Fake Trade Thread #3

[LofJ]

The above is why the Pacers won't trade Turner. They don't tank, the asking price to get him will be too high to justify. It's nice to dream about it though.

[Chapelchilla]

After Bucks trade for Tucker they may want to make some more moves to solidify the rotation (as per cbs sports). What about a Graham and Bridges swap for Connaughton, Forbes, Portis and Houston’s high second round pick ?
They are all young but not rookies and are signed to cheapish contracts for the next season. Portia has another season on his. It seems like we would have better shooting and rebounding off the bench. All of them can run the floor.
Milwaukee gets another high flyer and a better bench pg.

[BeesWax]

After Bucks trade for Tucker they may want to make some more moves to solidify the rotation (as per cbs sports). What about a Graham and Bridges swap for Connaughton, Forbes, Portis and Houston’s high second round pick ?
They are all young but not rookies and are signed to cheapish contracts for the next season. Portia has another season on his. It seems like we would have better shooting and rebounding off the bench. All of them can run the floor.
Milwaukee gets another high flyer and a better bench pg.

I think Bridges is the best player in that trade and Graham maybe in second. This just doesn’t improve us enough to make sense in dropping guys who fit us well with Melo.

[Braggins]

Portis would be a nice pickup. Not sure about those other guys.

[HornetJail]

After Bucks trade for Tucker they may want to make some more moves to solidify the rotation (as per cbs sports). What about a Graham and Bridges swap for Connaughton, Forbes, Portis and Houston’s high second round pick ?
They are all young but not rookies and are signed to cheapish contracts for the next season. Portia has another season on his. It seems like we would have better shooting and rebounding off the bench. All of them can run the floor.
Milwaukee gets another high flyer and a better bench pg.

Am I missing something in this trade proposal? I wouldn't trade Graham or Bridges alone for those garbage pieces

[Braggins]

After Bucks trade for Tucker they may want to make some more moves to solidify the rotation (as per cbs sports). What about a Graham and Bridges swap for Connaughton, Forbes, Portis and Houston’s high second round pick ?
They are all young but not rookies and are signed to cheapish contracts for the next season. Portia has another season on his. It seems like we would have better shooting and rebounding off the bench. All of them can run the floor.
Milwaukee gets another high flyer and a better bench pg.

Am I missing something in this trade proposal? I wouldn't trade Graham or Bridges alone for those garbage pieces

Portis is averaging 11/7 in 20 minutes and shooting 48% from 3pt on over 2 attempts per game. Hes the most productive player in the trade this year and hes signed for less than 4 mil per year through next season. Hes legit 6'10" with a 7'2" wingspan and just turned 25.

[Chapelchilla]

Lol, tough crowd here.
I like Bridges too but I think Portis actually fits what we need more and has cost control for 2.5 seasons at a bargain. He may be better straight up. Plus he is versatile.

Forbes is a decent back up PG who shoots 3’s well and is making 2.5 million next year. Devonte will likely sign for a lot more then that and is an FA. We don’t need to overpay a back up pg with Ball.

Connaughton is tough, rebounds well for a 2 and can play some 3. Decent shooter and gets above the rim too. Also cheap enough next year. Pairs well with Forbes already as bench guards.

A high second round pick is helpful too.

Most of the board seems not to like Graham and Bridges anyway especially at the prices they will cost us soon.

Getting the Milwaukee guys (3 young but proven NBA rotation players on a good team) already signed for very cheap vs soon to be overpaid Graham and Bridges?

We could use that cost savings to sign a good center in a couple years and retain the Lamelo Terry Washington Hayward Monk(?) core

[Rich4114]

We shouldn't make a trade just to make a trade. But it just feels like if we can reconfigure the pieces a bit and trade out one of our guard rotational players for a big rotational player that helps improve our rebounding, shot blocking, etc. then this team has a chance to make the playoffs and be very competitive in them.

[Braggins]

Lol, tough crowd here.
I like Bridges too but I think Portis actually fits what we need more and has cost control for 2.5 seasons at a bargain. He may be better straight up. Plus he is versatile.

