We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II

BeesWax · Post #1321 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:25 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::banghead: MY GOD FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the history of this franchise,the only trade that was more stupid than Lance was Gordon. DO WE want NEXT SEASON to be a REPEAT of THIS SEASON? It's time to BLOW UP this team. LAL,NYK, and DAL would all be interested in Lances 6th man defense. Trade him to LAL for 26th pick? C'mon Man

Lance was not a trade and Gordon was what go us the pick that netted Vonleh.

BobsBuddy · Post #1322 » by **BobsBuddy** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:15 pm

I apologize...We signed Lance straight up and you are right Gordon netted us Vonleh pick. You know all we can do is pray that Vonleah turns into something.cause its obvious Lance will NOT. Do you know the reason Lance said his 3pt% was 17% this season to a local TV station when interviewed :noway:

3 days ago? "I couldn't get the shot off" :banghead:

DUH...Watch replays or tape on him and you can quickly see how poor his 3 pt shooting is,and why teammates are not even passing the ball to him because he plays out of control. :crazy:

Post #1323 » by **Diop** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:58 am

got this offer on the trade board.

Lance and the #9 pick for Wilson Chandler and the #7. Balances both line ups.

:lol:

if only it was that easy

Hornet Mania · Post #1324 » by **Hornet Mania** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:19 am

Sachmo wrote:got this offer on the trade board.

Lance and the #9 pick for Wilson Chandler and the #7. Balances both line ups.

if only it was that easy

Yeah everyone once in awhile I come across someone online who has not followed Lance at all this season, sees the name, and assume he's semi-valuable. It makes me optimistic, then I remember that with Billy King on a leash there may not be any GMs left foolish enough to do the same

It only takes one, though.

Post #1325 » by **Diop** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:43 am

saying that, seeing the $ people are suggesting for Biz on the trade board is depressing for the same reasons. Someone went as high as 13mill

LamarMatic7 · Post #1326 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:19 pm

lol. it's been the second time people over at PacersDigest link to one of my columns. those dudes are about 80 pages in discussing Stephenson's time here in Charlotte (but moreso just arguing about his time in Indy last year and the way the team plays without him).

EwingSweatsALot · Post #1327 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:58 pm

At this point you just keep him, right? I mean I understand if we get a good offer then you take it, but what is that good offer? What is a realistic good offer for him at this point? I mean effing Billy King didn't want him for the worst contract in basketball.

He's an expiring this year. So maybe that gets more teams interested, but that's almost more valuable to us than anything with the way we have structured our cap situation. If we send him out, more than likely we have to take up the cap room for multiple years, maybe even a pick depending on what we get back. We are primed for a lot of money after next year, I don't think it's worth ruining that to get rid of him.

He's still talented. That's not an issue. He still has the ability to make our team better(I can't believe I am saying that). If he doesn't play well, you bench him, eat the money and don't pick up the option. If he plays well and helps us, too possibly the playoffs(we make it this year if he played like he did in Indiana), then you consider his option and we have talent at a position we have lacked at since Jason Richardson.

Lance sucked this past year, one of the worst NBA seasons out there, but I think it would be a mistake to ship him out and more than likely ruin our cap integrity and the plan we have built over the last couple of years. I don't think it's worth, once again, hurting our future, to get rid of a current problem that can be in some ways neutralized.

BobsBuddy · Post #1328 » by **BobsBuddy** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:00 pm

We might have a chance of trading Lance with our #39 second round pick up into the end of the first round.
Nobody else is stupid enough to even suggest it earlier than then. Now Lance /#39 to the Lakers for Young/#26 makes more sense. :nod:

Post #1329 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:07 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:At this point you just keep him, right? I mean I understand if we get a good offer then you take it, but what is that good offer? ... I don't think it's worth, once again, hurting our future, to get rid of a current problem that can be in some ways neutralized.

