2020 Pre-Draft Discussion

UNCNYC · Post #1261 » by **UNCNYC** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:33 pm

I have such a hard time choosing out of these 3 players

CJ Elleby
Ty'shon Alexander
LaMar Stevens

I like them all the same.

KGdaBom · Post #1262 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:50 pm

amcoolio wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Great video. If you follow this exercise, you take Ball

I just saw this and immediately invalidate their scouting on Ball. He should possibly get a 1 for his shot. Not an 8.

UNCNYC · Post #1263 » by **UNCNYC** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:55 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
amcoolio wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Great video. If you follow this exercise, you take Ball

I just saw this and immediately invalidate their scouting on Ball. He should possibly get a 1 for his shot. Not a 8.

Thanks for posting on our board. Your passion, knowledge and love for the game, and genuiness is well received.

KGdaBom · Post #1264 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:35 pm

UNCNYC wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
amcoolio wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Great video. If you follow this exercise, you take Ball

I just saw this and immediately invalidate their scouting on Ball. He should possibly get a 1 for his shot. Not a 8.

Thanks for posting on our board. Your passion, knowledge and love for the game, and genuiness is well received.

Thanks. I have enjoyed reading your thoughts on the picks and the individual threads. I clearly am not a fan of Ball, but I also recognize that he must have some good qualities considering many people have him as the best player in the draft. Still how could that scouting report have given him an 8 for his clearly broken shot. They also give him a 7 for Defense. Some metrics had him as the worst defender in the entire NBL last year.

DY_nasty · Post #1265 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:43 pm

If that's an 8, why does the scale only go to 10?

UNCNYC · Post #1266 » by **UNCNYC** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:09 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
UNCNYC wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I just saw this and immediately invalidate their scouting on Ball. He should possibly get a 1 for his shot. Not a 8.

Thanks for posting on our board. Your passion, knowledge and love for the game, and genuiness is well received.

Thanks. I have enjoyed reading your thoughts on the picks and the individual threads. I clearly am not a fan of Ball, but I also recognize that he must have some good qualities considering many people have him as the best player in the draft. Still how could that scouting report have given him an 8 for his clearly broken shot. They also give him a 7 for Defense. Some metrics had him as the worst defender in the entire NBL last year.

Thanks man I appreciate it. Lol yeah pretty off the mark far as scouting predictions go... I do think he has the potential to improve both tho. I am a fan of his but not so sure as to if I would take him over Terry or Hayes. I would however be happy with him if drafted by us.

UNCNYC · Post #1267 » by **UNCNYC** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:11 pm

DY_nasty wrote:If that's an 8, why does the scale only go to 10?

Lol.

KGdaBom · Post #1268 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:23 pm

DY_nasty wrote:If that's an 8, why does the scale only go to 10?

LofJ · Post #1269 » by **LofJ** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:11 pm

With 3 of the remaining 4 teams in the playoffs arguably being led by bigs as their best players I think it's now more likely that the Warriors will take Wiseman at 2.

That means whoever the Wolves don't take out of Edwards, Ball, and Avdjia will be there at 3.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1270 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:28 pm

LofJ wrote:With 3 of the remaining 4 teams in the playoffs arguably being led by bigs as their best players I think it's now more likely that the Warriors will take Wiseman at 2.

That means whoever the Wolves don't take out of Edwards, Ball, and Avdjia will be there at 3.

Maybe. They still have the 17 million Iguodala TPE they can use and a potential Wiggins trade. They could just as well address the center spot with either of those.

I have a hard time seeing how Wiseman could stand up to AD in the playoffs as a rookie. Sure he would help, especially long term if he develops well, but as for winning next year? I have my doubts.

LofJ · Post #1271 » by **LofJ** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:36 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:
LofJ wrote:With 3 of the remaining 4 teams in the playoffs arguably being led by bigs as their best players I think it's now more likely that the Warriors will take Wiseman at 2.

That means whoever the Wolves don't take out of Edwards, Ball, and Avdjia will be there at 3.

Maybe. They still have the 17 million Iguodala TPE they can use and a potential Wiggins trade. They could just as well address the center spot with either of those.

I have a hard time seeing how Wiseman could stand up to AD in the playoffs as a rookie. Sure he would help, especially long term if he develops well, but as for winning next year? I have my doubts.

Yeah, the Warriors are in a spot where tough decisions will have to be made. If they want to compete now they don't have the luxury of waiting for teenagers to develop. It isn't possible for them to have their cake and eat it too.

