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Post #1361 » by **Diop** » Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:16 am

Doc Rivers really is an idiot, there was no need to play embiid in a blow out, it was clearly getting chippy.

Protect your star

LofJ · Post #1362 » by **LofJ** » Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:14 am

Yea or Nay?

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HornetJail · Post #1363 » by **HornetJail** » Sun May 1, 2022 8:07 pm

I wonder what Gary Payton II is going to get in free agency, he'd be a real nice addition for us

JMAC3 · Post #1364 » by **JMAC3** » Mon May 9, 2022 12:24 am

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:I wonder what Gary Payton II is going to get in free agency, he'd be a real nice addition for us

I think he is a room exception type of guy at best which is like 4.5 mil, but no more than 2 years.

Seems like a good rate for the rotation defenders, but not good enough to be starters.
Torrey Craig, Gary Payton, Martin Twins, Garrett Temple, Harkless types...

Could someone offer them the full MLE? Yeah. Those are how you get guys on your team like Delon Wright, Derrick Jones Jr and Cedi Osman all pushing 10 million and you're asking yourself is this guy one of my best 8-9 guys every night? ehhhh

HornetJail · Post #1365 » by **HornetJail** » Mon May 9, 2022 12:51 am

JMAC3 wrote:
KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:I wonder what Gary Payton II is going to get in free agency, he'd be a real nice addition for us

I think he is a room exception type of guy at best which is like 4.5 mil, but no more than 2 years.

Seems like a good rate for the rotation defenders, but not good enough to be starters.
Torrey Craig, Gary Payton, Martin Twins, Garrett Temple, Harkless types...

Could someone offer them the full MLE? Yeah. Those are how you get guys on your team like Delon Wright, Derrick Jones Jr and Cedi Osman all pushing 10 million and you're asking yourself is this guy one of my best 8-9 guys every night? ehhhh

He's definitely a situational guy. If we need more D, play Payton, need more O play Bouknight.

I think if we trade for a center, draft a wing, we use the equivalent of the tax MLE (~6.4M) to get a guy who can guard guards. I would be more than comfortable giving him that, especially if we're priced out on Cody Martin... but even with Martin, I think it would be nice to have 2 backups who defend and hustle their balls off. Only downside of that is we'd be looking at another year of Point Rozier with the second unit, and ideally I'd want a backup who can let Terry play off the ball. Unfortunately, guards who can D up, handle, and facilitate don't grow on trees and would cost more.

Post #1366 » by **Diop** » Fri May 13, 2022 3:57 am

I enjoyed watching Rivers, Harden and Embiid getting kicked out of the finals.

I've never seen a centre fall over so much

HornetJail · Post #1367 » by **HornetJail** » Fri May 13, 2022 4:47 am

Diop wrote:I enjoyed watching Rivers, Harden and Embiid getting kicked out of the finals.

I've never seen a centre fall over so much

counterpoint: Roy Hibbert

Post #1368 » by **Diop** » Fri May 13, 2022 4:49 am

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
Diop wrote:I enjoyed watching Rivers, Harden and Embiid getting kicked out of the finals.

I've never seen a centre fall over so much

counterpoint: Roy Hibbert

Hibbert would have shattered if he fell over as much as Embiid :lol:

Post #1369 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat May 14, 2022 5:06 pm

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JMAC3 · Post #1370 » by **JMAC3** » Sat May 14, 2022 5:37 pm

yosemiteben wrote:

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Doc did a good job I think, Philly had ZERO Depth. If they can keep core of Embiid, Harden, Maxey, Harris, Thybulle together and just grab a couple cheap Vet mins and a good MLE option they will have a title contender.

They were counting on Niang, Paul Reed, Millsap and Shake Milton off the bench. That is rough.

SWedd523 · Post #1371 » by **SWedd523** » Sat May 14, 2022 6:24 pm

Doc is super overrated. I hope he does go to LA

JMAC3 · Post #1372 » by **JMAC3** » Sat May 14, 2022 6:36 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Doc is super overrated. I hope he does go to LA

Is he? his teams are always in the mix and that's all you can really ask. Players win championships in todays NBA, not coaches.

SWedd523 · Post #1373 » by **SWedd523** » Sat May 14, 2022 10:11 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Doc is super overrated. I hope he does go to LA

Is he? his teams are always in the mix and that's all you can really ask. Players win championships in todays NBA, not coaches.

He's always in the mix because players like him and teams keep hiring him to stick around. He's generally underperformed everywhere he's been.

He's coached some incredibly talented teams and has had more playoff letdowns than not

JMAC3 · Post #1374 » by **JMAC3** » Sun May 15, 2022 1:14 am

SWedd523 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Doc is super overrated. I hope he does go to LA

Is he? his teams are always in the mix and that's all you can really ask. Players win championships in todays NBA, not coaches.

