Fake Trade Thread #7

[NCHeels2008]

I love scrolling twitter and seeing all the fans saying trade LaMelo because they are tired of this... as if the team doesn't get significantly worse overnight if we make that deal. Anyone who thinks we trade LaMelo and are a better team in the next 24 months is fully delusional.

Not saying eventually after multiple lottery's we couldn't improve but if the goal is to see a better product on the floor then that is broken logic.

We haven't won with LaMelo either lol

Also who said we will be better trading LaMelo?

The goal would be developing our young rookies and preparing to add another core piece in a loaded draft.

I'm personally tired of playing the waiting game with LaMelo. We don't win much even if he plays. We don't gain anything by keeping him. In fact the longer we keep the more likely he's going to be forced to stay here because if he keeps getting injured with that massive contract nobody is going to touch him.

So we can keep him and play the injury game yet again. Just know that's a dangerous game long-term.

Yeah, just don't think it is some problem solving move that many fans assume it will be. We will be a worse team after the trade, anyone who thinks we are getting Trae, Morant or Garland back in a LaMelo trade are delusional.

It will be a bunch of mediocre picks likely a few years into the future, so the team will suck for at least 2 more years.

Im not arguing we are good now, just think the move will make us worse. If everyone is willing to accept that then sure let's make the trade. Just knowing this fanbase they will just want to panic trade the next guy when we aren't winning and Miller will be the next guy that fans turn on that we have to trade because the team isn't good.

We are going to suck anyway because Ball plays like 50% of the games in a season and that was before he was publicly disatisfied. I'm just wondering what we could fleece a desperate Pels or Kings franchise for.

[NCHeels2008]

id trade miles for kuminga straight up. just to try something else.

I would do Kuzma for Miles for the same reason

[JDR720]

would the Suns really give up Jalen Green + other pieces like Maluach and Dunn or Ighodaro? I'd do that one!

Peak humor would be trading Melo to the Suns for Mark Williams and Green.

[JustBuzzin]

Still wondering why we haven't entertained Bridges for John Collins.

At least we get the chucker off the team. Collins will at least play a role and not try to overshadow our young guys.

[GiggitySmalls]

Again, I am not saying we can't trade LaMelo, but if half the fan base is going to say they are out on LaMelo after every single game then let's have a real conversation.

1. Cavs are 10-6 with Garland coming back from injury. They went 64-18 last year. They are not trading Garland who played 75 games last year for an unknown in LaMelo.
2. Magic are committed to core 4 of Suggs, Bane, Franz and Paolo. They aren't trading any of those guys without trying it for a year or 2. Especially since LaMelo doesn't fit their defense first identity. Suggs or Franz for LaMelo is never ever happening.
3. Rockets. Same thing. They are 10-3. They aren't blowing that up to trade for LaMelo.
4. Pistons are 13-2 they aren't trading for LaMelo or Bridges.
5. Teams aren't trading rookies that are balling just like nobody wants to trade Kon. So we aren't getting Harper, Flagg, Fears, Queen, Coward etc.

Here are some real offers that I think teams would give us, like I mentioned I doubt any of these make us better nor do I think fans will be excited once the trade happens, but again its every game that people freak out on Twitter and demand them to be off the team.

Nets- Claxton, Mann, Nolan Traore and 3 firsts. 2027 Knicks, 2028 Philly, 2029 Knicks first for LaMelo.
Details: Nets lack salary matching. You have to take back 3 year deals back in Claxton and Terrance Mann for matching. You get a bunch of random firsts in the meantime. You also probably get 1 of the rookies they drafted other than Demin. Most assets but worst contracts back.

Wizards- McCollum, Bub Carrington, Cam Whitmore, 2027 first Wizards first and 2029 first (via Por, Bos, Mil), for LaMelo
Details: You get one of CJ and Middleton as expiring contract, but Wiz do this deal to put LaMelo with young core so you aren't getting Kyshawn, Sarr, Bilal or Tre.

Miami- Wiggins, Jakucionis and 2029 Miami first for LaMelo.
Details: No bad salary as Wiggins is only 2 yr deal, you get a good prospect and unprotected first. Miami isn't giving up their entire chest of young pieces for LaMelo on 4 yr deal.

