The Bismack Biyombo Thread

Post #1361 » by **fatlever** » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:44 pm

5 dropped passes last night. that might be a record, even for biz.

Eoghan · Post #1362 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:00 pm

We also can't pass for chit. That one pass to Biz was at his feet and the last dropped pass to him where he was under the basket was a bullet thrown behind him. It's like his teammates take his long arms for granted and just throw passes in his general direction. He doesn't have the best hands, true, but because of that you'd think his teammates would make an effort on putting passes into his wheelhouse.

Nanogeek · Post #1363 » by **Nanogeek** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:51 am

Sachmo wrote:just noticed this tweet from Bonnell.

Effort is never a concern with him. Kemba told me teammates sometimes tell Biz to go home, because he over-trains.

like this one too when asked about Biz's ceiling.

Top 7 on a playoff team. George Karl said he can avg. a double-double.

Ok lets look at Karl's statement and the Nuggets top 8 players.

Faried
Lawson
Iguodala
Koufos
Gallinari
McGee
Chandler
Koufos

I'd trade Biz straight up for anyone of those guys. Too bad Karl would never do any of those trades. Karl was being nice. Biz would be backing up Mozgov on their team.

Nanogeek · Post #1364 » by **Nanogeek** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:53 am

Our best hope is that Biyombo breaks out next year. Ben Wallace was ho hum defensively and an abomination on offense his first two years and didn't have much of a basketball background. But in his third year Wallace took off defensively. He was still bad offensively but no one cared because of his defensive prowess. If Biyombo can turn in a third year like Wallace's third year then we will have hit the jackpot. But I think its a longshot.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1365 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:03 am

Nanogeek wrote:Our best hope is that Biyombo breaks out next year. Ben Wallace was ho hum defensively and an abomination on offense his first two years and didn't have much of a basketball background. But in his third year Wallace took off defensively. He was still bad offensively but no one cared because of his defensive prowess. If Biyombo can turn in a third year like Wallace's third year then we will have hit the jackpot. But I think its a longshot.

Season after next is when I believe we will see him break out.

Post #1366 » by **Diop** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:03 am

Nanogeek wrote:
Sachmo wrote:just noticed this tweet from Bonnell.

Effort is never a concern with him. Kemba told me teammates sometimes tell Biz to go home, because he over-trains.

like this one too when asked about Biz's ceiling.

Top 7 on a playoff team. George Karl said he can avg. a double-double.

Ok lets look at Karl's statement and the Nuggets top 8 players.

Faried
Lawson
Iguodala
Koufos
Gallinari
McGee
Chandler
Koufos

I'd trade Biz straight up for anyone of those guys. Too bad Karl would never do any of those trades. Karl was being nice. Biz would be backing up Mozgov on their team.

it was in reference to his ceiling, not what he's like right now. George Karl said he would develop into a double/double player.

EDIT: WOW, you really like Koufos.

HornetJail · Post #1367 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:28 am

You would trade Biz straight up for Koufos or Wilson Chandler? WTF Thank god you're not in any position in our front office. Instead of a #7 pick, we'd have Kosta Koufos or someone to take MKG's minutes.

Nanogeek · Post #1368 » by **Nanogeek** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:11 pm

Sachmo wrote:it was in reference to his ceiling, not what he's like right now. George Karl said he would develop into a double/double player.

EDIT: WOW, you really like Koufos.

Even with his ceiling I'd likely do those swaps.

Woops on Koufos! :O

Nanogeek · Post #1369 » by **Nanogeek** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:28 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:You would trade Biz straight up for Koufos or Wilson Chandler? WTF Thank god you're not in any position in our front office. Instead of a #7 pick, we'd have Kosta Koufos or someone to take MKG's minutes.

If you are thanking god for our front office then you've got very low standards. Koufos is performing much better than Biyombo at the moment. As a basketball player, Chandler is superior to Biyombo. I don't like his contract though. Also if you didn't notice he is playing more minutes at the 4 than the 3 this year. As a pure player vs player comparison, I'd take Chandler over Biyombo. Add in the context of his contract though and I'd pass. My point is Karl was being overly generous.

Hell, at least you acknowledged the other 5 players are clearly better. The way some people talk on this board sometimes I'm wondering if they'd balk at a Faried for Biyombo deal because of Biyombo's "ceiling."

HornetJail · Post #1370 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:56 pm

You're missing the point.

