight imo.

The difference was that Lin took Batum's minutes and his shots. Kemba still got his shots in a usual but Lin's 20+ shots was an anomoly. This was a rare night for Lin, he'll probably go back to his 5-10 shots per night when Nic returns.

I think Lin/Kemba/Batum should work some things out in practice because I really think Lin is the closer on this team and the 3 will need to have some plays and chemistry for that to happen. When Lin is with Kemba, they now seemed to have figured out some things to work. Lin and Batum already have good chemistry and usage. I think Lin should up his shot attempts to 12-15 because he's a very good scorer. He enjoys assisting his guys and getting them involved, and that's great, but sometimes he's one of the main guys needing to score on the floor and not only be a playmaker and defense player.

[bws94]

Also, Lin cannot do this every night. He'd get burned out or injured like he did during Linsanity. Even Batum and Kemba get fatigued when they play multiple 35+ min games. Batum can use his energy more efficiently because of his size and length and even he got burned out.

This is why I've been lobbying for more balanced minutes for awhile. I still think that Batum and Kemba are playing too many minutes in general while either Lin or Lamb would get short-changed, recently it's been Lamb.

Lamb has to play more than 15 minutes and he needs to get it going. Lamb should be playing 25 minutes at least. He's underproducing now. Except for the Magic game, Lamb's recent games have been underwhelming.

[lazard]

Also, Lin cannot do this every night. He'd get burned out or injured like he did during Linsanity.

He got burned out during linsanity because he went from zero minutes to 35 minutes. Also, it was during the lockout so he was playing multiple 4 games in 5 nights.

[lin is ok]

that kemba to lin layup was super duper

[lin is ok]

If hornets want linsainty its there waiting, just need the right ingredients.

[bigbob]

If hornets want linsainty its there waiting, just need the right ingredients.

the thing is, I said this before but lin is pretty much a starting level pg. He's not gonna give 35 point games every night, but as a starter and given the keys to the offense, he can probably do 17ppg easy. The hornets got a player like that for $2m contract, so yeah it worked out really well for them. Last year the lakers, it was a terrible team to be on, probably the worst that Lin has been in his entire life. This year, the hornets are a GREAT team. They have multiple starter level players ready to go, Batuum, Kemba, Big Al. This is almost a perfect storm ready to blow. Lin does NOT need to go linsanity every day, just contributing to the team, making the big defensive plays he's had so far, making good offensive plays and scoring reasonably, around 10ppg, is more than enough. He also takes alot of stress off of kemba and batuum, which IMO is his biggest contribution out of everything. As long as the team wins alot of games, hopefully makes it to playoffs and in good standing then everyone will be happy.

I say keep lin as a player coming off the bench. The 2nd unit needs him desparately, they pretty much fall apart without him. In close games, cliff will probably decide to bring lin in and play more minutes next to the starters, but other than that its better to bring him in when and if we need him.

[Guitardude]

the thing is, I said this before but lin is pretty much a starting level pg. He's not gonna give 35 point games every night, but as a starter and given the keys to the offense, he can probably do 17ppg easy. The hornets got a player like that for $2m contract, so yeah it worked out really well for them. Last year the lakers, it was a terrible team to be on, probably the worst that Lin has been in his entire life. This year, the hornets are a GREAT team. They have multiple starter level players ready to go, Batuum, Kemba, Big Al. This is almost a perfect storm ready to blow. Lin does NOT need to go linsanity every day, just contributing to the team, making the big defensive plays he's had so far, making good offensive plays and scoring reasonably, around 10ppg, is more than enough. He also takes alot of stress off of kemba and batuum, which IMO is his biggest contribution out of everything. As long as the team wins alot of games, hopefully makes it to playoffs and in good standing then everyone will be happy.

I say keep lin as a player coming off the bench. The 2nd unit needs him desparately, they pretty much fall apart without him. In close games, cliff will probably decide to bring lin in and play more minutes next to the starters, but other than that its better to bring him in when and if we need him.

NO, that logic is freakin (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Do you bench Harden because the 2nd unit needs him, as the Rocket's bench is garbage? How about benching Durant or Westbrook so the bench in OKC could be better? While we're at it, why not bench Batum or Walker for the same reasons? lol, no. You start and close with your best players 100% of the time. Lin not starting is a travesty because he's undoubtedly top 3 on the Hornets. If given the green light, you could argue he could be the Hornet's MVP.

