OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread

Liver_Pooty · Post #1381 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Oct 8, 2013 7:01 pm

"About time for him to get paid" "He's not on his way out of the league, but...."

Think I may try to contact that guy.

HornetJail · Post #1382 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 4:42 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:"About time for him to get paid" "He's not on his way out of the league, but...."

Think I may try to make physical contact with that guy's face.

fixed

Durins Baynes · Post #1383 » by **Durins Baynes** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 7:54 am

That article looked pretty fair to me. It had MKG in a category of players that included Favors and Kanter, who nobody considers scrubs. All it said was he's got to improve, and I don't think anyone here would (or should) dispute that.

Benjamin Linus · Post #1384 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 2:44 pm

I want to see MKG add more to his game if it's going to be a while for his jumper to come around. I would like to see him incorporate floaters and hook shots into his game. Two shots that he could utilize that doesn't involve his crappy shooting mechanics.

I would also like to see him work on his post game, his passing, and drawing free-throws. He's got to find ways to get involved offensively. He's shown flashes of a post game and some passing skills, so there's a foundation there, but there is also plenty of room for improvement. Instead of hesitating when he gets the ball, he needs to go to work. If there's nothing there, dish it off, he now has guys around him that can score. And for a guy that drives as much as he does, he should be drawing fouls at a higher rate. It would be one thing if he were a crappy FT shooter, but he's not. Take some pointers from Sessions. MKG could make a strong impact just by learning the art of drawing fouls alone.

Post #1385 » by **fatlever** » Wed Oct 9, 2013 3:28 pm

Durins Baynes wrote:That article looked pretty fair to me. It had MKG in a category of players that included Favors and Kanter, who nobody considers scrubs. All it said was he's got to improve, and I don't think anyone here would (or should) dispute that.

its not his inclusion in the article that was annoying, it was the comments in the article. as others pointed out, the two quotes that stood out were "About time for him to get paid" and "He's not on his way out of the league, but....", both of those comments are a bit ridiculous. he is not close to contract extension time and even if he never gets one ounce better as a pro, he'll have a 10 year career as a wing defender/rebounder. it was just lazy journalism from a guy who i actually respect. kyler is usually one of the better writers out there.

Post #1386 » by **fatlever** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:41 am

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/1 ... ldWYhCBzmY

“I turned down a couple of shots last game that I should have shot. I’m working off Al Jefferson in the post and my point guard, also. That’s it, really,” Kidd-Gilchrist described.

“I’ve been a so-called driver all my lifetime, I guess. I just want to prove I have an outside shot, too. It’s just a matter of taking that jumper and not caring. Just playing. Last game I wasn’t doing that.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/1 ... rylink=cpy

“He had a couple of those opportunities he turned down. I told him that at halftime and he said, ‘I’m thinking about it too much.’ That’s the biggest thing we don’t want him doing – (over-)thinking. Play the game and take your shots when they’re open.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/1 ... rylink=cpy

“His best thing, to me is catch and just attack. One or two dribbles to the basket,’’ Clifford said. “There are very few guys in this league who play around with the ball and really get there – a Chris Paul, but there aren’t many guys who can do that. His best plays that I’ve seen are catch-boom-one/two dribbles to the rim.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/1 ... rylink=cpy

mrknowitall215 · Post #1387 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:14 am

This needed to be addressed. It's a good thing that the coaching staff noticed it & made it a concern that needed to be fixed immediately. I have a lot of respect for this coaching staff already. MKG almost single-handedly hurt the Bobcats offense the other night by not shooting. Even if he missed it would've been more acceptable than being hesitant & not shooting

ball teacher · Post #1388 » by **ball teacher** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:25 am

fatlever wrote:http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/10/10/4379146/charlotte-bobcats-michael-kidd.html#.UldWYhCBzmY

“I turned down a couple of shots last game that I should have shot. I’m working off Al Jefferson in the post and my point guard, also. That’s it, really,” Kidd-Gilchrist described.

