We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1361 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Mon May 4, 2015 11:15 pm

Lance can work as hard as he wants ... but it's not going to change the fact that he's a bad fit on this team. He needs a different coach and a different PG to really flourish. Work on his part isn't going to fix this situation.

Post #1362 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue May 5, 2015 12:01 am

Maybe you're right, but no player that shoots as poorly as he did is going to look like a good fit in any system IMO. Improving his shot would be huge.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1363 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue May 5, 2015 2:08 am

And I'm not trying to be anti-Kemba or anti-Cliff or even anti-Lance. It's just that Lance isn't in the right situation for how he plays and what he can do. I do wish things were different.

BeesWax · Post #1364 » by **BeesWax** » Tue May 5, 2015 2:14 am

I think he could thrive running the second unit if the offense is more open. A little but of offensive creativity and I think he could provide some solid minutes in that group.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1365 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue May 5, 2015 2:40 am

If wishes were fishes we would all cast nets.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1366 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue May 5, 2015 2:43 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:If wishes were fishes we would all cast nets.

Always loved that quote.

Post #1367 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue May 5, 2015 3:11 am

I don't think anyone but Lance can be blamed for shooting 17% from three. Doesn't make sense to me to act like it's a fit or system issue. He could have a nice role if defenses had to respect his shot like at all.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1368 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue May 5, 2015 3:28 am

Of course a large part of that was on Lance. That said, system, coaching, and teammates had a big impact as well. This isn't an either or situation. It's both.

blind prophet · Post #1369 » by **blind prophet** » Tue May 5, 2015 6:46 am

How do you guys feel about a Stauskas and Landry swap?

Feeling this out a little for Kings board.

Could in theory toss in McCallum too if we had to.

BeesWax · Post #1370 » by **BeesWax** » Tue May 5, 2015 12:32 pm

I agree that you can't put the 17% completely on Lance. Nothing was done to help him fit in and he came in out of shape and got hurt. All of this played into it over the season. Hopefully he works hard with the team this offseason and coach works hard on figuring out how to use players in some more creative ways. Maybe this was the result that needed to happen for both Lance and Clifford to grow. I would love for him to turn around and have a year that makes it worth picking up that option.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1371 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue May 5, 2015 4:36 pm

blind prophet wrote:How do you guys feel about a Stauskas and Landry swap?

Feeling this out a little for Kings board.

Could in theory toss in McCallum too if we had to.

Lots of folks here are hoping for improvement form Lance this year. I'm not one of them. I think that he needs a new situation. From my POV that trade works for me. I also think that it's realistic to think about a Marvin Williams to the Kings trade.

Stauskas is hugely popular here even after his performance last year. Landry is a very realistic guy for our coach to be interested in, so trading for him is realistic.

I think that it's even possible that there are 3 way trades out there with the Kings, Hornets, and a 3rd team like Denver that might make sense for everyone involved.

blind prophet · Post #1372 » by **blind prophet** » Tue May 5, 2015 8:31 pm

Lance is gamble worth looking at for us. His team option makes it a little easier after next season. We could use a certain solution to SG, while Lance has had troubles, he could be the permanent fill to that void if it works out. We could use the toughness too.

Maybe we all get together on draft day, everyone help each other out a little bit.

Thanks Vanderbilt.

HornetJail · Post #1373 » by **HornetJail** » Tue May 5, 2015 8:41 pm

I'd rather let Lance play out next season than take on Landry's deal. Nothing Stauskas has done excited me enough to take on Landry's contract, which eats up like $6M next year and the year after (2016) while he's firmly planted behind Zeller and Vonleh in the rotation. If yall were dumping Thompson (smaller 2016 guarantee) I'd do it.

Post #1374 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue May 5, 2015 8:43 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Stauskas is hugely popular here even after his performance last year.

He's a cheap option, but "hugely popular" is a bit of an overstatement. I think there's just more familiarity because lots of folks thought we were drafting him.

blind prophet · Post #1375 » by **blind prophet** » Tue May 5, 2015 9:00 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:I'd rather let Lance play out next season than take on Landry's deal. Nothing Stauskas has done excited me enough to take on Landry's contract, which eats up like $6M next year and the year after (2016) while he's firmly planted behind Zeller and Vonleh in the rotation. If yall were dumping Thompson (smaller 2016 guarantee) I'd do it.

I figured as much.

The incentive for the Kings is not enough sending Thompson out the door.

So sending you Stauskas and receiving Lance is gonna have to take 3 teams or 4 possibly.

We've got McCallum too.

I would not accept Stauskas + Landry straight up either.

The issue with Nik, is he has elite level competency if he brings it together shooting. Sure he sucked last year, but it is one of those things that has a shot to come around. We need Thompson too to hold the fort down right now with our cap situation as well.

Eoghan · Post #1376 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 7, 2015 2:45 am

blind prophet wrote:How do you guys feel about a Stauskas and Landry swap?

Feeling this out a little for Kings board.

Could in theory toss in McCallum too if we had to.

I love McCallum but I have to turn down any and all Landry deals. I will throw a noose over the doorknob if I have to see a Landry-Maxiell front-court and let's face it, with Clifford that's a real possibility.

HornetJail · Post #1377 » by **HornetJail** » Thu May 7, 2015 2:47 am

BrotherDave wrote:
blind prophet wrote:How do you guys feel about a Stauskas and Landry swap?

Feeling this out a little for Kings board.

Could in theory toss in McCallum too if we had to.

I love McCallum but I have to turn down any and all Landry deals. I will throw a noose over the doorknob if I have to see a Landry-Maxiell front-court and let's face it, with Clifford that's a real possibility.

I'd be more worried about him playing Marvin+Landry together. I hope Cho realizes Maxiell's shortcomings and doesn't re-sign him, which I think is a bigger possibility.

Eoghan · Post #1378 » by **Eoghan** » Thu May 7, 2015 2:52 am

Landry would definitely get unjustified PT over Zeller and Vonleh thanks to "veteran presence" and "effort." An undersized, aging "big" man is like Clifford's guilty pleasure.

But McCallum would be a great fit here, I think he could play off-ball from Kemba and provide some McBob skills of playmaking and spacing.

Rusted · Post #1379 » by **Rusted** » Thu May 7, 2015 3:14 am

I think we need to give Lance a chance, at best he returns to form and becomes a good player for the Hornets, at worst he plays bad again, gets dwindling minutes and has a contract that can be terminated in a year - giving us more flexibility for 2016 FA. I think it will probably be somewhere in between but he gains some of his stock back.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1380 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu May 7, 2015 5:51 am

Lance's expiring contract is worthless.