Forbes is a decent back up PG who shoots 3’s well and is making 2.5 million next year. Devonte will likely sign for a lot more then that and is an FA. We don’t need to overpay a back up pg with Ball.

Connaughton is tough, rebounds well for a 2 and can play some 3. Decent shooter and gets above the rim too. Also cheap enough next year. Pairs well with Forbes already as bench guards.

A high second round pick is helpful too.

Most of the board seems not to like Graham and Bridges anyway especially at the prices they will cost us soon.

Getting the Milwaukee guys (3 young but proven NBA rotation players on a good team) already signed for very cheap vs soon to be overpaid Graham and Bridges?

We could use that cost savings to sign a good center in a couple years and retain the Lamelo Terry Washington Hayward Monk(?) core

What do you think about something like Graham + Biz for Portis + Forbes? Thered probably be some light pick action involved, but I'm not sure which way it would be going.

I dont see Milwaukee being too eager to trade Portis when they only have one other center on the roster, but Graham seems like a really good fit there as a backup PG, so it might be possible. I like the concept of Graham for Portis deal in terms of need and production, but it could be risky to trade Devonte for someone who has a history of being a headcase when chemistry is so important for this team.

Rozier/Forbes
Melo/Monk
Hayward/Martin1-Martin2
PJ/Miles/McDaniels
Cody/Portis

[Chapelchilla]

Seems reasonable to me. I like Graham’s attitude and he takes care of the ball well but I am afraid we either overpay or lose him for nothing this summer so I am willing to trade him for a rental pg and potentially good big man

[Chapelchilla]

Also, I think MIL considers Tucker their new back up C.

[Rays Pompadour]

Still think Charlotte maintains status quo on the roster for the remainder of the season. They are a SURPRISE playoff team content to rebuild judiciously. And that means keeping the Martins, Rozier and Graham.

But...there's a little over 4 million remaining in cap space for the Hornets. Only Oklahoma (6M) and the Knicks (15M) have space. George Hill is a nice trade piece for the Thunder and could bring back more salary in exchange for a pick or two. They literally have nothing left on that roster except the shell of Mike Muscala's contract, which is an expiring.

NY could be a candidate to use its cap to bring in an all-star caliber player. I like Leon Rose's savvy, so NY might be a player in the deal-making market. Adding Aldridge on a reasonable two-year deal might be worth making after he's bought out. The Knicks are the only team that can offer him a legit contract with future money. I think he'd be a terrific fit.

Which brings me back to Charlotte. If I'm reading the scene right, the best move might be to use cap space in a three-way for relief for another team (OKC has more space) or find a low-risk partner for a depressed-value player. Two come to mind...

Washington could use some cap savings. They're top heavy, with a bunch of rookies and bench fodder, but Thomas Bryant could be a poach target for, say, Biyombo. Bryant's hurt, but he's the kind of forward-looking risk worth taking. Losing Biyombo means elevating Richards unless anyone here thinks Len is a better option. I don't. Washington gets an expiring, cash savings and a serviceable big. Charlotte adds a potential starting center for 2022, then goes to the open market for their #3 center this year. Carey is not the answer.

I keeping coming back to Chicago and Wendell Carter, Jr. This might be a situation where a player might benefit from a change of scenery. Bridges for Carter would be a tough sell, but I think Carter needs some fresh air. Bridges, too, could use some scenery where he doesn't have to think so much. Could be the rare swap that benefits both teams. Sub in Markkanen here, but I think the Bulls want to keep him for his shooting (as would I) and he's run out his rookie deal, same as Monk. Chicago would need to throw in their 2021 2nd rounder (likely position swap with New Orleans) since Bridges has another year on his rookie deal.

[Braggins]

Wendell Carter Jr. was recently benched for Thaddeus Young. I'm not sure what the full context is there, but that could mean he (or Gafford) is more available than previously. Getting benched for a journey man at this point in his career doesn't seem like a good indication that hes worth trading for, though, and I think his advanced stats are also pretty bad.

