The Trade Thread

James Gatz · Post #1281 » by **James Gatz** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:13 pm

dmutombo321 wrote:I think they can do better than Biyombo for their allstar caliber 28yo PF.

Jefferson is still every bit a 20/10 PF. His numbers are down slightly only because he splits post offense with Milsap now and also plays 3-4 mins less per game to allow Favors/Kanter to split time.

Why is everyone saying Jefferson is a PF? He spends the vast majority of the time at 5.

Leolovinliberal · Post #1282 » by **Leolovinliberal** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:00 pm

James Gatz wrote:
dmutombo321 wrote:I think they can do better than Biyombo for their allstar caliber 28yo PF.

Jefferson is still every bit a 20/10 PF. His numbers are down slightly only because he splits post offense with Milsap now and also plays 3-4 mins less per game to allow Favors/Kanter to split time.

Why is everyone saying Jefferson is a PF? He spends the vast majority of the time at 5.

Only because he plays on the Jazz and Milsap is the pf. On most other teams AJ would be a pf.

JMAC3 · Post #1283 » by **JMAC3** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:06 pm

I would not trade for Jefferson period. I would rather just wait for him to be a free agent this summer and give it our best go to sign him. Why risk trading pieces for him and then him leaving...

If we get him in free agency then we get him, if doesnt sign here at least we dont lose anything and can move onto a new guy.

James Gatz · Post #1284 » by **James Gatz** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:29 pm

Leolovinliberal wrote:
James Gatz wrote:
dmutombo321 wrote:I think they can do better than Biyombo for their allstar caliber 28yo PF.

Jefferson is still every bit a 20/10 PF. His numbers are down slightly only because he splits post offense with Milsap now and also plays 3-4 mins less per game to allow Favors/Kanter to split time.

Why is everyone saying Jefferson is a PF? He spends the vast majority of the time at 5.

Only because he plays on the Jazz and Milsap is the pf. On most other teams AJ would be a pf.

He's too slow to play the 4 full time.

Badd_Intentions · Post #1285 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:58 pm

Doubt Jefferson would sign here long term....I wouldn't trade for him unless we are assured otherwise.

Post #1286 » by **Diop** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:24 am

I wonder if Eric Gordon is truly on the move.

I don't think we would have the assets we're willing to give up and he would sulk here, like he does there.

We would have to be the highest bidder for Jefferson to sign here. So the questions are:

Would you pay max for Jefferson?

Would any other team pay max?

Badd_Intentions · Post #1287 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:36 am

The max for Jefferson would be a huge mistake IMO. And I don't trust Gordon's knee.

amcoolio · Post #1288 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:39 am

Its a wonder Utah is just a fringe playoff team with the mercurial Al Jefferson

Post #1289 » by **Diop** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:48 am

amcoolio wrote:Its a wonder Utah is just a fringe playoff team with the mercurial Al Jefferson

not trying to defend or hype up Jefferson at all, BUT, Utah have been starting Jamaal Tinsley and Randy Foye for large parts of the season.

Fringe playoff team is a fair achievement.

catch20two · Post #1290 » by **catch20two** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:53 am

No top free-agent is going to sign with the Bobcats unless they offered the max. I understand that some of us want to be optimistic but the truth is that we are the laughingstock of the NBA. If any player consider us as a viable destination then it's because we might be willing to overpay.

Eoghan · Post #1291 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:49 am

Al Jefferson is also a horrible defender.

amcoolio · Post #1292 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:57 am

catch20two wrote:No top free-agent is going to sign with the Bobcats unless they offered the max. I understand that some of us want to be optimistic but the truth is that we are the laughingstock of the NBA. If any player consider us as a viable destination then it's because we might be willing to overpay.

I don't think so. That is just painted by the media/ESPN. Money is money. Also Sessions signed here when he could have gone to plenty of places. Reggie Williams too even though he didn't pan out.

Regardless free agency should only be an option for a team needing compliments to start contending for a title, not for a team that is clearly the worst just to try to get out of the cellar and tread water. And it seems like 80% of all free agent signings end up being regretted almost immediately and cost front office jobs.

catch20two · Post #1293 » by **catch20two** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:08 am

Let's be real. Both Ramon Sessions and Reggie Williams signed here expecting golden opportunities to start. It had nothing to do with giving us a bargain.

MasterIchiro · Post #1294 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:34 pm

I think Jordan is going to surprise us but hasn't yet because we're not quite ready to catapult out of a rebuild. It would be premature. But you might see one guy now - maybe Al Jefferson - and more to come later. Jordan's brand is still very popular among young athletes all over the world. Walk into any major outlet selling athletic gear and his shoes, shirts and other stuff are all over the walls. With his name brand, network and reach, he's capable of opening a vault and generating publicity/buzz on cue. But the timing has to be embedded somewhere in the plan. I just think we haven't quite reached that phase. As long as the Bobcats are using American currency they can lure big names when they decide to compete for them. So far, I have not noticed a single free agent who has turned down more money in Charlotte to go play someplace else. Can anyone name one?

catch20two · Post #1295 » by **catch20two** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:49 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:As long as the Bobcats are using American currency they can lure big names when they decide to compete for them. So far, I have not noticed a single free agent who has turned down more money in Charlotte to go play someplace else. Can anyone name one?

Stop. Now in the Bobcats entire 8 years of existence I can't remember one big name free-agent that has ever signed with them. Gerald Wallace's re-signing doesn't count and that's if you want to consider him a big name. With that said the past two seasons hasn't exactly changed the team's perception for the better if not made it worst since they were the worst team in NBA history less than a year ago.

MasterIchiro · Post #1296 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:24 pm

Well I guess you could speculate that a free agent will spurn more money in Charlotte to go play somewhere else but it wouldn't be based on any single established, documented precedent.

James Gatz · Post #1297 » by **James Gatz** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:33 pm

So far, I have not noticed a single free agent who has turned down more money in Charlotte to go play someplace else. Can anyone name one?

Well just last offseason Kris Humphries, Antawn Jamison, and Carl Landry.

MasterIchiro · Post #1298 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:35 pm

Did Charlotte make an official offer in any of these cases?

James Gatz · Post #1299 » by **James Gatz** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:36 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Did Charlotte make an official offer in any of these cases?

For the first two they definitely did. I'm unsure about Landry.

MasterIchiro · Post #1300 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:44 pm

I'd need to see links to reports of the official offer for Humphries, Jamison and/or Landry and I'd need to see that those offers were a better value both in terms of dollars and years. Humphries got 24 million dollars, and the Bobcats outbid that figure?