Bulls - Coby White, Zach Collins, Kevin Huerter and 2027 Bulls first, 2029 Bulls first for LaMelo and Josh Green.
Details: You get 3 expirings, bird rights to Coby White and 2 unprotected future Bulls picks. Again you aren't getting Buzelis back for Melo.

Timberwolves- Naz Reid, Mike Conley, Terrance Shannon and Rob Dillingham.
Details: They have no tradeable firsts. Rumored to be interested in Morant so assume LaMelo too.

Suns - Jalen Green, Khaman Maluach, Ryan Dunn for LaMelo.
Details: Suns have no firsts to offer. They are one of few desperate teams who might give up main young pieces for LaMelo.

Clippers- John Collins, Bogdanovic, Cam Christie, 2030 unprotected first and 2032 unprotected first for LaMelo.
Details: 2 expirings and only two tradeable picks they own.

Kings- Derozan, Schroder, Keon Ellis, 2027 first (via Spurs) and 2028 unprotected Kings first
Details: If Kings are trading future firsts, they aren't trading Sabonis or Keegan.

Warriors- Kuminga, Podziemski, Buddy Hield, 2026 Warriors first, 2028 Warriors first.
Details: Warriors dump disgruntled Kuminga and keep old core together.

That is 9 realistic trades IMO, that aren't contenders blowing up teams, trading top rookies or swapping healthy allstar players for our hurt allstar players. Nor is it tossing in Miles Bridges like some team is dying to acquire both guys that Hornets fans demand need to be traded.

I would do the bulls trade coby white would work well with everything else attached. Collins adds depth to the C position.

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[Chapelchilla]

Again, I am not saying we can't trade LaMelo, but if half the fan base is going to say they are out on LaMelo after every single game then let's have a real conversation.

1. Cavs are 10-6 with Garland coming back from injury. They went 64-18 last year. They are not trading Garland who played 75 games last year for an unknown in LaMelo.
2. Magic are committed to core 4 of Suggs, Bane, Franz and Paolo. They aren't trading any of those guys without trying it for a year or 2. Especially since LaMelo doesn't fit their defense first identity. Suggs or Franz for LaMelo is never ever happening.
3. Rockets. Same thing. They are 10-3. They aren't blowing that up to trade for LaMelo.
4. Pistons are 13-2 they aren't trading for LaMelo or Bridges.
5. Teams aren't trading rookies that are balling just like nobody wants to trade Kon. So we aren't getting Harper, Flagg, Fears, Queen, Coward etc.

Here are some real offers that I think teams would give us, like I mentioned I doubt any of these make us better nor do I think fans will be excited once the trade happens, but again its every game that people freak out on Twitter and demand them to be off the team.

Nets- Claxton, Mann, Nolan Traore and 3 firsts. 2027 Knicks, 2028 Philly, 2029 Knicks first for LaMelo.
Details: Nets lack salary matching. You have to take back 3 year deals back in Claxton and Terrance Mann for matching. You get a bunch of random firsts in the meantime. You also probably get 1 of the rookies they drafted other than Demin. Most assets but worst contracts back.

Wizards- McCollum, Bub Carrington, Cam Whitmore, 2027 first Wizards first and 2029 first (via Por, Bos, Mil), for LaMelo
Details: You get one of CJ and Middleton as expiring contract, but Wiz do this deal to put LaMelo with young core so you aren't getting Kyshawn, Sarr, Bilal or Tre.

Miami- Wiggins, Jakucionis and 2029 Miami first for LaMelo.
Details: No bad salary as Wiggins is only 2 yr deal, you get a good prospect and unprotected first. Miami isn't giving up their entire chest of young pieces for LaMelo on 4 yr deal.

Bulls - Coby White, Zach Collins, Kevin Huerter and 2027 Bulls first, 2029 Bulls first for LaMelo and Josh Green.
Details: You get 3 expirings, bird rights to Coby White and 2 unprotected future Bulls picks. Again you aren't getting Buzelis back for Melo.

Timberwolves- Naz Reid, Mike Conley, Terrance Shannon and Rob Dillingham.
Details: They have no tradeable firsts. Rumored to be interested in Morant so assume LaMelo too.

