Fake Trade Thread III

[Elden Payton]

My bad, I missed that you included Al in there.

Al>>>Perkins
Adams>Haywood
Lamb>>Taylor

Plus filler from them.

I don't think OKC would do this simply b/c of Jefferson's salary. Part of the urge to drop Perkins is from his salary, Jefferson makes ~$5M/year for longer.

They might do a Gordon for Perkins, Lamb and filler swap simply b/c BG is a big expiring but if won't to get rid of Big Alice we'll have to look elsewhere probably.

I think it has to do with Perk's production for the cost of his contract as opposed to simply his contract, I'm sure they have no problem paying Durant,WB and Ibaka what they're earning.

That said I doubt they would add another 13m to the books.

I'm not set on trading Jefferson but it is the logical way to improve our core without giving up Kemba,MKG and Biz.

[Liver_Pooty]

I don't want to trade Jefferson at all. Thats a sure fire way to really piss off Walker and the entire team. Walker was thrilled at the signing, and if you trade Jefferson thats going to send the wrong message to the locker room. Plus Jefferson is fantastic for Biyombo to learn from. Id at least wait another season or so before trying to trade Jefferson.

[Elden Payton]

I don't want to trade Jefferson at all. Thats a sure fire way to really piss off Walker and the entire team. Walker was thrilled at the signing, and if you trade Jefferson thats going to send the wrong message to the locker room. Plus Jefferson is fantastic for Biyombo to learn from. Id at least wait another season or so before trying to trade Jefferson.

If we wait another season he's probably just going to walk for nothing.

Who cares if we piss off Walker? since when is he good enough to dictate what our FO does or doesn't do?

[Diop]

Trading Jefferson would indicate a return to tanking, you would probably want to trade Kemba and Hendo as well, as they will crack it.

[Liver_Pooty]

I don't want to trade Jefferson at all. Thats a sure fire way to really piss off Walker and the entire team. Walker was thrilled at the signing, and if you trade Jefferson thats going to send the wrong message to the locker room. Plus Jefferson is fantastic for Biyombo to learn from. Id at least wait another season or so before trying to trade Jefferson.

If we wait another season he's probably just going to walk for nothing.

Who cares if we piss off Walker? since when is he good enough to dictate what our FO does or doesn't do?

Lol tread careful there talking about Walker like that my friend. You may end up being called a hater, stupid, or some other nonsense.

[Elden Payton]

I don't want to trade Jefferson at all. Thats a sure fire way to really piss off Walker and the entire team. Walker was thrilled at the signing, and if you trade Jefferson thats going to send the wrong message to the locker room. Plus Jefferson is fantastic for Biyombo to learn from. Id at least wait another season or so before trying to trade Jefferson.

If we wait another season he's probably just going to walk for nothing.

Who cares if we piss off Walker? since when is he good enough to dictate what our FO does or doesn't do?

Lol tread careful there talking about Walker like that my friend. You may end up being called a hater, stupid, or some other nonsense.

I'm not hating, just stating!

It's rare for players to hold too much sway in the NBA.

A lot of stories are thrown about but the reality is that players don't hold the power as the CBA's will attest.

Superstars have a say but how many superstars have been traded for not knowing their place?

Kemba is a good player and one of my favourites but I'm not happy to peak as a team that keeps pace with a few games behind .500

I'm sure Kemba who is a born winner would see the validity of that point.

I want a contender and do people really think we'll be able to build a contender around Jefferson?

[Liver_Pooty]

If we wait another season he's probably just going to walk for nothing.

Who cares if we piss off Walker? since when is he good enough to dictate what our FO does or doesn't do?

Lol tread careful there talking about Walker like that my friend. You may end up being called a hater, stupid, or some other nonsense.

I'm not hating, just stating!

It's rare for players to hold too much sway in the NBA.

A lot of stories are thrown about but the reality is that players don't hold the power as the CBA's will attest.

Superstars have a say but how many superstars have been traded for not knowing their place?

Kemba is a good player and one of my favourites but I'm not happy to peak as a team that keeps pace with a few games behind .500

I'm sure Kemba who is a born winner would see the validity of that point.

I want a contender and do people really think we'll be able to build a contender around Jefferson?

I mainly want Jefferson around to mentor Biyombo. He pisses me off a lot, but I still hold out a ton of hope for the big man. And while Ewing is a good big man coach, its different getting instruction from a coach than it is one of your peers. If the right deal comes along im literally OK trading anyone on this roster. I just don't want to make a trade just to make a trade.

[Diop]

We do have the perfect set up to mentor Biz at the moment with Jefferson and Ewing. I do like that.

I must admit, the more I watch this team, the more I want us to tank a little for this draft.
This team just doesn't excite me as a winner. I just don't think the players we have are good enough.

I don't hate them, I just think they are all ok.

[Liver_Pooty]

We do have the perfect set up to mentor Biz at the moment with Jefferson and Ewing. I do like that.

I must admit, the more I watch this team, the more I want us to tank a little for this draft.
This team just doesn't excite me as a winner. I just don't think the players we have are good enough.

I don't hate them, I just think they are all ok.

I completely concur. Im not going to cheer for us to lose, but if we do lose I wont be devastated. Although I say that now, and then we end up losing games like we just did to the Lakers and I want to stab myself in the face.

[Elden Payton]

Yeah it makes sense and it is evident that he will help Biyombo.

That said, by the time our prospects have progressed to the point that they will be able to contribute to a serious playoff run, Jefferson will be 31 years old and most likely walking.

In the meantime we'll probably lose our pick this year and ride the treadmill for a couple of seasons before we're back at the point we were before we decided to blow it up in the first place.