[freewheelin]

Love to see kemba lin batum marv cody starting lineup.


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[13th Man]

NO, that logic is freakin (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Do you bench Harden because the 2nd unit needs him, as the Rocket's bench is garbage? How about benching Durant or Westbrook so the bench in OKC could be better? While we're at it, why not bench Batum or Walker for the same reasons? lol, no. You start and close with your best players 100% of the time. Lin not starting is a travesty because he's undoubtedly top 3 on the Hornets. If given the green light, you could argue he could be the Hornet's MVP.

[Guitardude]

Lin would undoubtedly be having a similar or better stat line, with the Hornets winning at a similar/better clip than Kemba if the situation with Kemba were reversed. What's so difficult to fathom about that?

[TinmanZBoy]

to all new comers, lin fans, please don't jinx lin, ok? low key, low key...

[leeramundo]

the thing is, I said this before but lin is pretty much a starting level pg. He's not gonna give 35 point games every night, but as a starter and given the keys to the offense, he can probably do 17ppg easy. The hornets got a player like that for $2m contract, so yeah it worked out really well for them. Last year the lakers, it was a terrible team to be on, probably the worst that Lin has been in his entire life. This year, the hornets are a GREAT team. They have multiple starter level players ready to go, Batuum, Kemba, Big Al. This is almost a perfect storm ready to blow. Lin does NOT need to go linsanity every day, just contributing to the team, making the big defensive plays he's had so far, making good offensive plays and scoring reasonably, around 10ppg, is more than enough. He also takes alot of stress off of kemba and batuum, which IMO is his biggest contribution out of everything. As long as the team wins alot of games, hopefully makes it to playoffs and in good standing then everyone will be happy.

I say keep lin as a player coming off the bench. The 2nd unit needs him desparately, they pretty much fall apart without him. In close games, cliff will probably decide to bring lin in and play more minutes next to the starters, but other than that its better to bring him in when and if we need him.

NO, that logic is freakin (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Do you bench Harden because the 2nd unit needs him, as the Rocket's bench is garbage? How about benching Durant or Westbrook so the bench in OKC could be better? While we're at it, why not bench Batum or Walker for the same reasons? lol, no. You start and close with your best players 100% of the time. Lin not starting is a travesty because he's undoubtedly top 3 on the Hornets. If given the green light, you could argue he could be the Hornet's MVP.

Take it easy. It's one game.

[dznutzz]

[rayfantastic]

From the raps@hornets GT

man, Lin sucks. he cost us the game

what is the point of this post?

wrong forum. my bad

[bigbob]

the thing is, I said this before but lin is pretty much a starting level pg. He's not gonna give 35 point games every night, but as a starter and given the keys to the offense, he can probably do 17ppg easy. The hornets got a player like that for $2m contract, so yeah it worked out really well for them. Last year the lakers, it was a terrible team to be on, probably the worst that Lin has been in his entire life. This year, the hornets are a GREAT team. They have multiple starter level players ready to go, Batuum, Kemba, Big Al. This is almost a perfect storm ready to blow. Lin does NOT need to go linsanity every day, just contributing to the team, making the big defensive plays he's had so far, making good offensive plays and scoring reasonably, around 10ppg, is more than enough. He also takes alot of stress off of kemba and batuum, which IMO is his biggest contribution out of everything. As long as the team wins alot of games, hopefully makes it to playoffs and in good standing then everyone will be happy.

I say keep lin as a player coming off the bench. The 2nd unit needs him desparately, they pretty much fall apart without him. In close games, cliff will probably decide to bring lin in and play more minutes next to the starters, but other than that its better to bring him in when and if we need him.

NO, that logic is freakin (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Do you bench Harden because the 2nd unit needs him, as the Rocket's bench is garbage? How about benching Durant or Westbrook so the bench in OKC could be better? While we're at it, why not bench Batum or Walker for the same reasons? lol, no. You start and close with your best players 100% of the time. Lin not starting is a travesty because he's undoubtedly top 3 on the Hornets. If given the green light, you could argue he could be the Hornet's MVP.