Biz is still a project. Take a look at the career trajectories of Ben Wallace, Tyson Chandler, etc. Project big men take time to develop. We loved him enough to take him with the 7th pick. We're sticking with him unless we get a clear upgrade. Trading a 20-year-old project with high upside for a decidedly average player who hasn't played decent basketball since before the lockout or a solid backup center near their peaks is NOT the answer.

Nanogeek · Post #1371 » by **Nanogeek** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:28 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote: You're missing the point.

Biz is still a project. Take a look at the career trajectories of Ben Wallace, Tyson Chandler, etc. Project big men take time to develop. We loved him enough to take him with the 7th pick. We're sticking with him unless we get a clear upgrade. Trading a 20-year-old project with high upside for a decidedly average player who hasn't played decent basketball since before the lockout or a solid backup center near their peaks is NOT the answer.

These points have been made before - about Biz and about other Bobcats lottery picks. Everyone agrees Biyombo is a project. Look at my earlier post where I made the precise point that we can only hope he breaks out defensively next season the way Wallace did in his third season. Simple truth is Biyombo is marginally better at best rebounding and defending and is regressing offensively. Lets hope he starts making progress and justifies his selection.

Eoghan · Post #1372 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:36 pm

Biyombo is not regressing offensively. That is just a blatant untruth.

raleigh · Post #1373 » by **raleigh** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:30 pm

I love the optimism about Biyombo's potential, but the reality is that guys like him almost never become anything more than a situational defender off the bench.

Take a look at this list:

http://bkref.com/tiny/SxBlz

^^^It's guys who've gotten solid minutes early in their careers despite poor efficiency on offense. When a guy's closest statistical comparisons (on offense) are Jared Jeffries and Adonal Foyle, you need to be realistic about how much chance of success he has in the NBA.

On the majority of NBA teams, Biyombo would be in the D-League.

thruthefire · Post #1374 » by **thruthefire** » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:35 pm

Nanogeek wrote:The way some people talk on this board sometimes I'm wondering if they'd balk at a Faried for Biyombo deal because of Biyombo's "ceiling."

Didn't you hear? Faried would forget how to rebound and finish at the rim if he played for the Bobcats.

I can deal with the upside comments for now, even though he's shown no improvement from his rookie season. Biz is 20, doesn't have much basketball experience, and has a lot to work with physically.

chrbal · Post #1375 » by **chrbal** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 12:04 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/885/ben-wallace http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... ck-biyombo

Also, THE BOBCATS SHOULD HIRE BEN WALLACE TO WORK WITH BISMACK

Eoghan · Post #1376 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:17 am

thruthefire wrote:
Nanogeek wrote:The way some people talk on this board sometimes I'm wondering if they'd balk at a Faried for Biyombo deal because of Biyombo's "ceiling."

Didn't you hear? Faried would forget how to rebound and finish at the rim if he played for the Bobcats.

I can deal with the upside comments for now, even though he's shown no improvement from his rookie season. Biz is 20, doesn't have much basketball experience, and has a lot to work with physically.

Somebody didn't watch Bismack's rookie season.

thruthefire · Post #1377 » by **thruthefire** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 1:26 am

Denial is a river in Egypt, or something like that. I forget how it goes...

doc.end · Post #1378 » by **doc.end** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 3:03 am

Chandler is a replaceable swingman, albeit good, who would walked or need to be overpaid sooner or later. McGee, come on, even contract put aside. Koufos would get us nowhere. There are poster complaining how we don't get anything for our expiring players and lose them for nothing (Felton, Diaw, Augustin, Henderson?) and on the other hand some would trade our prospects for assets who would do just that thus leaving us with nor prospect nor player. One thing is no matter how much Bismack wouzld pan out, he could be kept for a fair value once his contract is up as there should be some loyalty, especially considerting the spanish buyout issues. Which could be an asset itself considering cap restrictions in new CBA. So I am not ready to dump Bismack for some short on court improvement, I think no matter which role would Biz would be able to play for us, he would be on good impact:price ratio and great effort:price ratio.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1379 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 3:03 am

thruthefire wrote:Denial is a river in Egypt, or something like that. I forget how it goes...

Fail.

Eoghan · Post #1380 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Mar 1, 2013 3:40 am

http://www.foxsportscarolinas.com/02/28/13/Bobcats-Biyombo-benefits-from-team-vets/landing_bobcats.html?blockID=871337&feedID=3555