He's always in the mix because players like him and teams keep hiring him to stick around. He's generally underperformed everywhere he's been.

He's coached some incredibly talented teams and has had more playoff letdowns than not

What team did he coach that should of won a title tho? Those Clippers teams were fine, but were never going to beat Heat or Warriors.

SWedd523 · Post #1375 » by **SWedd523** » Sun May 15, 2022 2:07 am

9 years in Boston featuring multiple HOF players and only made it past the Eastern Semis 3 times. 4/9 times either first round exit or missed playoffs.

7 years in LA with multiple HOF guys and NEVER made it past the Conference Semis. 4/7 seasons either first round exit or missed playoffs.

Two seasons in Philly with multiple HOF players and hasn't made it past the Semis yet.

104-100 overall playoff record. Barely over .500 and he's had guys like Embiid, Harden, Paul, Griffin, Jordan, Kawhi, Paul George, Garnett, Allen, Pierce, and so on.

He's one of those coaches who "performs" because star players like him. He's managed to get out coached more often than not when the games actually matter.

Vastly overrated

JMAC3 · Post #1376 » by **JMAC3** » Sun May 15, 2022 2:22 am

SWedd523 wrote:9 years in Boston featuring multiple HOF players and only made it past the Eastern Semis 3 times. 4/9 times either first round exit or missed playoffs.

7 years in LA with multiple HOF guys and NEVER made it past the Conference Semis. 4/7 seasons either first round exit or missed playoffs.

Two seasons in Philly with multiple HOF players and hasn't made it past the Semis yet.

104-100 overall playoff record. Barely over .500 and he's had guys like Embiid, Harden, Paul, Griffin, Jordan, Kawhi, Paul George, Garnett, Allen, Pierce, and so on.

He's one of those coaches who "performs" because star players like him. He's managed to get out coached more often than not when the games actually matter.

Vastly overrated

Lol at Celtics logic.
His first three years in Boston he had Pierce. He didn't get KG and Allen until year 4. So in 5 years he had a decent team he got bounced in first round 1 time (last year when team was old) and made finals twice and won it once. lost to LeBron in ECF once.

Then over next 9 years in LA and Philly he is 94 games over .500 with teams that were never probably even top 3 odds to win a title.

Coaches don't win championships. Players win Championships. I love Spo, but he is 2-3 in finals with LeBron in his prime for 4 out of those. Is he a bad coach?

If anyone thought Philly should of been in the finals this year with that roster thats laughable. If you want to fire Doc because he lost in 6 to #1 seed after missing his best player for 2 games and 70% for the next 4 then you have unrealistic expectations on what a coach should be doing at this level.

Post #1377 » by **Diop** » Sun May 15, 2022 3:04 am

Put me in the Docs overrated camp.

His adjustments in playoff series are terrible hence why he has lost after 3-1 leads.

Post #1378 » by **JDR720** » Sun May 15, 2022 3:42 am

Doc is an average coach. He's coached a dozen HOF players (mostly in their primes) yet only got 1 title out of it.

His playoff record, considering the talent he has had, is bad. No other coach has blown as many 3-1 leads, by a large margin.

Players win in todays league, but everywhere Doc goes they don't win as much as they should. Therefore, he is the common denominator for their underachieving.

Spo is a very good coach. He has managed to help keep Miami competitive pretty much every year he has been there, even after LeBron/Wade/Bosh left/retired. They may win a title this season with Jimmy Butler as their best player.

JMAC3 · Post #1379 » by **JMAC3** » Sun May 15, 2022 3:57 am

Yall are wild, Doc went 48-34 with Tobias Harris, Lou Will and Harrell after Clippers sent away CP3, Blake and Deandre.

CP3, Kawhi and Blake got hurt every playoff run. Is that Doc's fault? Now again with Embiid

He would easily be the best coach Charlotte has ever had.

JMAC3 · Post #1380 » by **JMAC3** » Sun May 15, 2022 5:54 am

Jrue Holiday was traded for bad contract of Eric Bledsoe, corpse of George Hill, 3 late firsts on a team with a top 5 1-2 punch, and two meaningless swap rights.

Would you trade 13 and 15 for 3 future Bucks firsts and Eric Bledsoe?

Crazy how much firsts on these awesome teams are over valued and mid firsts are undervalued.

Essentially top 10 picks are never ever traded for players in the NBA.

Last two I can think is 8th for Jrich and 6th for Jrue initially when Sixers first blew it up. All other top 10 picks were pretty much moved months in advance as part of packages for star players without knowing the value of the pick.

Klove for #1 was weird because people knew that draft was ehhh and it guaranteed LeBron so it was pretty easy move for Cleveland.

So in my mind if top 10 picks are moved basically once a decade for a player then picks 10-15 should be considered the most realistic draft assets that will be moved. Hence they should be overvalued as top tier picks.