I like Jefferson but if it came down to trading Kemba,MKG,Biz or Al to get off the treadmill...then I know who I would want to be traded imo.

In regards to trading Al, it must mean we're tanking?

We were just as good at the start of the season and in preseason, without him.

I'm sure we'd get something decent for him.

Even if we decide to trade him next season before he opts out, we'll have given up our pick regardless.

[Elden Payton]

We do have the perfect set up to mentor Biz at the moment with Jefferson and Ewing. I do like that.

I must admit, the more I watch this team, the more I want us to tank a little for this draft.
This team just doesn't excite me as a winner. I just don't think the players we have are good enough.

I don't hate them, I just think they are all ok.

The bolded is exactly right.

So the players we have are not good enough to get the job done.

Do we trade the 20-23 year olds on rookie deals or trade the (soon to be) 29 year old who is on big dollars?

[Liver_Pooty]

We do have the perfect set up to mentor Biz at the moment with Jefferson and Ewing. I do like that.

I must admit, the more I watch this team, the more I want us to tank a little for this draft.
This team just doesn't excite me as a winner. I just don't think the players we have are good enough.

I don't hate them, I just think they are all ok.

The bolded is exactly right.

So the players we have are not good enough to get the job done.

Do we trade the 20-23 year olds on rookie deals or trade the (soon to be) 29 year old who is on big dollars?

If Utah couldn't trade him last season on a massive expiring and a year younger how are we going to trade him on a big deal with two more years essentially and a year older? I doubt we can.

[Elden Payton]

Utah didn't attempt to trade him last season.

They didn't attempt to trade Millsap either.

[Liver_Pooty]

Utah didn't attempt to trade him last season.

They didn't attempt to trade Millsap either.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8655 ... dline.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1518 ... onio-spurs

They obviously tried to trade him. You just don't let him go without nothing, but they probably wanted too.

Edit: They had legit talks with San Antonio. Thats yesterdays news though.

[Elden Payton]

According to one source from Comcast Sportsnet they were in talks of possibly moving Jefferson/Millsap.

That's the only source, not the Jazz or even Celtics.

The article actually more points to the fact that the Celtics tried to get him.

Basically the Celtics called Utah about him is probably what happened.

Doesn't mean they were shopping him.

The SA rumour is a rumour from Sheridansports that the Spurs are the frontrunners to trade for him.

Basically those links verify that teams we after Jefferson but Utah didn't want to trade him.

Which is all I said.

[Liver_Pooty]

According to one source from Comcast Sportsnet they were in talks of possibly moving Jefferson/Millsap.

That's the only source, not the Jazz or even Celtics.

The article actually more points to the fact that the Celtics tried to get him.

Basically the Celtics called Utah about him is probably what happened.

Doesn't mean they were shopping him.

The SA rumour is a rumour from Sheridansports that the Spurs are the frontrunners to trade for him.

Basically those links verify that teams we after Jefferson but Utah didn't want to trade him.

Which is all I said.

True, but I just dont know if any team would offer enough in value for him. I really don't want to trade him just to tank. But of course I don't want to treadmill either. Tricky situation.

[Diop]

In regards to trading Al, it must mean we're tanking?

Unless we get a win now player back that is how I think Kemba and Hendo will take it.
Kemba was a vocal supporter of Al's signing, I'm not sure how he would react to him being traded.

[Elden Payton]

According to one source from Comcast Sportsnet they were in talks of possibly moving Jefferson/Millsap.

That's the only source, not the Jazz or even Celtics.

The article actually more points to the fact that the Celtics tried to get him.

Basically the Celtics called Utah about him is probably what happened.

Doesn't mean they were shopping him.

The SA rumour is a rumour from Sheridansports that the Spurs are the frontrunners to trade for him.

Basically those links verify that teams we after Jefferson but Utah didn't want to trade him.

Which is all I said.

True, but I just dont know if any team would offer enough in value for him. I really don't want to trade him just to tank. But of course I don't want to treadmill either. Tricky situation.

It's very true that we value him higher than just about any franchise out there which makes it hard.

For the record I'm not suggesting we trade him and tank, just that trading him is probably our best option.

[Liver_Pooty]

According to one source from Comcast Sportsnet they were in talks of possibly moving Jefferson/Millsap.

That's the only source, not the Jazz or even Celtics.

The article actually more points to the fact that the Celtics tried to get him.

Basically the Celtics called Utah about him is probably what happened.

Doesn't mean they were shopping him.

The SA rumour is a rumour from Sheridansports that the Spurs are the frontrunners to trade for him.

Basically those links verify that teams we after Jefferson but Utah didn't want to trade him.

Which is all I said.

True, but I just dont know if any team would offer enough in value for him. I really don't want to trade him just to tank. But of course I don't want to treadmill either. Tricky situation.

It's very true that we value him higher than just about any franchise out there which makes it hard.

For the record I'm not suggesting we trade him and tank, just that trading him is probably our best option.

If were going to try and trade we need to get the most of our best asset, and who is that? Jefferson or Walker? I know most of us would say MKG, but the fact is that we value him WAY, WAAAAAY more than any other team in the league and we would get crapped on if we tried to trade him.

[Elden Payton]

In regards to trading Al, it must mean we're tanking?

Unless we get a win now player back that is how I think Kemba and Hendo will take it.
Kemba was a vocal supporter of Al's signing, I'm not sure how he would react to him being traded.

Portland did not care one iota about what LMA thought with their obvious tanking ploy last season.

It worked for them even though their rook hasn't even played.

At the end of the day, CLT hold the cards with Kemba and Hendo and not them.

They're employees of the Charlotte Bobcats.

Do you really see MJ worrying about what Kemba or Henderson think of potential moves for the good of the franchise?