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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1281 » by BatumtheGlue » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:14 pm

Braggins wrote:
BatumtheGlue wrote:Stat wise my team may get no love. But what about fit? What about floor spacing? What about versatility on defence?

I also couldn't understand why Pippen is not better than Leonard. And the only 2 things Kemp is better than Green are his dunk and a lot of baby mommas. Miller and Richmond are even in my eyes.

I thought your team was well built in terms of fit, spacing, and defense. I thought your biggest strengths were defense and balance. I had your defense ranked third behind Yosemite and Esal.I think Pippen gets underrated because people assume he was carried by Jordan and Isiah gets underrated because so many people disliked the Bad Boys. Richmond and Draymond are really good fits with your main two guys. Im not too familiar with Cowens, so it was kind of hard for me to gauge how he fits, but his stats suggest some serious talent. Your team kind of reminded me of Esals in terms of makeup, but I felt like he had a little more defense and shooting. Also, Thomas/Pippen are great, but when it came down to it I felt like they weren't quite on the level of some of the other big two/three's people had (KAJ/Bird/Wade, Lebron/Reggie, Durant/Dirk/Shaq, Magic/Moses). Your only real "weakness" I saw was that you didn't have a Lebron/MJ/KAJ level player on your team.

Fair enough. I kinda regret I didn't pick prime KAJ with my All NBA pick.
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1282 » by fatlever » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:20 pm

Did we ever get a final vote tally?

Do you guys have objections to using ESALs whatif sims as one of the votes? If that's OK, maybe he can do a quick sim of Diop vs Fat for 3rd place.
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1283 » by James Gatz » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:51 pm

Final Vote Count
Note: Does not factor amcoolio as I wasn't sure what his top 3 were or ESAL computer simulation.

Gatz: 14
Coolio: 11
ESAL: 11
Fats: 10
Yose: 8
Diop: 8
Ian: 4
Lamar: 3
BTG: 2
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1284 » by LamarMatic7 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:26 pm

So ESAL spends all this time writing up such beautiful recaps of games he supposedly simmed. And somehow he ends up being the winner?

Rigged.
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1285 » by Diop » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:48 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:So ESAL spends all this time writing up such beautiful recaps of games he supposedly simmed. And somehow he ends up being the winner?

Rigged.

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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1286 » by Diop » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:49 pm

fatlever wrote:Did we ever get a final vote tally?

Do you guys have objections to using ESALs whatif sims as one of the votes? If that's OK, maybe he can do a quick sim of Diop vs Fat for 3rd place.

probably a good idea as a win for you puts you in the top 3, i think??
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1287 » by Braggins » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:56 pm

Im ready for Esal vs. Yosemite
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1288 » by fatlever » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:01 am

James Gatz wrote:Final Vote Count
Note: Does not factor amcoolio as I wasn't sure what his top 3 were or ESAL computer simulation.

Gatz: 14
Coolio: 11
ESAL: 11
Fats: 10
Yose: 8
Diop: 8
Ian: 4
Lamar: 3
BTG: 2


Thanks Gatz.

Coolio, when you get a minute can you clarify your top 3 votes. Last we heard from Coolio he had Fats vs ESAL in his playoff finals with Lamar and Ian fighting for 3rd place. Looks like the top 3 votes will be decided by Coolio's votes, knocking himself out of the top since Fats would get 2-3 pts and ESAL would get 2-3 points putting both ahead of Coolio. Cruel. Lamar vs Ian for 3rd would not impact any voting.
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Post#1289 » by yosemiteben » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:17 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:So ESAL spends all this time writing up such beautiful recaps of games he supposedly simmed. And somehow he ends up being the winner?

Rigged.

To be fair though anyone that puts that much effort in deserves a few fake votes.
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1290 » by SWedd523 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:22 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:So ESAL spends all this time writing up such beautiful recaps of games he supposedly simmed. And somehow he ends up being the winner?

Rigged.

Right after Gatz tallies the votes and comes out in first place. :devil:
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1291 » by EwingSweatsALot » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:33 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:So ESAL spends all this time writing up such beautiful recaps of games he supposedly simmed. And somehow he ends up being the winner?

Rigged.


