Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

[HornetJail]

Found on the toronto board...

I had to laugh at the question!

I really like our team and feel like we are an Al Jefferson away from being a legit title contendor. Take out Amir and put in Big AL, and that changes the entire dynamic of our team. That was a big pickup this off-season by the Bobcats. It's too bad we had that bum Rudy who tied up our cap space. Big AL is a beast. I wonder what it would take to get him this off-season if they are willing to move him.

hmmmm their whole starting lineup + their GM

Wouldn't touch it

[BeesWax]

Found on the toronto board...

I had to laugh at the question!

hmmmm their whole starting lineup + their GM

Wouldn't touch it

If I had to trade I would take Jonas, Ross and a couple 1sts including this years.

Don't love the trade but adds to our young core and gives us some help with spacing in Ross and interior play in Jonas. Use this years first on someone like TJ Warren or Hairston and then get a PF with the other pick.

Not a fan of the situation but gun to my head this is my haul.

[HornetJail]

hmmmm their whole starting lineup + their GM

Wouldn't touch it

If I had to trade I would take Jonas, Ross and a couple 1sts including this years.

Don't love the trade but adds to our young core and gives us some help with spacing in Ross and interior play in Jonas. Use this years first on someone like TJ Warren or Hairston and then get a PF with the other pick.

Not a fan of the situation but gun to my head this is my haul.

lol, that's it? You'd have to offer me Derozan and Lowry on top of that to get me to consider.

And i wouldnt

[fatlever]

... waits for raptors fans to come tell us they wouldnt trade jonas for jefferson straight up, let alone add more assets for him.

btw, if they are wanting to play jefferson in place of amir, i feel they have a poor understanding of jefferson. seems they believe he can play power forward, which we all know he cant.

[BeesWax]

Wouldn't touch it

If I had to trade I would take Jonas, Ross and a couple 1sts including this years.

Don't love the trade but adds to our young core and gives us some help with spacing in Ross and interior play in Jonas. Use this years first on someone like TJ Warren or Hairston and then get a PF with the other pick.

Not a fan of the situation but gun to my head this is my haul.

lol, that's it? You'd have to offer me Derozan and Lowry on top of that to get me to consider.

And i wouldnt

I am not saying I would take it. I don't like Derozan and feel he would not fit here as well as Ross does. Lowry is fine but I would target a bigger PG in FA. Basically I left those two out because I see them taking spots and not fitting what I was trying to build.

This was a if I was force to trade with them and only them what would I want of theres scenario. Not a trade I look to make but what I want back if I have to make it.

[catch20two]

No turning back now. We're a playoff team that's only going to get better. I wouldn't entertain a trade that make us worst now but POSSIBLY better in the future. The way I'm thinking I wouldn't trade Jefferson for anybody not named LeBron James or Kevin Durant right about now.

[HornetJail]

No turning back now. We're a playoff team that's only going to get better. I wouldn't entertain a trade that make us worst now but POSSIBLY better in the future. The way I'm thinking I wouldn't trade Jefferson for anybody not named LeBron James or Kevin Durant right about now.

Not disagreeing- I wouldn't make a deal that makes us worse, but there are definitely lower targets that I'd still trade Jefferson for, though none of them are centers.

[catch20two]

No turning back now. We're a playoff team that's only going to get better. I wouldn't entertain a trade that make us worst now but POSSIBLY better in the future. The way I'm thinking I wouldn't trade Jefferson for anybody not named LeBron James or Kevin Durant right about now.

Not disagreeing- I wouldn't make a deal that makes us worse, but there are definitely lower targets that I'd still trade Jefferson for, though none of them are centers.

I know. I was just being shrewd. I would entertain James Harden and Kevin Love and may Joakim Noah as well but that's about it.

[HornetJail]

No turning back now. We're a playoff team that's only going to get better. I wouldn't entertain a trade that make us worst now but POSSIBLY better in the future. The way I'm thinking I wouldn't trade Jefferson for anybody not named LeBron James or Kevin Durant right about now.

Not disagreeing- I wouldn't make a deal that makes us worse, but there are definitely lower targets that I'd still trade Jefferson for, though none of them are centers.

I know. I was just being shrewd. I would entertain James Harden and Kevin Love and may Joakim Noah as well but that's about it.

wouldn't entertain Love because of his contract situation, but I'd take Blake, Westbrook, and a few others pretty easily

Only franchise players that other teams would laugh at.

[fatlever]

anthony davis is #3 on my list behind durant and lebron

[catch20two]

Not disagreeing- I wouldn't make a deal that makes us worse, but there are definitely lower targets that I'd still trade Jefferson for, though none of them are centers.

I know. I was just being shrewd. I would entertain James Harden and Kevin Love and may Joakim Noah as well but that's about it.

wouldn't entertain Love because of his contract situation, but I'd take Blake, Westbrook, and a few others pretty easily

Only franchise players that other teams would laugh at.

I don't know. Love replacing McBob would make us at least the 2nd best team in the East and a real fighter's chance at beating the Heat. Love can really hit 3s, not sometimesy, as well as score everywhere else and he can pass. Big Al, K-Love, and Kemba would be a very nice big 3.

Edit: I just realized that in this scenario we would have to trade Al so it wouldn't be ideal.

[catch20two]

anthony davis is #3 on my list behind durant and lebron

Him too. But I would want to pair Davis with Jefferson. It would be bittersweet.

[Braggins]

No turning back now. We're a playoff team that's only going to get better. I wouldn't entertain a trade that make us worst now but POSSIBLY better in the future. The way I'm thinking I wouldn't trade Jefferson for anybody not named LeBron James or Kevin Durant right about now.

