Fake Trade Thread #3

bravor · Post #1261 » by **bravor** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:51 pm

I dont remember a single player in nba history (well, mine starts with MJ i m not gonna lie) who could carry his team to the finale and get the ring.
This teams needs its second alpha, obviously in the frontcourt. And couple good drafts (much better than last year seconds, i am still pissed at Kupchak not picking Tillman, he is a legit defensive rotation and was obviously nba ready) for potential all star(s).

The same poeple who wants to compete now are the ones who enjoyed a good lottery pick. Ball is a good story, but most likely next year people will look at Cunningham, Mobley and alike, knowing some of the 2021 high draftees will probably perform well enough especially if he lands in the worst teams (Pistons, Minny etc). And if those teams do a '2020/21 Hornets' you dont need to be Einstein to guess where the attention will be

And again, its even more critical considering flexibility. This team needs more legit prospects on rookie contracts since they have to retain the most promising prospects (Monk, PJ or even Graham). Consolidate assets in other words.

JMAC3 · Post #1262 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:48 pm

LaMelo as a rising star with Rozier and Hayward as sidekicks is a really good team. Obviously we can still upgrade certain spots, but this team is not as far off as some try to get you to think. We have 8 guys averaging over 9 ppg.

It's funny to think back a few months people arguing that we needed to tank again for a top 3 pick.

Terry turns 27 tomorrow, not sure why people are trying to trade him as he is entering his prime. His contract next year is looking like a steal. The fact that so many teams would be interested in him goes to show how valuable he is.

Soul Rebel · Post #1263 » by **Soul Rebel** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:45 pm

Read on Twitter

Though not in the headline, we are mentioned in the article. Sounds like Indy is hesitant...rightfully so. This is the 5 that we need.

Rays Pompadour · Post #1264 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:55 pm

I think several things are becoming clear:

Terry Rozier won't be traded
LaMelo Ball is legit
Defense is a big issue
Biyombo would be an ideal third center for spot minutes and matchups
The Hornets STILL need a backup to Cody Zeller, and that's been obvious for a long time
It's great to be relevant again
Trading for Bagley won't happen now that he broke his hand

Still unclear...

Will Kupchak make the needed trade?
Will Borrego ever move away from the zone?
A legit backup to Zeller
Shooting at the 3 behind Hayward
If the Hornets have earned any respect

Potential trade targets on shorter contracts-

Gorgui Dieng
Javale McGee
Naz Reid
Trey Lyles (still love this guy's length)
Moritz Wagner
George Hill

Some free agents who might help

Demarcus Cousins
Glenn Robinson III
Dewayne Dedmon (why isn't Kupchak kicking this guy's tires?)
Jordan Bell
The ghost of Kyle Korver

LofJ · Post #1265 » by **LofJ** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:06 pm

Soul Rebel wrote:

Read on Twitter

Though not in the headline, we are mentioned in the article. Sounds like Indy is hesitant...rightfully so. This is the 5 that we need.

If only we had drafted Turner over Frank. We probably would have if Kupchak had been the GM back then. That said I think the price we'd have to pay to get Indiana to trade him is likely too high.

Soul Rebel · Post #1266 » by **Soul Rebel** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:12 pm

LofJ wrote:
Soul Rebel wrote:

Read on Twitter

Though not in the headline, we are mentioned in the article. Sounds like Indy is hesitant...rightfully so. This is the 5 that we need.

If only we had drafted Turner over Frank. We probably would have if Kupchak had been the GM back then. That said I think the price we'd have to pay to get Indiana to trade him is likely too high.

PJ, Zeller, Graham + 1st rounder get it done?

Ball
Scary
GH
Bridges
Turner

Braggins · Post #1267 » by **Braggins** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:20 pm

I wouldn't trade PJ or a 1st round pick by themselves for Myles Turner. Giving up both + Zeller and Graham is completely outrageous.

Soul Rebel · Post #1268 » by **Soul Rebel** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:31 pm

Braggins wrote:I wouldn't trade PJ or a 1st round pick by themselves for Myles Turner. Giving up both + Zeller and Graham is completely outrageous.

I thought Myles was a highly desired 5....maybe I'm overvaluing him a bit.

Braggins · Post #1269 » by **Braggins** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:47 pm

Soul Rebel wrote:
Braggins wrote:I wouldn't trade PJ or a 1st round pick by themselves for Myles Turner. Giving up both + Zeller and Graham is completely outrageous.

I thought Myles was a highly desired 5....maybe I'm overvaluing him a bit.

Hes about two and a half years older than PJ and here is their per36 numbers comparison.

PJ - 15.5/7.7/3.7/1.3/1.4 - 45.5%/39.7%/79.8%
MT - 15.2/7.6/1.1/1.1/3.9 - 48.5%/31.3%/77.8%

Turner is a much better rim protector, but PJ is a much better passer and is roughly equal or better than Turner at just about everything except rim protection and hes two years younger. PJ + Zeller + Graham + 1st is more like a package you offer for Vucevic and I personally wouldn't even do that for Vuc (although thats probably the kind of market value he has). It would be nice to have Turner, but not at anywhere near that cost imo.