Suns - Jalen Green, Khaman Maluach, Ryan Dunn for LaMelo.
Details: Suns have no firsts to offer. They are one of few desperate teams who might give up main young pieces for LaMelo.

Clippers- John Collins, Bogdanovic, Cam Christie, 2030 unprotected first and 2032 unprotected first for LaMelo.
Details: 2 expirings and only two tradeable picks they own.

Kings- Derozan, Schroder, Keon Ellis, 2027 first (via Spurs) and 2028 unprotected Kings first
Details: If Kings are trading future firsts, they aren't trading Sabonis or Keegan.

Warriors- Kuminga, Podziemski, Buddy Hield, 2026 Warriors first, 2028 Warriors first.
Details: Warriors dump disgruntled Kuminga and keep old core together.

That is 9 realistic trades IMO, that aren't contenders blowing up teams, trading top rookies or swapping healthy allstar players for our hurt allstar players. Nor is it tossing in Miles Bridges like some team is dying to acquire both guys that Hornets fans demand need to be traded.

I would do the bulls trade coby white would work well with everything else attached. Collins adds depth to the C position.

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Yep, and Huerter is solid as a rotation type guy. Shoots and passes well. They could even keep the 27 if they want. That draft stinks and we already have 2 picks.

[JDR720]

Melo and Giddy conflict too much I think.

To me Melo would be traded for a veteran (for the money) and 1-2 good prospects + 1-2 picks. Not any young All-Star level-ish players.

[JDR720]

Crazy Trade:

Melo + Miles + All the picks for... Giannis.

[Diop]

id trade miles for kuminga straight up. just to try something else.

I would do Kuzma for Miles for the same reason

Yeah why not, the knock apparently is that he can be a bit of ball stopper, but so can Miles.

[GiggitySmalls]

Kuminga for miles sraight up would be cool.

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[JMAC3]

Still wondering why we haven't entertained Bridges for John Collins.

At least we get the chucker off the team. Collins will at least play a role and not try to overshadow our young guys.

Contracts, why would the Clippers trade an expiring player for a guy with 2 years left? Especially if the guy with the shorter contract is so much better as you state?

[JMAC3]

id trade miles for kuminga straight up. just to try something else.

I would do Kuzma for Miles for the same reason

Yeah why not, the knock apparently is that he can be a bit of ball stopper, but so can Miles.

Why would that make any sense? Kuzma is a worse player and probably credited with being a lower BBIQ than Miles.

Kuzma EPM cumulative by adding both positive and negative games together for the year.
-10.4

Bridges EPM cumulative by adding both positive and negative games together.
+5.4

Kuzma shooting 26% from deep.

[JMAC3]

Again, I am not saying we can't trade LaMelo, but if half the fan base is going to say they are out on LaMelo after every single game then let's have a real conversation.

1. Cavs are 10-6 with Garland coming back from injury. They went 64-18 last year. They are not trading Garland who played 75 games last year for an unknown in LaMelo.
2. Magic are committed to core 4 of Suggs, Bane, Franz and Paolo. They aren't trading any of those guys without trying it for a year or 2. Especially since LaMelo doesn't fit their defense first identity. Suggs or Franz for LaMelo is never ever happening.
3. Rockets. Same thing. They are 10-3. They aren't blowing that up to trade for LaMelo.
4. Pistons are 13-2 they aren't trading for LaMelo or Bridges.
5. Teams aren't trading rookies that are balling just like nobody wants to trade Kon. So we aren't getting Harper, Flagg, Fears, Queen, Coward etc.

Here are some real offers that I think teams would give us, like I mentioned I doubt any of these make us better nor do I think fans will be excited once the trade happens, but again its every game that people freak out on Twitter and demand them to be off the team.

Nets- Claxton, Mann, Nolan Traore and 3 firsts. 2027 Knicks, 2028 Philly, 2029 Knicks first for LaMelo.
Details: Nets lack salary matching. You have to take back 3 year deals back in Claxton and Terrance Mann for matching. You get a bunch of random firsts in the meantime. You also probably get 1 of the rookies they drafted other than Demin. Most assets but worst contracts back.

