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Re: Fake Trade Thread III - (and NO Rudy Gay offers!!) 

Post#1241 » by MPM » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:13 pm

If Shumpert had been drafted by CLT, we'd be looking to trade him for the NYK's Gerald Henderson.
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Post#1242 » by Robot Rock » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:57 am

Once again, Kemba makes a lot of you guys look stupid. 10 of 13 from the field. 24 points, 8 assists against the Lakers. If he had a competent coach and a decent supporting cast, he'd be even better.

But keep on hating, and keep on with the ignorant comparisons. I enjoy the hate. :D
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Post#1243 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:00 am

Robot Rock wrote:Once again, Kemba makes a lot of you guys look stupid. 10 of 13 from the field. 24 points, 8 assists against the Lakers. If he had a competent coach and a decent supporting cast, he'd be even better.

But keep on hating, and keep on with the ignorant comparisons. I enjoy the hate. :D


No one on here looks "Stupid". Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and stating that Walker is inconsistent as hell is not only an opinion, but basically a fact.

That being said Im glad he played well tonight. Im always glad when he plays well. He just needs more consistency from his shooting.
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Post#1244 » by Elden Payton » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:04 am

Since when is it not ok to criticise a player?

Who is ignorant for viewing Kemba with the homer glasses off?

Kemba is wildly inconsistent and it shows, I'm glad he had a great game and it was his best game for the year (aside from the second half of the GSW game)

It is however ignorant to say that we do not have a competent coach.
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Post#1245 » by Robot Rock » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:08 am

Sik Infant wrote:Since when is it not ok to criticise a player?

Who is ignorant for viewing Kemba with the homer glasses off?

Kemba is wildly inconsistent and it shows, I'm glad he had a great game and it was his best game for the year (aside from the second half of the GSW game)

It is however ignorant to say that we do not have a competent coach.


A competent coach doesn't ignore a guy shooting 10-of-13 in favor of dumping it down to someone in the same manner three straight times.

A player who carries his team on his back more nights than not is not wildly inconsistent. But by all means, I don't mind being labeled a homer just because I see a player for what he is, and because I'm not obsessed with underachievers and players on other teams who quite simply are not as good as Kemba. :wink:
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Post#1246 » by Robot Rock » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:10 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:One could only hope that we could get Dragic for Walker. Pipe dream.
You're crazy if you want to trade Kemba for two years of Dragic. Kemba's gotten off to a slow start- Dragic has started quickly. It's all going to even out in the end.


There's no place here for you and your logical statements. :)
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Re: Fake Trade Thread III - (and NO Rudy Gay offers!!) 

Post#1247 » by Elden Payton » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:13 am

Robot Rock wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Since when is it not ok to criticise a player?

Who is ignorant for viewing Kemba with the homer glasses off?

Kemba is wildly inconsistent and it shows, I'm glad he had a great game and it was his best game for the year (aside from the second half of the GSW game)

It is however ignorant to say that we do not have a competent coach.


A competent coach doesn't ignore a guy shooting 10-of-13 in favor of dumping it down to someone in the same manner three straight times.

A player who carries his team on his back more nights than not is not wildly inconsistent. But by all means, I don't mind being labeled a homer just because I see a player for what he is, and because I'm not obsessed with underachievers and players on other teams who quite simply are not as good as Kemba. :wink:


You're talking about a coach who has coached the grand total of 24 games.

If Clifford is not competent then how come we have a top 5 defense and are a #6 seed in the East?

I'm not labelling you a homer, I'm saying that our fans are a knowledgable lot and look at our players without homer glasses on.

Being willing to trade Kemba for better players does not make a fan a hater.

Kemba has a good game and you feel the need to call out other fans and gloat, but, where's the gloating when Kemba has games shooting 2-11, 3-14, 4-16?
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Post#1248 » by Eoghan » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:15 am

MPM wrote:If Shumpert had been drafted by CLT, we'd be looking to trade him for the NYK's Gerald Henderson.

I wouldn't go that far. It seems like a lateral move to me b/c Iman isn't really a great shooter either. We need a Korver type to punish people for leaving him open beyond the arc, create some spacing for Kemba and MKG to slash and Jefferson to post up.
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Post#1249 » by Robot Rock » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:21 am

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Robot Rock wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Since when is it not ok to criticise a player?

Who is ignorant for viewing Kemba with the homer glasses off?

Kemba is wildly inconsistent and it shows, I'm glad he had a great game and it was his best game for the year (aside from the second half of the GSW game)

It is however ignorant to say that we do not have a competent coach.


A competent coach doesn't ignore a guy shooting 10-of-13 in favor of dumping it down to someone in the same manner three straight times.

A player who carries his team on his back more nights than not is not wildly inconsistent. But by all means, I don't mind being labeled a homer just because I see a player for what he is, and because I'm not obsessed with underachievers and players on other teams who quite simply are not as good as Kemba. :wink:


You're talking about a coach who has coached the grand total of 24 games.

If Clifford is not competent then how come we have a top 5 defense and are a #6 seed in the East?

I'm not labelling you a homer, I'm saying that our fans are a knowledgable lot and look at our players without homer glasses on.

Being willing to trade Kemba for better players does not make a fan a hater.

Kemba has a good game and you feel the need to call out other fans and gloat, but, where's the gloating when Kemba has games shooting 2-11, 3-14, 4-16?


Pretty simple. If you wanna go back and research my posts (I think you can, I'm not sure) you'd find me saying things after Kemba's bad games like, "Man I hope Kemba turns it around. These 1-for-13 games are awful." I've always called it like it is.

And because of that, I'll be realistic. I know the guy is one of the 15 best point guards in the NBA right this instant. When he's on, he's top-5. He just beat a dude (Curry) whom many would say is a top-5 player in the league TOTAL.
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Post#1250 » by Elden Payton » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:25 am

Curry had 43/6/9 in that game.