MasterIchiro · Post #1272 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:04 pm

I lean towards the Warriors drafting a more finished product like Toppin or Avdija but I can see them defying that pressure and developing Edwards if he falls. They're never caught up in the moment. That front office seems to be locked at the forefront of trends. They can afford to stash Edwards on the bench next year and still compete for a title. As mentioned, they also have that Wolves 2021 pick. That might look closer to being a real gem as the season progresses and the deadline approaches. And it won't be like you can pry it for scraps after they just proved they will spend high picks on high upside prospects like Edwards who need a couple years. You can't get leverage on them because they can go in either direction. I don't think they're painted into a corner like the Sixers or Clippers. Those teams are trapped in the moment and have to win now with their current rosters. Bucks are on the verge of peaking as well. Pacers.

316Hornets · Post #1273 » by **316Hornets** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:37 pm

I believe with 100% certainty the Warriors will trade the pick. You don't tank in the middle of a dynasty to rebuild or develop a teenager. They wanted to add an asset to help get them a star to fill the void of Durant.

They have Curry, Klay, Green locked up and they are all entering the late stage of their prime years. When you have a team with that much history of success, you go all out. Even if your team is in the shadows for 20 years afterwards, people will still remember a dynasty that compares to MJ's Bulls. There will be merchandise sales, tv, movie, the whole shebang.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1274 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:43 pm

316Hornets wrote:I believe with 100% certainty the Warriors will trade the pick. You don't tank in the middle of a dynasty to rebuild or develop a teenager. They wanted to add an asset to help get them a star to fill the void of Durant.

I'm not so certain. Sure they might do that.

What I keep hearing is that they want to start laying the foundation for the post-Steph/Klay/Dray future. Sure they want to win again, but we all saw how bad the rest of the team was without those guys.

I'm also of the opinion that you don't want a team of just older guys. Having someone decent with young legs is good for the long season.

JMAC3 · Post #1275 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:39 am

They can’t really afford another star player making the max. They are way way over the cap now. I mean I’m sure they could find a way, but if they can get a borderline allstar player at 2 in year 3/4 that is making 5-7 million that’s how they win another ship in my mind.

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HornetJail · Post #1276 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:01 pm

JMAC3 wrote:They can’t really afford another star player making the max. They are way way over the cap now. I mean I’m sure they could find a way, but if they can get a borderline allstar player at 2 in year 3/4 that is making 5-7 million that’s how they win another ship in my mind.

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If they are willing to pay the luxury tax, they have the pieces to stretch their dollar ($17M Iggy TPE), Wiggins' max contract, and two valuable picks. I think they're better suited to bring in 4-5 good rotation players with those assets rather than blow it all on one guy and a couple bench pieces, because of how incredibly shallow they are behind Curry/Klay/Draymond and Paschall.

UNCNYC · Post #1277 » by **UNCNYC** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:45 am

This draft just found a way to get DEEPER as if that were possible. Here is another player who I have begun to like as of about a week or 2 ago and thats Desmond Bane. At first I thought he was a bit stiff but he brings a lot to the table. He drives and finds open guys as well as is a knock down shooter. I wouldn't take him at 32 (because I have Joe and Alexander as locks for there) but if there at 56 he will be considered

Watch on YouTube

Braggins · Post #1278 » by **Braggins** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:57 pm

UNCNYC wrote:This draft just found a way to get DEEPER as if that were possible. Here is another player who I have begun to like as of about a week or 2 ago and thats Desmond Bane. At first I thought he was a bit stiff but he brings a lot to the table. He drives and finds open guys as well as is a knock down shooter. I wouldn't take him at 32 (because I have Joe and Alexander as locks for there) but if there at 56 he will be considered

Watch on YouTube

Decent chance he isn't there at 32. No way hes available at 56. He'd be my choice at 32 if he does make it there.

UNCNYC · Post #1279 » by **UNCNYC** » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:22 pm

As of today here is who I would take

PICK 3 - Tyrell Terry, Killian Hayes, Devin Vassell, LaMelo Ball

PICK 32 - Isaiah Joe, Ty'shon Alexander

PICK 56 - LaMar Stevens, Paul Reed, CJ Elleby, Rayshaun Hammonds, K. Doolitle, Reggie Perry

HornetJail · Post #1280 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:06 pm

my current draft board is looking like this:

Wiseman
Edwards
Okungwu
Haliburton

Anything outside of those 4, I would unequivocally trade down into the 5-8 range for literally any asset at all. I don't care if it's a pair of 2nds, but I have no preference after the top 4, and if anybody becomes more than a run of the mill starter, I am happy.
Toppin
Vassell
Avdija
Hayes

LaMelo Ball is somewhere outside of the lottery. Someone for the love of god, please explain to me why he is considered a good prospect in an era where being a bad shooter, a bad defender, and a subpar athlete is basically a one-way ticket to the bench on any good team.