I seriously considered removing myself as a whole from it or just forfeiting my playoff spot because of this.
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1292 » by EwingSweatsALot » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:39 am

fatlever wrote:Did we ever get a final vote tally?

Do you guys have objections to using ESALs whatif sims as one of the votes? If that's OK, maybe he can do a quick sim of Diop vs Fat for 3rd place.


I don't care if the sim is in or not. I already put in my personal vote for it. If people want the sim in then great. If not that's fine and I could understand why.

I just find it interesting to see how it plays out.

The shocker of it all, is not that Yosemite beat you in the semis, but that he was 5th place to begin with.

Salaries 3-9 ranged from 69.8M - 75.3M.

Then you had me at well above at 80.3M.

But Yosemite was even higher at 84.3M.

How he finished 5th with that huge discrepancy in salary( which is determined by play), I'll never know.
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1293 » by EwingSweatsALot » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:40 am

Braggins wrote:Im ready for Esal vs. Yosemite


Gonna try my best tonight. Got a teething baby in the house so it might get tricky.
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1294 » by Flip Murray » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:44 am

RIGGED. RUINED.

The only fair way to proceed now would be to give it to whatever team didn't get any votes because you no that person didn't rig. Somebody just go back and figure out who didn't get any votes I don't have time to look.
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1295 » by Flip Murray » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:46 am

[quote="EwingSweatsALot"]WIS PLAY IN ROUND SIM

OVERVIEW

4th Seed Ian hosts 5th Seed Yosemite in a seven game series (2-2-1-1-1) for the right to play the 1 see Fats. This series main story line is the greatest of all time facing off against the man trying to take that title from him. Jordan vs LeBron might be the match up of the year and we are getting that in the Play In Round. You can't ask for much more than that. Both teams have a similar build with with one of the greatest players of all time, a strong front line, and a heady ball dispersing point guard.
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With those similarities it is no surprise that they split the season series, both teams winning a game on the road. The one thing that is shocking is that Ian's average margin of victory was 5.5 points while Yosemite's was 20.0 points. Can Ian hang around and battle out for 7 games if he is going to win close or will Yosemite continue his blowouts and decimate the will of Ian's team? Only time will tell and hopefully that time is 7 games of pure basketball porn with a match up for the ages with MJ and LBJ.

GAME 1

IAN TURNS THE TABLES ON YOSEMITE AND TAKES GAME 1 WITH A 106 - 89 BLOWOUT WIN

    Led by Shawn Kemp's 19 points and 13 boards (Player of the Game) and two more double doubles from Alonzo Mourning and Jason Kidd, Ian jumped out to a 21 point lead at half and never looked back. Michael Jordan added a 13/7/7 and Lamar Odom contributed 11 and 9 off the bench.

    Reggie Miller dropped in 23 for Yosemite, but LeBron only adds in 15 points, 7 assists, and 1 board. When LeBron isn't at his best, Yosemite is going to struggle to keep up and that is exactly what happened in Game 1.

GAME 2

IAN CONTINUES HIS DOMINANCE IN THE SERIES AND TAKES A 2-0 LEAD WITH A 129 - 110 WIN

    Shawn Kemp just can't be stopped. He racks up his 2nd POG award in as many games with another 19 and 13 performance. Kidd gets his second double double of the series while Michael Jordan seems to be buying his time with an underwhelming performance in Game 2.

    LeBron James fared better in Game 2 with a 22/4/6/3/2 performance, but when you lose by 19, most people just don't care. We thought this series was going to be a battle of 2 of the greatest players to ever play and just like this series so far it has been a disappointment.

    For the second straight game, Yosemite has been out shot and out rebounded by double digits. That's an easy recipe for the teo blowout losses.

GAME 3

DOWN 18 TO START THE 4TH QUARTER, YOSEMITE PULLS A MIRACULOUS COMEBACK TO MAKE THIS A SERIES

    Reggie Miller and Peja Stojakovic both score 12 in the 4th quarter and Yosemite erases the 18 point deficit with a 45-20 4th quarter. Yosemite wins 119-112. Lebron wins Player of the Game with a 20/8/5 performance.