Take it easy. It's one game.

exactly...one game man. Its more important that we preserve the efficiency of the 2nd unit, and give good rotations to all the players and keep them fresh. Yeah if lin suddenly starts doing amazingly, starts balling like steph curry, then move him to the starting unit, push kemba or batuum to the 2nd unit. But now, as it is we NEED a PG to run unit #2, otherwise the team overall gets weaker. Look what happened today, batuum is sick, so lin can't run 2nd unit and this ends up being one of our lowest scoring games of the season (in 4 quarters). Lin already is getting decent minutes, and for his current role on the team, he is doing more than enough. This is my opinion of course.

[kinein]

though he is right, lin made some amazing plays that series but also some terrible bone headed mistakes. The 1 turnover he made was at a crucial moment in the game when it would have changed the whole series. Don't forget the missed layup LOL. Hes a great player, he can play well against anyone if he is given the right opportunity BUT, when he was on the rockets, he was a double edged sword. He could crush the other teams momentum right when we needed it, OR he could crush the rockets momentum. It was a love/hate relationship with lin, way too much drama. So far, hes doing better this year but im not going to say hes no longer the double edge sword he used to be. The # of games played this season is far too low to make any conclusions, but I can say that his handles, defense and confidence on the court all seems to have improved. Not sure what that means, but it could be a good sign for lins basketball future.

This is a great example of living in the past. What happened then has nothing to do with this Hornets team, last time I checked his last team was in LA. Anyone paying attention to basketball would know the issue really was the "superstars in Houston" see their record and the fact they fired their head coach before we even got to mid-season. The hate was coming from people too blind to understand they were busy scapegoating a guy while ignoring the other 99%. 1 play doesnt change a series, its a combination of every effort by every player for every minute of each game. This isn't a video game where 1 play automatically gives some bonus weapons and extra heavy ammo to win additional rounds. This is a competitive sport. If you have played competitive sports both team and solo you should understand that. All you've done is just repeat rhetoric that ignored the statistics and all the game data. You also ignore the fact that for the first few games a certain 80 Million dollar superstar couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with a nuclear bomb dropped from 10ft. That is clear bias and a refusal to acknowledge actual facts and stats/data/etc.

If you go and miss 90 out of 100 shots and then pick another guy - yes that 1 other guy and 1 layup and say "this makes that asian guy a double edged blade" i'm going to call you out on it every single time. Please, if I wanted to listen to someone run with rhetoric instead of acts/stats/and game by game analysis then I'd time travel back a few years and talk with you then. And while you miss 90% of your shots while being paid the big bucks, and play NO DEFENSE.. I cant take you seriously.

This is my test, if you take that "issue" out and see how that "team or group of people" perform over time you'll verify if that "issue, for you its Lin" is the real problem. Now looking at the sample size of the past few seasons and focusing on this one, the Rockets will be lucky to get an 8th seed. Ball don't lie and neither does the results of this season thus far. The Rockets have been exposed and there ain't much they can do put collect paychecks. End of story.

Stop living in the past, and stop trying to scapegoat 1 person for a team years removed from TODAY. Lets get back to Hornets and the games of TODAY.

[kinein]

If hornets want linsainty its there waiting, just need the right ingredients.

the thing is, I said this before but lin is pretty much a starting level pg. He's not gonna give 35 point games every night, but as a starter and given the keys to the offense, he can probably do 17ppg easy. The hornets got a player like that for $2m contract, so yeah it worked out really well for them. Last year the lakers, it was a terrible team to be on, probably the worst that Lin has been in his entire life. This year, the hornets are a GREAT team. They have multiple starter level players ready to go, Batuum, Kemba, Big Al. This is almost a perfect storm ready to blow. Lin does NOT need to go linsanity every day, just contributing to the team, making the big defensive plays he's had so far, making good offensive plays and scoring reasonably, around 10ppg, is more than enough. He also takes alot of stress off of kemba and batuum, which IMO is his biggest contribution out of everything. As long as the team wins alot of games, hopefully makes it to playoffs and in good standing then everyone will be happy.

I say keep lin as a player coming off the bench. The 2nd unit needs him desparately, they pretty much fall apart without him. In close games, cliff will probably decide to bring lin in and play more minutes next to the starters, but other than that its better to bring him in when and if we need him.

Big Al's stock is falling for me, I don't see him being on the team next year. Drug problems and a lack of professionalism, he's not trying to win a NBA championship at this point and his weight-loss doesn't appear to be related to the gym as he hasn't increased in muscle tone. Which means his weight-loss came through extra-curricular activities, if you've had any experience with these activities you should understand how this relates to his current suspension.