LofJ · Post #1270 » by **LofJ** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:55 pm

If Indiana won't accept Zeller, Graham, and a lightly protected 1st then we should walk away. Turner is a great fit, but it makes no sense to weaken ourselves in other areas to get him. If they ask for PJ then there isn't a deal to be had.

Braggins · Post #1271 » by **Braggins** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:38 pm

LofJ wrote:If Indiana won't accept Zeller, Graham, and a lightly protected 1st then we should walk away.

I honestly wouldn't even trade that much for him. I'm not convinced swapping Graham/Zeller for him moves the needle much, if at all, so I'd really not be into also giving up a 1st round pick.

Post #1272 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:00 pm

Soul Rebel wrote:
Braggins wrote:I wouldn't trade PJ or a 1st round pick by themselves for Myles Turner. Giving up both + Zeller and Graham is completely outrageous.

I thought Myles was a highly desired 5....maybe I'm overvaluing him a bit.

I don't think that you are if we're talking about what IND would demand to trade Turner.

geraldwallace · Post #1273 » by **geraldwallace** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:07 pm

I think Turner is the perfect big for this team,

Cody + First with maybe Devonte would probably be as far as I go though

Hornet Mania · Post #1274 » by **Hornet Mania** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:16 pm

Yeah, I co-sign what a few others have said. Zeller + Graham + 1st is a fair offer for Turner. Giving up PJ, Miles or Monk on top of that would be taking away more production than Turner is going to add.

It's understandable if Indy demands more but if that's the case I'd rather roll with who we have and address C in the offseason. We'll have plenty of cap space and if the mock drafts are any indication no C other than Mobley is coming off the board before picks 15-20 which is exactly our range. We don't have to sell out for a big right this very minute.

I don't want to trade anyone aside from expirings (Zeller/Biz) or one of the logjam at guard who isn't Terry (Graham/Monk). I'd like to see what offers combos of those players + a 1st round pick get. Otherwise I like the growth I've seen, especially now that PJ is in shape, and I feel like we're in a strong position to improve from within the next couple of years and don't need a giant shakeup now.

amcoolio · Post #1275 » by **amcoolio** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:42 pm

I would be careful on Turner. He's not the lob catching pick and roll big that LaMelo needs and I think you can find Turners in the mid first round and we have our all picks to do so. But no doubt he's an upgrade over what we have.

stinger14 · Post #1276 » by **stinger14** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:53 pm

amcoolio wrote:I would be careful on Turner. He's not the lob catching pick and roll big that LaMelo needs and I think you can find Turners in the mid first round and we have our all picks to do so. But no doubt he's an upgrade over what we have.

Yes! I mean you would be trading for a rim protecting big that stretches the floor. But that floor stretching part is a bit overrated with him sitting at 31% from deep

Braggins · Post #1277 » by **Braggins** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:05 pm

amcoolio wrote:I would be careful on Turner. He's not the lob catching pick and roll big that LaMelo needs

Yeah, hes really not that good of a fit imo. Its a big plus that hes the best in the league at one of our biggest weaknesses (rim protection), but hes not actually a good rebounder or switchable. Hes not much of a rim runner or lob threat on offense and mostly just stands at the 3pt line, where he shoots a mediocre percentage, and we really don't need the shooting that much. The three things they really need from the center position that they don't have elsewhere are rim protection, rebounding, and rim running / lob catching, and he really only checks one of those boxes.

LaMelo is 19. They don't need to be in such a hurry to do something about the center position that they are trading 1st round picks + valuable depth for an above average but not great player like Turner. I'd rather them just use their mid 1st this season on a center prospect unless an actual good deal becomes available. They can find a cheaper stop gap solution if they really need to.

Rays Pompadour · Post #1278 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:16 pm

Getting a sense that the Hornets value their talent more than the league, and I think that's a good thing. Doesn't make it easy to make a trade, though.

Post #1279 » by **JDR720** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:23 pm

Myles + McDermott + McConnell + LeVert for Miles + Cody + Rozier + 1st

The Mc's are both expiring. Cody and Graham are expiring. LeVert has a 1yr longer contract that Rozier.

Basically it's....

Swapping expiring contracts.
Swapping Rozier -> LeVert
Miles + 1st for Myles

A much simpler version is just Miles + Cody + 1st for Myles.

HornetJail · Post #1280 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:28 pm

JDR720 wrote:Myles + McDermott + McConnell + LeVert for Miles + Cody + Rozier + 1st

The Mc's are both expiring. Cody and Graham are expiring. LeVert has a 1yr longer contract that Rozier.

Basically it's....

Swapping expiring contracts.
Swapping Rozier -> LeVert
Miles + 1st for Myles

A much simpler version is just Miles + Cody + 1st for Myles.

I'd pass on that LeVert/Rozier swap. LeVert has had a laundry list of injury issues, and has been Boston Rozier levels of inefficient his entire career with no real sign of that improving. He's also the same age as Rozier, so there's not even really the upside factor.

Miles + Cody + 1st + something small for Turner is fair enough