    Jordan scores 28, but only 6 in the 4th (2-8 in the quarter) when it was needed the most to stop the barrage by Reggie and Peja. Ian went 7 straight minutes without a point in the 4th which doomed them in the end

    Shawn Kemp who seemed to be unstoppable in Games 1 and 2 only contributed 5 points in Game 3

GAME 4

YOSEMITE BLOWS AN 11 POINT 4TH QUARTER LEAD, BUT TIES THE SERIES AT 2 WITH A 131-122 OT WIN

    LeBron James (POG) goes full on LeBron James with a 39 point, 10 rebound, and 7 assist performance. He added 2 blocks and 2 steals and the jumper was working as he knocked down 4 3-pointers. The stat line of the game goes to Mark Eaton who added a double double to the mix. Eaton had 6 points, 17 boards, and 12 blocks. One of those blocks might have saved the game as he blocked Jordan at the buzzer from 15 feet out.

    Michael Jordan had his best game of the series so far with a 22/9/9, but he disappeared in the 4th for the second straight game. Alonzo Mourning had a 23/11 game and added 9 blocks to go with it while Battier made 5 threes off the bench to help push the game in OT, but couldn't close the deal.

    Yosemite ties the series at 2 and we head back to Ian's friendly confines for Game 5. They say a series doesn't start until the home team loses, well 4 games in and the series hasn't started.

GAME 5

YOSEMITE TAKES THE SERIES LEAD 3-2 BEHIND A 42 POINT 2ND QUARTER

    LeBron James gets his first triple double of the series with a 24/12/10 in the 117-108 win on the road. Even with the triple double James doesn't win Player of the Game because Reggie Miller rained in 34 points (10-14 FGA, 10-10 FTA).

    The series has turned quickly with Yosemite winning 3 straight and a lot of that has to do with the great play of LeBron James and the poor play of Michael Jordan. Jordan comes up with a measly 16/6/3 in what could have been deemed a must win for Ian since the series goes back to Yosemite now. Ian has only won 1 game there this year and lost 3 in blow out fashion.

GAME 6

GAME 6 IS A METAPHOR FOR THE SERIES. YOSEMITE WINS IN A HUGE COMEBACK. 110 - 102 IN THE GAME. 4-2 SERIES.

    Ian blows a 16 point lead in the 4th quarter and then loses in overtime 110 - 102. Another 4th quarter and another blown opportunity for Ian. Jordan goes out with a 24/13/6, but struggles again in the 4th to seal a win and an opportunity to win the series at home in Game 7. Mourning and Shawn Kemp added double doubles as well, but it's hard to win meaningful games when you don't even shoot 39% from the field.

    LeBron turns in a 19/10/5/2/2 in a closeout game. Peja scored 9 and Reggie scored 8 in the 4th quarter, but they weren't the star of the show. Fat Lever who had not had much say in the series in the first 5 games put together a 20 and 10 game tonight. He scored 8 of his 20 points in the 4th and scored the last 4 points in regulation for Yosemite to force OT. That included the game tying bucket with less than 5 ticks to go.

Synopsis

We all wanted the Jordan, LeBron duel, but it was a major let down. Each player had great games, but they never had great games during the same game. It's easy analysis to say you can't win when your best player plays poorly but that's exactly how all 6 games went in the series. The problem for Ian was that Jordan just happened to do that more often than LeBron, especially when the game was on the line.

Three major 4th quarter leads were blown in the series, 2 by Ian and 1 by Yosemite, and Yosemite won all 3 of them. If you can't close out game then you can't win them and that's how the number 5 seed moves on to face the top dog, Fats, in the next round.[
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1296 » by fatlever » Fri Sep 2, 2016 5:47 pm

still waiting on Coolio to finalize his vote and for ESAL to finish the sim.
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1297 » by EwingSweatsALot » Fri Sep 2, 2016 6:14 pm

fatlever wrote:still waiting on Coolio to finalize his vote and for ESAL to finish the sim.


Hoping to have it done tonight. Wife will be working, so hoping to get my daughter in bed, pop in a movie(i.e. Stream a movie) and finish the bronze medal round and then the gold medal round.
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Post#1298 » by EwingSweatsALot » Sat Sep 3, 2016 3:23 am

GOLD MEDAL ROUND MATCHUP- DIOP VS FATS

OVERVIEW

After both teams finished 1 and 2 in the regular season you could call this somewhat a shock and a disappointment for both teams.