“I’ve been a so-called driver all my lifetime, I guess. I just want to prove I have an outside shot, too. It’s just a matter of taking that jumper and not caring. Just playing. Last game I wasn’t doing that.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/1 ... rylink=cpy

“He had a couple of those opportunities he turned down. I told him that at halftime and he said, ‘I’m thinking about it too much.’ That’s the biggest thing we don’t want him doing – (over-)thinking. Play the game and take your shots when they’re open.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/1 ... rylink=cpy

“His best thing, to me is catch and just attack. One or two dribbles to the basket,’’ Clifford said. “There are very few guys in this league who play around with the ball and really get there – a Chris Paul, but there aren’t many guys who can do that. His best plays that I’ve seen are catch-boom-one/two dribbles to the rim.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/1 ... rylink=cpy

This is basically what Big Slam and I mentioned during the first preseason game, it's no real reason to try and change the man's shot because a coach doesn't think the motion is pretty enough, especially when the shot isn't really a bad shot. Now you've created a doubt in MKG that was never there, if anything they shouldve worked on his shooting off the dribble, this is what can help the guy get to the next level as a player and this is his major weakness.
Right now MKG either catches and shoots or attacks the rim, there is no in between with him, no floater like the poster before me mentioned, no pull up off the jumper, just no in between game, so if MKG attacks off the dribble he tends to over commit at times. I think hell be ok if a good coach steps in and helps before this gets out of hand.

countryboi · Post #1389 » by **countryboi** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:52 am

ball teacher wrote:
fatlever wrote:http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/10/10/4379146/charlotte-bobcats-michael-kidd.html#.UldWYhCBzmY

“I turned down a couple of shots last game that I should have shot. I’m working off Al Jefferson in the post and my point guard, also. That’s it, really,” Kidd-Gilchrist described.

“I’ve been a so-called driver all my lifetime, I guess. I just want to prove I have an outside shot, too. It’s just a matter of taking that jumper and not caring. Just playing. Last game I wasn’t doing that.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/1 ... rylink=cpy

“He had a couple of those opportunities he turned down. I told him that at halftime and he said, ‘I’m thinking about it too much.’ That’s the biggest thing we don’t want him doing – (over-)thinking. Play the game and take your shots when they’re open.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/1 ... rylink=cpy

“His best thing, to me is catch and just attack. One or two dribbles to the basket,’’ Clifford said. “There are very few guys in this league who play around with the ball and really get there – a Chris Paul, but there aren’t many guys who can do that. His best plays that I’ve seen are catch-boom-one/two dribbles to the rim.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/1 ... rylink=cpy

This is basically what Big Slam and I mentioned during the first preseason game, it's no real reason to try and change the man's shot because a coach doesn't think the motion is pretty enough, especially when the shot isn't really a bad shot. Now you've created a doubt in MKG that was never there, if anything they shouldve worked on his shooting off the dribble, this is what can help the guy get to the next level as a player and this is his major weakness.
Right now MKG either catches and shoots or attacks the rim, there is no in between with him, no floater like the poster before me mentioned, no pull up off the jumper, just no in between game, so if MKG attacks off the dribble he tends to over commit at times. I think hell be ok if a good coach steps in and helps before this gets out of hand.

Lets be real MKG shot was broken....if in the short term he is doubting himself its a minor setback, we are playing the long game here. He will be fine

vorbis · Post #1390 » by **vorbis** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:17 am

countryboi wrote:Lets be real MKG shot was broken....if in the short term he is doubting himself its a minor setback, we are playing the long game here. He will be fine

i have to agree with the previously made point in that, when the time comes, MKG has to shoot the jumper with confidence, broken or no, because in certain scenarios its the best shot available. even if its a work in progress, if he can't pull the trigger in rhythm, then he's a detriment to the offense on the floor.

ball teacher · Post #1391 » by **ball teacher** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:27 am

vorbis wrote:
countryboi wrote:Lets be real MKG shot was broken....if in the short term he is doubting himself its a minor setback, we are playing the long game here. He will be fine

i have to agree with the previously made point in that, when the time comes, MKG has to shoot the jumper with confidence, broken or no, because in certain scenarios its the best shot available. even if its a work in progress, if he can't pull the trigger in rhythm, then he's a detriment to the offense on the floor.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mUh8DoRAgs[/youtube]

From 3:15-3:45 You can see MKG shooting in rhythm with confidence, and honestly in these clips the shot doesnt even look really that ugly as he took them, but if you watch this highlight you will see what I was saying about MKG either putting his head down and attacking or those set jumpers, no in between game. Even some of the closer shots he made inside were really tough shots where he had to use his athletcism to pull the shots off. I know this is just a highlight reel, but MKG DID make a decent amount of jumpers.

