Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[anthoang]

Lin with 35 points! This thread will explode!

When is Batum coming back?

[lin is ok]

If hornets want linsainty its there waiting, just need the right ingredients.

the thing is, I said this before but lin is pretty much a starting level pg. He's not gonna give 35 point games every night, but as a starter and given the keys to the offense, he can probably do 17ppg easy. The hornets got a player like that for $2m contract, so yeah it worked out really well for them. Last year the lakers, it was a terrible team to be on, probably the worst that Lin has been in his entire life. This year, the hornets are a GREAT team. They have multiple starter level players ready to go, Batuum, Kemba, Big Al. This is almost a perfect storm ready to blow. Lin does NOT need to go linsanity every day, just contributing to the team, making the big defensive plays he's had so far, making good offensive plays and scoring reasonably, around 10ppg, is more than enough. He also takes alot of stress off of kemba and batuum, which IMO is his biggest contribution out of everything. As long as the team wins alot of games, hopefully makes it to playoffs and in good standing then everyone will be happy.

I say keep lin as a player coming off the bench. The 2nd unit needs him desparately, they pretty much fall apart without him. In close games, cliff will probably decide to bring lin in and play more minutes next to the starters, but other than that its better to bring him in when and if we need him.

Thanks for the long thoughtful reply. I really want Lin to stay with the hornets next year, I like Kemba, but for Lin to stay pass next year best they get Lin in more involved in the offensive sets. come on - Kemba Lin Batum Marv Cody. The 2nd unit can slow ball with Big AL.

[lin is ok]

Alot of Linfans now are pushing for him to go join the 76ers. I for one would love to see Lin develop and grow with the Hornets.

[razsan]

So the Hornets won right? So Lin dropped 35 right?
ESPN highlights show almost nothing but Derozan and then switch to Kemba in the OT. Not 1 Lin play.
Seriously...Lin scored the most points in the NBA last night (granted only 3 games )

[Guitardude]

exactly...one game man. Its more important that we preserve the efficiency of the 2nd unit, and give good rotations to all the players and keep them fresh. Yeah if lin suddenly starts doing amazingly, starts balling like steph curry, then move him to the starting unit, push kemba or batuum to the 2nd unit. But now, as it is we NEED a PG to run unit #2, otherwise the team overall gets weaker. Look what happened today, batuum is sick, so lin can't run 2nd unit and this ends up being one of our lowest scoring games of the season (in 4 quarters). Lin already is getting decent minutes, and for his current role on the team, he is doing more than enough. This is my opinion of course.

It is one game. But it's also only one game where Lin got to play >35 minutes, shoot > 20 times, and share the focal point of the offense the whole season. He won't be able to ball like Steph Curry (not saying he's as good as steph) unless he get the opportunity to do so. And right now with the way things are, he's not getting the opportunity. Let's put it this way, if Walker or Batum got the same number of minutes/shot attempts as Lin, you think they'd get the same numbers or PER they have now? It's all opportunity, man.

And yes, we need a playmaker in the second unit. How about Walker or Batum? Lin is in no way inferior to either of them talent or skill wise, and is a better playmaker and scorer than at least Batum, possibly Walker. I personally think Walker or Batum would play great as a 6th man for Charlotte.

[TinmanZBoy]

So the Hornets won right? So Lin dropped 35 right?
ESPN highlights show almost nothing but Derozan and then switch to Kemba in the OT. Not 1 Lin play.
Seriously...Lin scored the most points in the NBA last night (granted only 3 games )

lin fans should work hard toward buying espn, make it esplin

[lin is ok]

So the Hornets won right? So Lin dropped 35 right?
ESPN highlights show almost nothing but Derozan and then switch to Kemba in the OT. Not 1 Lin play.
Seriously...Lin scored the most points in the NBA last night (granted only 3 games )

lin fans should work hard toward buying espn, make it esplin

hehehe tinmanZBoy did u make that ESPN highlight video?

[lin is ok]

Lin with 35 points! This thread will explode!

When is Batum coming back?

you guys should watch Clutchfans jeremy thread there it's gone to the next level TINSANE that's what they call it.

[JJ From Deep]

You guys got a real taste of Linsanity last night.

[bws94]

Must have been a great game for Charlotte fans at TIme Warner Center last night. A relaxing game turned tense in the 4th goes into OT and a huge 19 points is scored in OT.

[13th Man]

Lin with 35 points! This thread will explode!

When is Batum coming back?

you guys should watch Clutchfans jeremy thread there it's gone to the next level TINSANE that's what they call it.

Hate to talk about that place so this will be my only comment. They should lock up that thread and chalk it up as another loss. But then certain members would have nothing to obsess over, what are they going to talk about, their team?

[Guitardude]

To continue Flip Murray's post here:

Absolutely ridiculous to say he's essentially as good as Harden.

Stephen Curry
Lebron James
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook
Chris Paul
Paul George
Damian Lillard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Klay Thompson
Draymond Green
Kawhi Leonard
John Wall
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Millsap
Marc Gasol
Jimmy Butler
Gordon Hayward

I don't know how many that is. These guys have done it consistently although Lin's ceiling is definitely high as we have seen.