Completely agree. We can't expect this to be the extent that Lance can be productive - he had a significantly worse year this year than his previous two seasons. If the FO gets the impression that he can get focused and is comfortable that will really try to turn around his performance, I think you have to keep him. If he comes out and has a much improved November / December, which I think is pretty likely because he was so terrible this year, his value goes way up and then we have a lot more options going forward.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1330 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:48 pm

Honestly I expect the team to stretch provision him this summer. Addition by subtraction.

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Post #1331 » by **fatlever** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:21 pm

Take a chance, package with Lance? (attach the #9 pick to Lance's or Marvin's contract for the best wing shooter we can find)

Post #1332 » by **JDR720** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:26 pm

their contracts bring down the value of the 9th pick too much

BeesWax · Post #1333 » by **BeesWax** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:33 pm

Unless we can clear enough space to make a big move this offseason and get a really good SG then there is no reason to devalue the pick or stretch out his cap hit. Eat the deals for one more year and then move on. Now if we can clear Al off the books then it makes more sense because we can do something to improve our team.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1334 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:50 pm

JDR720 wrote:their contracts bring down the value of the 9th pick too much

I don't know, they're technically expirings, I think we could get a solid player on a longer-term deal.

Post #1335 » by **fatlever** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:44 am

Maybe not for Lance, since team's might be scared of him, but Marvin + a #9 pick should net a pretty good player. Marvin at the very least is a high character, good lockerroom guy that can shoot and play both forward spots. I just have no idea which player under contract would be an ideal target in that type of trade.

Post #1336 » by **fatlever** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:50 am

meh, just did a quick search, there are not good wings that can shoot that teams might want to trade that are also worth a #9 pick. Kevin Martin is about as good as you can do, and I surely wouldnt give up a pick to get him.

BeesWax · Post #1337 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:12 am

fatlever wrote:meh, just did a quick search, there are not good wings that can shoot that teams might want to trade that are also worth a #9 pick. Kevin Martin is about as good as you can do, and I surely wouldnt give up a pick to get him.

There were some Dallas guys talking about dumping Parsons a little while ago on the trade board. That is a person I would consider this trade for. Both Marvin and Lance with the #9 for Parsons. I am not sure why Dallas wants to do this but it was what they were talking about. LP would have to waterproof his computer so his drool didn't short circuit it during games.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1338 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:14 am

jdm3 wrote:
fatlever wrote:meh, just did a quick search, there are not good wings that can shoot that teams might want to trade that are also worth a #9 pick. Kevin Martin is about as good as you can do, and I surely wouldnt give up a pick to get him.

There were some Dallas guys talking about dumping Parsons a little while ago on the trade board. That is a person I would consider this trade for. Both Marvin and Lance with the #9 for Parsons. I am not sure why Dallas wants to do this but it was what they were talking about. LP would have to waterproof his computer so his drool didn't short circuit it during games.

Lol. Parsons would he fantastic on this squad.

Post #1339 » by **JDR720** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:25 am

Lance for Marcus Morris and T.J. Warren (optimistic) or Archie Goodwin.

We dump Lance for a shooter and a prospect. Suns dump Marcus (felony assault charge) for Lances short deal and include a prospect as sweetener.

Marcus's contract is until 2019 at 5 million per year.

BeesWax · Post #1340 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:29 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
fatlever wrote:meh, just did a quick search, there are not good wings that can shoot that teams might want to trade that are also worth a #9 pick. Kevin Martin is about as good as you can do, and I surely wouldnt give up a pick to get him.

There were some Dallas guys talking about dumping Parsons a little while ago on the trade board. That is a person I would consider this trade for. Both Marvin and Lance with the #9 for Parsons. I am not sure why Dallas wants to do this but it was what they were talking about. LP would have to waterproof his computer so his drool didn't short circuit it during games.

Lol. Parsons would he fantastic on this squad.

You are sitting in a puddle just thinking about it aren't you.