Wizards- McCollum, Bub Carrington, Cam Whitmore, 2027 first Wizards first and 2029 first (via Por, Bos, Mil), for LaMelo
Details: You get one of CJ and Middleton as expiring contract, but Wiz do this deal to put LaMelo with young core so you aren't getting Kyshawn, Sarr, Bilal or Tre.

Miami- Wiggins, Jakucionis and 2029 Miami first for LaMelo.
Details: No bad salary as Wiggins is only 2 yr deal, you get a good prospect and unprotected first. Miami isn't giving up their entire chest of young pieces for LaMelo on 4 yr deal.

Bulls - Coby White, Zach Collins, Kevin Huerter and 2027 Bulls first, 2029 Bulls first for LaMelo and Josh Green.
Details: You get 3 expirings, bird rights to Coby White and 2 unprotected future Bulls picks. Again you aren't getting Buzelis back for Melo.

Timberwolves- Naz Reid, Mike Conley, Terrance Shannon and Rob Dillingham.
Details: They have no tradeable firsts. Rumored to be interested in Morant so assume LaMelo too.

Suns - Jalen Green, Khaman Maluach, Ryan Dunn for LaMelo.
Details: Suns have no firsts to offer. They are one of few desperate teams who might give up main young pieces for LaMelo.

Clippers- John Collins, Bogdanovic, Cam Christie, 2030 unprotected first and 2032 unprotected first for LaMelo.
Details: 2 expirings and only two tradeable picks they own.

Kings- Derozan, Schroder, Keon Ellis, 2027 first (via Spurs) and 2028 unprotected Kings first
Details: If Kings are trading future firsts, they aren't trading Sabonis or Keegan.

Warriors- Kuminga, Podziemski, Buddy Hield, 2026 Warriors first, 2028 Warriors first.
Details: Warriors dump disgruntled Kuminga and keep old core together.

That is 9 realistic trades IMO, that aren't contenders blowing up teams, trading top rookies or swapping healthy allstar players for our hurt allstar players. Nor is it tossing in Miles Bridges like some team is dying to acquire both guys that Hornets fans demand need to be traded.

Sad thing is if the LaMelo/Hornets beef is real we probably lose a little leverage and even these mediocre deals are probably too good. We might get less than this if teams know that end is in sight.

[JMAC3]

I would do Kuzma for Miles for the same reason

Yeah why not, the knock apparently is that he can be a bit of ball stopper, but so can Miles.

Why would that make any sense? Kuzma is a worse player and probably credited with being a lower BBIQ than Miles.

Kuzma EPM cumulative by adding both positive and negative games together for the year.
-10.4

Bridges EPM cumulative by adding both positive and negative games together.
+5.4

Kuzma shooting 26% from deep.

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Both with 2 years left on their deal, what is this trade accomplishing?

[Diop]

I would do Kuzma for Miles for the same reason

Yeah why not, the knock apparently is that he can be a bit of ball stopper, but so can Miles.

Why would that make any sense? Kuzma is a worse player and probably credited with being a lower BBIQ than Miles.

Kuzma EPM cumulative by adding both positive and negative games together for the year.
-10.4

Bridges EPM cumulative by adding both positive and negative games together.
+5.4

Kuzma shooting 26% from deep.

I was referring to Kuminga, I don’t like kuzma at all

[JMAC3]

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[Rich4114]

The idea of trading LaMelo right now, is purely an emotional one. While his value would never be as low as RealGM posters seem to think, it is still at the lowest point it might ever be given the last few seasons and we're only on game 14 this season. The only way the Hornets should consider trading LaMelo is if it's a way to reshuffle the team to compete now vs starting over and hoping you find a way to get another talent on the level of LaMelo.

What exactly do Hornets fans want? I for one, would like to win sometime soon. What's the clearest path to do that? I don't think it's trading our best player for a few picks in the 20's and salary filler.

[fatlever]

If the trade board is any indicator we would be lucky to get two second round picks back for Melo.

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[fatlever]

Let's strike a deal with the league... we will trade Melo to a team of their choosing in exchange for the future draft rights to all of kons brothers.

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[Chapelchilla]

I would like to give our "BIG3" players a chance to play together for a while before we make any hasty decisions. Hopefully we can get a run of good health from them between now and NYE to see how it looks.