The Bobcats beat the Pacers and very much due to Kemba but don't act like Kemba embarrassed or 'beat' a guy that had 43/6/9.

Kemba is one of my favourite players but I recognise that his inconsistency kills us at times and stops him from breaking through the glass ceiling of top 10 PG's in this league.
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Post#1251 » by Robot Rock » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:26 am

Sik Infant wrote:Curry had 43/6/9 in that game.

The Bobcats beat the Pacers and very much due to Kemba but don't act like Kemba embarrassed or 'beat' a guy that had 43/6/9.

Kemba is one of my favourite players but I recognise that his inconsistency kills us at times and stops him from breaking through the glass ceiling of top 10 PG's in this league.


If he'd put together games that are 3/4 as good as tonight on most nights (remember, please: Chris Paul/LeBron/Kobe/MJ/whoever, are not amazing every night. If that's your definition of consistency, c'mon man) then he will be top-10 for sure.
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Post#1252 » by JDR720 » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:27 am

KW isn't a top 5 PG, he might be top 10 when he plays well and playing well is 20ppg 6ast on decent shooting

top 5 PG

1-CP3
2-Westbrook
3-Parker
4-Curry
5-Wall-Rondo-Irving-Williams are all about the same

and i wouldn't say he beat Curry, he had 40 the Bobcats beat the Warriors

Kemba is in the same class as Jennings,Rubio,Lawson and Teague
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Post#1253 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:27 am

Robot Rock wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:
A competent coach doesn't ignore a guy shooting 10-of-13 in favor of dumping it down to someone in the same manner three straight times.

A player who carries his team on his back more nights than not is not wildly inconsistent. But by all means, I don't mind being labeled a homer just because I see a player for what he is, and because I'm not obsessed with underachievers and players on other teams who quite simply are not as good as Kemba. :wink:


Lol. This is getting

You're talking about a coach who has coached the grand total of 24 games.

If Clifford is not competent then how come we have a top 5 defense and are a #6 seed in the East?

I'm not labelling you a homer, I'm saying that our fans are a knowledgable lot and look at our players without homer glasses on.

Being willing to trade Kemba for better players does not make a fan a hater.

Kemba has a good game and you feel the need to call out other fans and gloat, but, where's the gloating when Kemba has games shooting 2-11, 3-14, 4-16?


Pretty simple. If you wanna go back and research my posts (I think you can, I'm not sure) you'd find me saying things after Kemba's bad games like, "Man I hope Kemba turns it around. These 1-for-13 games are awful." I've always called it like it is.

And because of that, I'll be realistic. I know the guy is one of the 15 best point guards in the NBA right this instant. When he's on, he's top-5. He just beat a dude (Curry) whom many would say is a top-5 player in the league TOTAL.


Lol. Well at least you are passionate. Even if you are wrong.
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Post#1254 » by JDR720 » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:28 am

Robot Rock wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Curry had 43/6/9 in that game.

The Bobcats beat the Pacers and very much due to Kemba but don't act like Kemba embarrassed or 'beat' a guy that had 43/6/9.

Kemba is one of my favourite players but I recognise that his inconsistency kills us at times and stops him from breaking through the glass ceiling of top 10 PG's in this league.


If he'd put together games that are 3/4 as good as tonight on most nights (remember, please: Chris Paul/LeBron/Kobe/MJ/whoever, are not amazing every night. If that's your definition of consistency, c'mon man) then he will be top-10 for sure.


CP3 is a walking double double as a PG, LeBron's bad games are 20,5 and 5 and Kobe is old and hurt
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Post#1255 » by Elden Payton » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:28 am

Careful LP, you wouldn't want to be labelled a hater by saying something as crazy as Curry>Kemba.
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Post#1256 » by Robot Rock » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:28 am

I stand by my point. If any other player on this team shot 10 of 13 one night, especially MKG, everyone would say he's untouchable. It's the BAK (Bias Against Kemba) that frustrates me.
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Post#1257 » by Robot Rock » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:30 am

Sik Infant wrote:Careful LP, you wouldn't want to be labelled a hater by saying something as crazy as Curry>Kemba.


When did I call you a hater, specifically? Feel free to use my words against me, but don't create them.

Curry is better than Kemba. Curry was not better than Kemba a few nights ago. Whose team won? Who carried his team to that win?

Again, if MKG had half that performance, you guys would be stuffing the ballot box. I simply don't understand it. I disagree with it but respect it, and yet I don't understand the different standards applied to different players.
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Post#1258 » by JDR720 » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:33 am

Kemba is held to a higher standard because he is this teams star, if MKG has 20 that would be a great game for him, Kemba should average 20 and probably would if he would shoot better
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Post#1259 » by Elden Payton » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:34 am

There is no bias against Kemba.

He's overwhelmingly the favourite player of our board. (MKG and Biz are competition)

Before this game he was shooting 37 percent from the field.

His 10-13 is great but looking at the whole picture he still needs to improve.
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Post#1260 » by Robot Rock » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:38 am

Sik Infant wrote:There is no bias against Kemba.

He's overwhelmingly the favourite player of our board. (MKG and Biz are competition)

Before this game he was shooting 37 percent from the field.

His 10-13 is great but looking at the whole picture he still needs to improve.


My main point, I suppose, is that I feel overall on RealGM and Carolina Huddle (smh) that Kemba is incredibly underrated and under-appreciated. Which, I suppose, is everyone's right. I don't think the dude is perfect.

All I'm saying is, he's my top pick if I'm starting a team. (Figured I'd give you a "free space" for your "Quote RR and let the arguments fly" game, :lol: )

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