Both teams have more of a throwback style where they don't stretch the floor much and use their superior big men along with heady PG play to beat teams. Two of the best centers of all time will face off and bang bodies in KAJ and Moses Malone. Can one grab the upper hand? Is this the battle that can win the Bronze? Or will rest on someone else's shoulders.

The concern for Fats would be how do they guard Bird? Cooper was a DPOY, but he doesn't have the size to body up on Bird. Do they try Larry Johnson off the bench or even Magic to guard him at times. End the end does it matter who guards Bird? Nobody fares well in that matchup.

The concern for Diop would be how do you handle Magic? Paul is a great defender, but a rookie and he is given up almost 10 inches to Magic. You can put in another good defender in Livingston to give you the size, but you lose almost everything else to Paul. Wade is well atheltic enough, but he's still giving up half a foot and no big man on Diop's roster can match size and speed. We will have to wait and see how it plays out.

GAME 1

A HUGE 4TH QUARTER LEADS FATS TO A 119 - 95 WIN

    Up one after 3 quarters, Fats outscores Diop by 23 in the fourth to take Game 1 of the Bronze Medal round.

    Karl Malone was the blame for all in the semifinals, but he stepped it up in Game 1 with 26 and 11. Four more players added in double digit scoring with Moses malone chipping in a double double, and Magic Johnson putting together a 15/9/7 night. In the end 3 point shooting (+21 over Diop) sealed the deal along with the Malone's out dueling Kareem and Bird.

    The reason Diop ended up in the Bronze Medal Round and not the Gold Medal Round was becuase Kareem and Bird didn't play well enough together. This happened again in Game 1. They combined for less points than Karl Malone, combined for only 3 more boards than Moses Malone, and combined for the same amount of assists as Magic. Add in the fact that in the 4th quarter they combined to go 0 - 4 with zero points and you got yourself a blowout. They can't get out dueled and hope to win this series.

    https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=13580354&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

GAME 2

A 14 - 4 RUN IN THE LAST 4 MINUTES GIVES FATS A 2 - 0 EDGE IN THE SERIES.

    At the 3:41 mark it was a 1 point game at 95 - 94, edge to Fats. Then Karl Malone and Magic Johnson score 12 of Fats last 14 points to put Diop in an 0 - 2 hole.

    K. Malone and Magic combine for 51 points and it was just too much for Diop. Ray Allen and Moses both contributed for 17 each and Grandmama put in 10 off the bench. The concern for Diop was how do they handle Magic, and it isn't going well. Fats has done a better job on Bird and it is a main reason they are up 2 - 0.

    Bird and Kareem both had double doubles, but they can't find there scoring, combing for only 28. They were the 3rd and 4th leading scorer on their team and and the 7th and 8th of the entire game. You can't get away with that from your two best players. Add in the fact that Kareem once again went scoreless in the 4th and Bird only scored 4 (4 combined points from both in the 4th two games) and you get another loss because you can't close games in the 4th. Diop heads home for Game 3 to hopefully get this series back on track.

    https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=13580371&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

GAME 3

KARL MALONE IS UNSTOPPABLE ONCE AGAIN AND FATS TAKES THE 3 - 0 LEAD

    In a nailbiter Fats takes a 3 - 0 series lead with a 107 - 104 win on Diop's home court. Diop took a 1 point lead with 3 minutes to go off a Vlade Divac dunk, but Manu Ginobili gets a bucket on the next posession and Fats never looked back matching Diop bucket for bucket. The main Diop mistake was Vlade turnover, but it didn't seal the game. They just couldn't grab the lead as Fats held them back like the older brother putting his hand on his little brothers forhead as he swings with great force, but never connects.

    Ray Allen adds in 22 for Fats and Moses gets another double double for his team. It was truly a team effort for Fats in the 4th getting buckets from over 5 players, but Malone sealed the deal at the free throw line going 4 - 4 with less than 10 ticks left.