Never said Lin was as good as Harden. I said they have similar attributes and similar reasons as to why they're both so effective offensively, and why Lin is severely under-utilized given these similar attributes.

I also contend with many people on your list. I'm not talking about overall skills, I'm talking purely from an offensive/scoring perspective, and I have it as this:

Stephen Curry - absolutely better than Lin offensively
Lebron James - check
James Harden - agreed
Anthony Davis - agreed
Kevin Durant - agreed
Russell Westbrook - agreed
Chris Paul - agreed
Paul George
Damian Lillard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Kyrie Irving - agreed
Kevin Love
Klay Thompson - agreed
Draymond Green
Kawhi Leonard
John Wall
Carmelo Anthony - agreed
Paul Millsap
Marc Gasol
Jimmy Butler
Gordon Hayward

I only think 10 of the people you listed are outright superior to Lin from an offensive standpoint. The others are either on Lin's level or below. I.e. Paul George - dude puts up 19.4 shots per game. Of course he's gonna score a ton - he only shoots 43.7% from the field FYI. Damian Lillard shoots >20 shots/game and converts on only 41.8% of his shots, etc.

Basically what I'm trying to say is if you give Lin > 15 shots/game consistently and make him one of the focal points of the offense, he'll score 20ppg EASILY with >6 assists/game, with the Hornets doing as good or better offensively.

[Flip Murray]

To continue Flip Murray's post here:

Absolutely ridiculous to say he's essentially as good as Harden.

Stephen Curry
Lebron James
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook
Chris Paul
Paul George
Damian Lillard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Love
Klay Thompson
Draymond Green
Kawhi Leonard
John Wall
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Millsap
Marc Gasol
Jimmy Butler
Gordon Hayward

I don't know how many that is. These guys have done it consistently although Lin's ceiling is definitely high as we have seen.

Never said Lin was as good as Harden. I said they have similar attributes and similar reasons as to why they're both so effective offensively, and why Lin is severely under-utilized given these similar attributes.

I also contend with many people on your list. I'm not talking about overall skills, I'm talking purely from an offensive/scoring perspective, and I have it as this:

Stephen Curry - absolutely better than Lin offensively
Lebron James - check
James Harden - agreed
Anthony Davis - agreed
Kevin Durant - agreed
Russell Westbrook - agreed
Chris Paul - agreed
Paul George
Damian Lillard
Lamarcus Aldridge
Kyrie Irving - agreed
Kevin Love
Klay Thompson - agreed
Draymond Green
Kawhi Leonard
John Wall
Carmelo Anthony - agreed
Paul Millsap
Marc Gasol
Jimmy Butler
Gordon Hayward

I only think 10 of the people you listed are outright superior to Lin from an offensive standpoint. The others are either on Lin's level or below. I.e. Paul George - dude puts up 19.4 shots per game. Of course he's gonna score a ton - he only shoots 43.7% from the field FYI. Damian Lillard shoots >20 shots/game and converts on only 41.8% of his shots, etc.

Basically what I'm trying to say is if you give Lin > 15 shots/game consistently and make him one of the focal points of the offense, he'll score 20ppg EASILY with >6 assists/game, with the Hornets doing as good or better offensively.

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I guess we just disagree on where Lin stands right now. I do agree that Lin's ceiling is very high depending on how he's utilized. We've certainly seen flashes. I think part of our disagreement is that you're basing it on skillset not actual production. I can't really argue with you there because that's going to be a lot more subjective.

[lin is ok]

lol kemba is not on that list!

[lin is ok]

man look at lin here . supreme untouchable confidence. sadly this is unlikely to happen with the hornets this year.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeIHnmwhRqU[/youtube]

[yosemiteben]

man look at lin here . supreme untouchable confidence. sadly this is unlikely to happen with the hornets this year.

In that game Lin shot 9-20 for 27 points in 43 minutes with 2 boards, 11 assists but 8 TOs. Last night he was 13-22 for 35 points in 47 minutes with 5 boards, 4 assists, 3 TOs. Lin arguably had the superior game last night compared to the one you referenced (which was was almost four years ago), yet here you are complaining about his role with the Hornets.

Seriously, if you are going to post a statement like this after a game like Lin had last night, wtf is it going to take to make you happy?

[13th Man]

I genuinely believe that Lin is the best player that he's ever been right now even though the numbers may not reflect that. People get too worked up about points and even fg% but the game is so much more than that. Lin still has his flaws (handles and shooting) but he is playing much better defense, limiting his TOs, playing within the flow of the offense (comes with getting more comfortable with the team and his role) and making better all-around decisions on the court.

[lin is ok]

i was wondering and digging what vic vitus was whinning about . perhaps it's this

[13th Man]

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[Snidely FC]

it strikes me as ironic that the object of so much agitation about status and playing time, Lin repeatedly and publicly states that for him the game is all about the team. It's like his most ardent fans miss the point of what Jeremy Lin tries to stand for.