Another thing, in these clips you see MKG getting rebounds or loose balls and leading the breaks, this is another aspect of his game that I fear the coach may take away from him. MKG can lead the breaks and make the right passes or finish strong at the rim. Last year MKG's minutes seemed unfairly limited, now I think this coach may limit his offensive game by reducing his role, I hope I'm wrong but this is what I think might happen.

vorbis · Post #1392 » by **vorbis** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:20 pm

ball teacher wrote:From 3:15-3:45 You can see MKG shooting in rhythm with confidence, and honestly in these clips the shot doesnt even look really that ugly as he took them, but if you watch this highlight you will see what I was saying about MKG either putting his head down and attacking or those set jumpers, no in between game. Even some of the closer shots he made inside were really tough shots where he had to use his athletcism to pull the shots off. I know this is just a highlight reel, but MKG DID make a decent amount of jumpers.

those are highlights taken from the entire season. MKG was VERY hesitant with his jumpshot last season and it was a significant issue. he maybe made 15 jumpers the entire season. it was definitely an issue in the first preseason game as well. he's got to take the shot with confidence or i'll bet he won't get as much playing time as he or the fans want. that is a bare minimum kind of thing. i'm sure he knows that and it's just preseason right now.

Snidely FC · Post #1393 » by **Snidely FC** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:47 pm

One thing is, Clifford had MKG in the corner Tues night. Why? That's the worst possible spot for him. The corner should be where your best shooter hangs out and it limits angles for drives.Would like to see Hendo/Taylor in the corner with MKG at the wing to maximize his talents.

ball teacher · Post #1394 » by **ball teacher** » Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:17 pm

Snidely FC wrote:One thing is, Clifford had MKG in the corner Tues night. Why? That's the worst possible spot for him. The corner should be where your best shooter hangs out and it limits angles for drives.Would like to see Hendo/Taylor in the corner with MKG at the wing to maximize his talents.

I agree 100%, if you don't like his jump shot dont have him camped out in the corner unless you want to limit his role in the offense.

Liamuk · Post #1395 » by **Liamuk** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:52 pm

I think Clifford needs to let MKG influence the game his own way, when you leave the kid up to it he gets the job done, of course i understand the jump shooting can be a problem, I'd love to see him taking more jump shots confidently. Happy to see he's working with other players and learning more.

Confidence, a main issue i want to touch on with MKG, when he gets going he can really make peoples lives hard, but from time to time he lacks confidence, i know he's still young but if he had that confidence his shot would come along and so would his defence (From UK) against the bigger players out there, as I've mentioned on another thread.

Really excited to see him put up some real figures this year although not seeing them isn't as worrying when you're talking about MKG, complete opposite of a stat padder whilst still getting it done. We are lucky to have such a player we can shape for the future, complete confidence in his inner star ability.

LamarMatic7 · Post #1396 » by **LamarMatic7** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:36 am

vorbis wrote:he maybe made 15 jumpers the entire season.

don't get caught up in the faulty Jalen Rose stats. He made 57 shots from farther than 16 feet last year.

Durins Baynes · Post #1397 » by **Durins Baynes** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:07 am

What percentage did he shoot on them?

HornetJail · Post #1398 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:27 am

b-r says MKG shot 31% (54/175) from 16-23 feet and 2 of 9 (22%) from 3. All but 11 of those were assisted.

Durins Baynes · Post #1399 » by **Durins Baynes** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:35 am

So, obviously a lot to work on. Look, I remember with fondness the old school Hornets, I look forward to them being good again with their old school colours and gear. I don't like seeing them struggle like this. But it's really, really hard to be positive about MKG right now. I have an easier time being positive about Biyombo at this point than I do MKG, and I think the Bobcats should trade Yombo before his trade value drops.

Maybe there'd be less pressure if they just started bringing MKG off the bench, and letting him play a 6th man role, working his way into the rotation. Forced into the starting line up as he is, he looks lost most of the time (especially with few shooters or shot creators on the court with him in the starting 5).

vorbis · Post #1400 » by **vorbis** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:20 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:don't get caught up in the faulty Jalen Rose stats. He made 57 shots from farther than 16 feet last year.

i don't know anything about jalen rose stats. i was going by my (apparently faulty) own memory. 0.7 per game is still a fairly negligible number, in fairness to my (faulty) memory.