The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[Nanogeek]

Cho got a man-crush over this guy and we gave up a pick to get him

No, we gave up a pick to get Tyrus

Yes, we did give up a pick to get Biyombo. We gave up Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston and the 2011 #19 pick (Tobias Harris) to get Biyombo and Corey Maggette. The #19 pick was a pick we received from the Blazers as part of the package for Gerald Wallace.

[BlackOutBuzz]

You can't say we traded the 19th pick for Biz, it was 19 and players for 7 and Mags. If you wanna get technical then we drafted Harris and swapped him for Biz, but the trade was about the picks.

[SWedd523]

Cho got a man-crush over this guy and we gave up a pick to get him

No, we gave up a pick to get Tyrus

Yes, we did give up a pick to get Biyombo. We gave up Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston and the 2011 #19 pick (Tobias Harris) to get Biyombo and Corey Maggette. The #19 pick was a pick we received from the Blazers as part of the package for Gerald Wallace.

No. We didn't give up a pick. We traded a pick for a different (better) one.


We gave up a pick to get Tyrus.

[fatlever]

look at it this way, we traded jax (washed up), livingston (barely still in league) and #19 (tobias harris) for biz, ben gordon and a future pick from the pistons. when i think about it like that it makes me feel better.

then again, we could have stayed at 19 and taken faried and then traded jax later that summer for a pick and player.

[BigSlam]

then again, we could have stayed at 19 and taken faried and then traded jax later that summer for a pick and player.

We also could have taken Kemba #7 and Vučević #9

[Eoghan]

Be honest, pretend that instead of Biz we drafted any other big like Faried, Vucevic, Motiejunas, whoever and how much chittier their stats and play would be on this team of godawful players and inexperience. Would our future be really that much brighter?

[HornetJail]

Look at Vucevic. He's playing for Orlando. He's the only player on the roster who even understands the concept of rebounding. The difference: he wasn't nearly as raw when drafted.

I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but we knew when we drafted him that he was going to be terrible for a while. Without any sort of prior coaching ever, we all knew very well his first couple seasons were going to be pretty rough. He exceeded my expectations last year (by not spending half of it in the D-League, and the other half on the bench with foul trouble) and he's been similar if not marginally better this year. Don't act like he hasn't shown brief flashes of brilliance. I still stand by my opinion that there are very few players picked after him that I'd want instead.

[catch20two]

Be honest, pretend that instead of Biz we drafted any other big like Faried, Vucevic, Motiejunas, whoever and how much chittier their stats and play would be on this team of godawful players and inexperience. Would our future be really that much brighter?

Nikola Vucevic - We would have a competent scorer in the post with size. Vucevic showed to have post moves and a skill set even at USC before turning pro.

Kenneth Faried - We would have a dominant rebounder and a lock at PF as a starter for years to come. His post offense and midrange jump shot would likely be criticized among some of us on the board but at least he would've been able to make contested and uncontested layups at a decent percentage unlike Biyombo.

Donatas Motiejunas - We would have our stretch 4 to complement Kemba and MKG slashing ability instead of experimenting with Mullens.

Our future would appear to be brighter sooner, but Biyombo is still young and raw enough to prove us doubters wrong and that's what I'm hoping. I've seen Larry Sanders on the Bucks turn it around this year to become a impact defensive player with blocks and rebounds so I'm sure Biyombo could do the same in a few years if we have patience and he has it in him, but you can't be mad at us for being worried about Biyombo's prospects after what he's shown so far.

[Eoghan]

None of those guys would have been putting up close to the stats they have now if they played for us. I don't think you realize how hard it is to play with a washed up stiff that can't rotate as your best frontcourt mate, an anorexic shot jacking stretch 4 with awful IQ, a washed up stretch 4 that relies only on athleticism and a spotty fade-away and can't rebound to save his life, a horribly undersized D-league 4, and a trey-jacking 7' white guy who sadly was our most consistent rebounder before he got injured.

Biz sucks at offense, that's not news to anybody, he learned how to play basketball in Africa and the Middle East. But if you look closely, you'll see that he is constantly guarding 2 players on defense b/c nobody outside of MKG and Kemba plays ANY.

[catch20two]

None of those guys would have been putting up close to the stats they have now if they played for us. I don't think you realize how hard it is to play with a washed up stiff that can't rotate as your best frontcourt mate, an anorexic shot jacking stretch 4 with awful IQ, a washed up stretch 4 that relies only on athleticism and a spotty fade-away and can't rebound to save his life, a horribly undersized D-league 4, and a trey-jacking 7' white guy who sadly was our most consistent rebounder before he got injured.

Biz sucks at offense, that's not news to anybody, he learned how to play basketball in Africa and the Middle East. But if you look closely, you'll see that he is constantly guarding 2 players on defense b/c nobody outside of MKG and Kemba plays ANY.

I'm sure Vucevic would still have a post game if he played for us, Faried would still know how to rebound missed shots, and Motiejunas would still know how to shoot open shots as a stretch 4. You say that none of those guys would have been able to put up close to their numbers on our team then imagine how much of a hit Kemba's numbers are taking playing with our depleted frontcourt and inconsistent scoring wings. I'm just saying that we need to stop making excuses for Biyombo. This is the NBA. If he's not ready then maybe he should be in the D-League like every other young and raw player that's not ready. He's looking like trash with very few glimpses of hope in between. I understand that we're tanking and all but our savior for the future shouldn't be looking like our tank commander. Andre Drummond is raw. Enes Kanter is raw. Bismack Biyombo is unthawed.