Thomas Bryant seems like he might be good if he ever stays healthy, but Washington might want to keep him if they are going into a rebuild because hes pretty young still.

[JDR720]

I'd do that trade, but I think that is too much depth for Milwaukee to give up.

We just need to look around for a cheap center who can defend and rebound. I still like my Plumlee idea.

Carter Jr. is solid, but he seems to be very similar to PJ.

I think Markkanen has a lot more value than Miles or Monk does. A young PF who scores 20ppg and is a great shooter? He'd be our 2nd most valuable player after Ball IMO.

The situation we're in is our best trade pieces fit better with contending teams, not teams who are rebuilding who are looking to sell their players. Rozier? Obvious 6th man for a contender. Graham? A top team that needs a backup PG. Miles? 3&D player for the bench.

I doubt we can do much in this market. Teams aren't going to swap pieces with other potential playoff teams they're competing against for seeding.

Maybe we can swap with a Western team since we aren't directly competing with them.

[JDR720]

Some smaller swaps.

Miles + Graham for Burke + WCS + 1st (Dallas)

We get a center, Dallas get a SF that fits well with Luka and better contracts.

Bismack + 2nd for Whiteside (Kings)

Straightforward backup C trade.

Miles + Biz + 2nd for Poeltl (Spurs)

Spurs get a younger player for a rebuild, we get a center.

[GoBobs]

I think we are just going to see what shakes out on the buyout market. I really like DeMarcus Cousins to be the third member of a center by committee. He can catch the ball, bully smaller guys, rebound, shoot the three a little bit, protect the rim a little bit, good passer. He could give us some looks the other guys don’t.

I think the Lakers and others are waiting to see what happens with drummond which is holding up cousins frim signing somewhere

[Rays Pompadour]

Some smaller swaps.

Miles + Graham for Burke + WCS + 1st (Dallas)

We get a center, Dallas get a SF that fits well with Luka and better contracts.

Bismack + 2nd for Whiteside (Kings)

Straightforward backup C trade.

Miles + Biz + 2nd for Poeltl (Spurs)

Spurs get a younger player for a rebuild, we get a center.

Like the Mavs and Spurs trades. Poeltl is underrated, in my view. And Willie Cauley-Stein has that rare ability to defend on the perimeter. I don't know what to think of Whiteside anymore. As for my WCJ trade idea, I don't think it would happen for the reasons you mentioned. I only thought it valid to fix some structural flaws in the lineup - mainly to free PJ to focus on his position and not try to be something he's not, which is a 6'7" center.

[Braggins]

Which brings me back to Charlotte. If I'm reading the scene right, the best move might be to use cap space in a three-way for relief for another team (OKC has more space) or find a low-risk partner for a depressed-value player. Two come to mind...

Clippers are apparently trying to trade for Lonzo. I wonder if there is any way we could get involved in this deal somehow.

[MPM]

Which brings me back to Charlotte. If I'm reading the scene right, the best move might be to use cap space in a three-way for relief for another team (OKC has more space) or find a low-risk partner for a depressed-value player. Two come to mind...

Clippers are apparently trying to trade for Lonzo. I wonder if there is any way we could get involved in this deal somehow.

Not sure if I'm pro or con deal, but this could work:

Lonzo to Clips
Zubac to hornets
Graham, Biz expiring, maybe some second round sweetener to NO.

EDIT - strike that - above #'s don't appear to work. But something along these lines. For instance, this works $-wise:

Monk to NO
Lonzo to Clips
Zubac to Hornets

[bravor]

It works for salaries if you do :
LA out : LWill
La in : Lonzo + Biyombo

NO out : Lonzo
No in : LWill + Bridges

Hornets out : Bridges + Biyombo
hornets in : Zubac

Then it depends about the kind of compensation NO wishes (and the possibility for LA to keep Lonzo on a cost control contract). If LA pays the biggest price in terms of picks, it would be obviously amazing to land Zubac (even though he is not really an intimidator).

Another option would be to eat one of the bad contracts (from LA obviously Kennard)