Wut lol? There are probably at least 20 players (possibly many more) that if Cho offered Al straight up for he would get hung up on. That is completely ignoring contracts and such. There are players still on rookie deals that no GM in their right mind would trade for Jefferson. What do you think Detroit would say if we offered them Jefferson straight up for Drummond (if contracts didn't make it impossible). Bobcats fans are way way overrating Al. The Heat's biggest weakness is center and I guarantee you they wouldn't even consider Bosh for Jefferson. Paul George, Joakim Noah, John Wall, Melo, Rondo, Josh Smith, Duncan, Parker, Marc Gasol, Durant, Westbrook, Chirs Paul, Blake Griffin, James Harden, Dwight Howard, Lamarcus Aldridge, Stephen Curry, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Kevin Love, and Demarcus Cousins are all better. Some of those wouldn't be people we would want to trade for because of lack of positional need or fit but still. That is probably a conservative list of players who are better than Al.

[Braggins]

I know. I was just being shrewd. I would entertain James Harden and Kevin Love and may Joakim Noah as well but that's about it.

wouldn't entertain Love because of his contract situation, but I'd take Blake, Westbrook, and a few others pretty easily

Only franchise players that other teams would laugh at.

I don't know. Love replacing McBob would make us at least the 2nd best team in the East and a real fighter's chance at beating the Heat. Love can really hit 3s, not sometimesy, as well as score everywhere else and he can pass. Big Al, K-Love, and Kemba would be a very nice big 3.

Edit: I just realized that in this scenario we would have to trade Al so it wouldn't be ideal.

If we were offered Kevin Love for Al we would do that deal in heartbeat. Love is a far better player. They aren't even in the same league. I want some of whatever you guys are smoking.

[Liver_Pooty]

No turning back now. We're a playoff team that's only going to get better. I wouldn't entertain a trade that make us worst now but POSSIBLY better in the future. The way I'm thinking I wouldn't trade Jefferson for anybody not named LeBron James or Kevin Durant right about now.

There are quiet a few players Id trade Jefferson for.

[JDR720]

wouldn't entertain Love because of his contract situation, but I'd take Blake, Westbrook, and a few others pretty easily

Only franchise players that other teams would laugh at.

I don't know. Love replacing McBob would make us at least the 2nd best team in the East and a real fighter's chance at beating the Heat. Love can really hit 3s, not sometimesy, as well as score everywhere else and he can pass. Big Al, K-Love, and Kemba would be a very nice big 3.

Edit: I just realized that in this scenario we would have to trade Al so it wouldn't be ideal.

If we were offered Kevin Love for Al we would do that deal in heartbeat. Love is a far better player. They aren't even in the same league. I want some of whatever you guys are smoking.

Love wouldn't stay here he has said he wants to play for a big market

[Braggins]

I don't know. Love replacing McBob would make us at least the 2nd best team in the East and a real fighter's chance at beating the Heat. Love can really hit 3s, not sometimesy, as well as score everywhere else and he can pass. Big Al, K-Love, and Kemba would be a very nice big 3.

Edit: I just realized that in this scenario we would have to trade Al so it wouldn't be ideal.

If we were offered Kevin Love for Al we would do that deal in heartbeat. Love is a far better player. They aren't even in the same league. I want some of whatever you guys are smoking.

Love wouldn't stay here he has said he wants to play for a big market

Good point. Although I think with K Love we would already be a real threat to go to the eastern finals and would be a starting SG away from real contention. Being able to offer him the most money and a chance to contend would be a good sell. I would take the risk. I'm imagining a lineup of: Kemba, Not Gerald Henderson, MKG, K Love, Biyombo, with a bench full of shooters/really good backups like Neal/Zeller/McBob/CDR. We would have so much lineup flexibility at the end of games. We could easily get lineups with 4 or 5 shooters when needed. I'm just daydreaming now but that would be a good team.

[catch20two]

If Al was a better defender or at least attempted to contest shots at the rim I would have a better argument for him not being tradeable for anything but the elite top 3 players in the NBA. Lol. But with his defensive deficiencies it's easy to understand why some consider his offensive display somewhat of a wash. We wouldn't be this successful without MKG and Kemba's defense just as much as Big Al's offense has carried us. They play off each other.

[Liver_Pooty]

If Al was a better defender or at least attempted to contest shots at the rim I would have a better argument for him not being tradeable for anything but the elite top 3 players in the NBA. Lol. But with his defensive deficiencies it's easy to understand why some consider his offensive display somewhat of a wash. We wouldn't be this successful without MKG and Kemba's defense just as much as Big Al's offense has carried us. They play off each other.

Kemba racks up the steals, but I think his defense is average, maybe slightly above average.

Hope he continues to rebound like last night.

[catch20two]

If Al was a better defender or at least attempted to contest shots at the rim I would have a better argument for him not being tradeable for anything but the elite top 3 players in the NBA. Lol. But with his defensive deficiencies it's easy to understand why some consider his offensive display somewhat of a wash. We wouldn't be this successful without MKG and Kemba's defense just as much as Big Al's offense has carried us. They play off each other.

Kemba racks up the steals, but I think his defense is average, maybe slightly above average.

Hope he continues to rebound like last night.

PG is a tough position to defend consistently. Night in and night out he has to defend the fastest, quickest, and most skilled players on the floor. If PGs played one-on-one basketball they would rarely get a stop since they have the skills to get pretty much wherever they want on the floor. I agree that his defense is maybe only slightly above average but that's considerably good when he has the 2nd best defensive rating of anybody on the team only behind MKG. We all know MKG is our best defender but it's a toss up between Kemba and Biz on who's our 2nd best defender. I'd give it to Kemba since he plays more minutes and we see the considerable dropoff whenever he's subbed out the game.