[Kembastockton]

No one knew that Faried would be as good as he is coming out of college. He was a skinny undersized kid who wasn't particularly athletic. The draft is always a crap shoot. We drafted Biz then for the same reason we support him now. His youth and potential to play defense are through the roof. Who cares if he hasn't shown much improvement yet? Biz doesn't even turn 21 until the month before training camp starts this fall! There are kids in the draft this summer older than he is.

[KembaWalker]

Kenneth Faried..skinny?

[Kembastockton]

Kenneth Faried..skinny?

My bad. I forgot that he was only 6'7 not 6'9. 220 is pretty ripped for 6'7.

[BigSlam]

Kenneth Faried..not particularly athletic?

[catch20two]

No one knew that Faried would be as good as he is coming out of college.

Everybody knew that Faried would be able to rebound and hustle if not anything else in the NBA. The question marks on him coming out of college are still the same question marks for him in the pros and that's the fact that he is raw offensively, not the type of player that you give the ball in a halfcourt set and expect results.

[amcoolio]

Both Faried and Leonard would not play nearly as well if they were here instead of their playoff, HOF coached teams. Put Kemba on the Knicks or Spurs or Nuggets and I bet he is an all star averaging 20/8/2 on 46% shooting 38% from 3. Hell Sessions was a 50%/40% shooter on the Lakers last season and look where he is now. Not taking into account surroundings is one of many RealGM posters biggest flaws.

[catch20two]

Both Faried and Leonard would not play nearly as well if they were here instead of their playoff, HOF coached teams. Put Kemba on the Knicks or Spurs or Nuggets and I bet he is an all star averaging 20/8/2 on 46% shooting 38% from 3. Hell Sessions was a 50%/40% shooter on the Lakers last season and look where he is now. Not taking into account surroundings is one of many RealGM posters biggest flaws.

I can't argue with this. I don't regret us taking a high risk/reward chance on Bismack Biyombo versus taking on role players like Faried and Leonard, so I won't argue that. My stance on Biyombo as of today is just that I'm losing hope for him. I thought he would be able to finish around the basket better than he's shown.

[Kembastockton]

No one knew that Faried would be as good as he is coming out of college.

Everybody knew that Faried would be able to rebound and hustle if not anything else in the NBA. The question marks on him coming out of college are still the same question marks for him in the pros and that's the fact that he is raw offensively, not the type of player that you give the ball in a halfcourt set and expect results.

If everybody expected Kenneth to average 12 and 10 he would not have slid all the way down to twenty-two.

[catch20two]

No one knew that Faried would be as good as he is coming out of college.

Everybody knew that Faried would be able to rebound and hustle if not anything else in the NBA. The question marks on him coming out of college are still the same question marks for him in the pros and that's the fact that he is raw offensively, not the type of player that you give the ball in a halfcourt set and expect results.

If everybody expected Kenneth to average 12 and 10 he would not have slid all the way down to twenty-two.

With starter minutes, I had no doubt that Faried would average at least double-digit rebounds being that he was considered the greatest rebounder in the country coming out of college. As far as his scoring, I would've never guessed that he could average double figures on mostly hustle points alone but he was scouted as a tough player with a big-time motor so it's within reason.

There's really no need to debate whether Biyombo was the right pick or not because I would've chosen him myself over the latter with that #7 pick as well. All I'm saying is that I'm beginning to get concerned with his progress even if my worries might be premature and that I wouldn't pass up on a player like Nerlens Noel on cloudy hopes of expecting Biyombo to pan out.

As a Bobcats fan I'm not going to ignore the fact that Biyombo hasn't been looking like much of a professional player. Everyone on the team is entitled to criticism from MKG to Kemba.

[Eoghan]

I'm sure Vucevic would still have a post game if he played for us, Faried would still know how to rebound missed shots, and Motiejunas would still know how to shoot open shots as a stretch 4. You say that none of those guys would have been able to put up close to their numbers on our team then imagine how much of a hit Kemba's numbers are taking playing with our depleted frontcourt and inconsistent scoring wings. I'm just saying that we need to stop making excuses for Biyombo. This is the NBA. If he's not ready then maybe he should be in the D-League like every other young and raw player that's not ready. He's looking like trash with very few glimpses of hope in between. I understand that we're tanking and all but our savior for the future shouldn't be looking like our tank commander. Andre Drummond is raw. Enes Kanter is raw. Bismack Biyombo is unthawed.

Funny you mention Kemba. Remember how bad he was last year? A big reason for that? He played with DJ Augustine who sucked, Hendo had no 3 pt shot, Matt Carroll, injured/sucky Reggie Williams, offense killing Maggette, and GOAT Cory Higgins. All while playing under a coach infamous for being really bad at coaching guards, Paul Silas. Now he has Dunlap catering the offense to him and guys that can create their own offense in Sessions and Gordon and voila! He looks a 1000x better. Extremely few players can rise above their chitty teammates, especially the ones they share defensive rotations with. Biz on the other hand has been surrounded by trash his whole career. Actually, the best big Biz has ever played with was Boris Diaw.

Haywood isn't making Biz better or job easier, Tyrus surely isn't, Diop surely isn't, Warrick surely isn't, and I doubt Rob Werdann would be considered in the top half of best big men coaches in the league.

How can you expect a player to learn how to block, defend, rebound and score if you surround him with players that can hardly do any of those either?