    Bird put together a 14/5/5 and Kareem added in 10/14/6/4, but as you can see the points still had to come from somewhere else. Five other players for Diop got in double digits and Wade had a 18/8/7 game as the team played great, but just came up short. Bird poured in 8 of his 14 in the 4th, but once again Kareem goes scoreless in the 4th. I've never seen anything like this. Possibly the greatest center ever hasn't scored a point in three straight fourth quarters when the game could have been won. Just unbelievable.

    https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=13580405&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1

GAME 4

AT THE BUZZER!!! KARL MALONE DRAINS A SERIES WINNER AS FATS SWEEPS DIOP

    With the game tied at 109 a piece, Larry Bird rises up from the right wing and only draws iron. Karl Malone grabs the board and as Magic motions for the pass, Malone waves him off. He refuses to give up the ball. he knows no one can guard him because for four straight games Diop has had no answer. Malone backs down Bosh to 8 feet and with 3 seconds left he hits a half spin turnaround, rises up and drains the jumper as the buzzer sounds in the arena. Silence from 35,000, jubilation for Fats.

    Fats had five players in double figures, with Karl Malone leading the way with 21. Moses Malone adds his 4th double double of the series with a 19 and 14 (8 offensive).

    Bird came to play with a 23/9/3 for Diop and Wade and bosh both scored over 20, but outside of them Diop struggled. Kareem had another double double and he finally scored in the 4th quarter (only 2 points), but he finished with a 13 and 10. Not what you can survive with when he is one of your two best players.

    https://www.whatifsports.com/nba/boxscore.asp?GameID=13580466&nomenu=1&teamfee=-1


Synopsis

This is a pretty easy summary. Fats star players showed up to play. Karl Malone was unstoppable and Moses was a forced to be reckoned with on the inside. K. Malone showed up when it mattered icing Game 3 and winning Game 4 at the buzzer.

On the other side it comes down to Kareem and Bird. Neither took over or dominated and that's why they never even got to a fifth game. When you have two top 5 players of all time they have to come in and dominate. They need to be the leaders and take over for their team. When Kareem doesn't average 15 points in the series and Bird barely makes it over that mark then you won't win too many games.

Fats wins the bronze which could be considered a disappointment after his regular season. This series does nothing to spell that because it showed how well he can play when Karl Malone plays well. Malone struggled in basically two games all year and it cost him a shot at a championship. I'm sure he will remember them for a long time...or he will forget about them pretty quickly like he did his kids.
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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1299 » by fatlever » Sat Sep 3, 2016 3:52 am

Malone struggled in basically two games all year and it cost him a shot at a championship. I'm sure he will remember them for a long time...or he will forget about them pretty quickly like he did his kids.


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Re: 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft (voting starts Saturday) 

Post#1300 » by amcoolio » Sat Sep 3, 2016 8:28 pm

Sorry guys, its been non-stop busy for me.

Lamar definitely gets third, there is no consolation game! (Parting notes for Lamar: Your team is deadly, don't know why its so undervalued. Hakeem is criminally underrated and can win games by himself in this format.)


Championship - Fats vs. ESAL - Homecourt advantage might be the decider here, as both teams are evenly matched. Karl Malone and Rodman have a history, and obviously the Robinson vs. Moses Malone matchup is the mother of all matchups in this tournament. ESAL has plenty of options to throw at Magic Johnson. Does Fatlever have enough shooting to counter ESAL when he goes small ball in which he inevitably will?

The difference here for me is the benches and rotations. Its going to come down to how much Fatlever is willing to sacrifice Karl Malone in this series for Ginobli and Birdsong, trying to get Malone minutes on the 2nd unit as a change of pace guy where he can dominate when Robinson is out of the game. I think Fatlever has a bit more talent in this series to prevail in 7 games; he is a bit more versatile with his lineups, and has a bit more offensive firepower. Even though ESAL has more shooting, Fatlever has more all around skill everywhere on the floor. (Parting notes for ESAL: Congrats on the top 3, you made some great moves all throughout the draft, including getting Robinson's incredible year at your draft slot (somehow I missed it when looking at Southpaw category, but I probably would have taken Kobe regardless). Obviously one of the best teams, Fats just had a little more on the bench... I trust Ginobli and Birdsong more than rookie Damon and Terry).

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