Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[bws94]

Vae, Lin says he plays best when he's calm. I don't know if the chip on the shoulder thing is his way. It's putting a lot on Lin to have him be some rep for his culture. He's just got to go out and do his thing his way. And I think that's working for him.

[Vae Victus]

Well its a state of mind. If he think he plays better calm then he's likely wired himself that way. Personally there's alot of times where i feel that if he had a hard edge it make his game alot stronger. He's got such great quicks and instincts if he combines it with some more intensity and then brings it all game long i really feel he can propel himself into the 2nd tier of PGs in the league. Also its the whole life not going his way and letting himself get own down, when he needs to psych himself up much like how he does in the 4th quarter of close games. If only he can play like that all the time, mistakes and all, he'd be much more of an impact player where coaches have no choice but to let him ball out and not find excuses for the shortcomings he has. Hell even if he can only go hard mode 28 mins a game, at least in those 28 mins it'll be super high impact.

[TinmanZBoy]

Well its a state of mind. If he think he plays better calm then he's likely wired himself that way. Personally there's alot of times where i feel that if he had a hard edge it make his game alot stronger. He's got such great quicks and instincts if he combines it with some more intensity and then brings it all game long i really feel he can propel himself into the 2nd tier of PGs in the league. Also its the whole life not going his way and letting himself get own down, when he needs to psych himself up much like how he does in the 4th quarter of close games. If only he can play like that all the time, mistakes and all, he'd be much more of an impact player where coaches have no choice but to let him ball out and not find excuses for the shortcomings he has. Hell even if he can only go hard mode 28 mins a game, at least in those 28 mins it'll be super high impact.

i think he is pretty intense and competitive on the court, plus basketball and football are different, football is a brutal game, basketball is not...

[Vae Victus]

HA! Tell that to the big men... oh wait *looks at Hawes, Cody, Al Jeff* yea nvm bball has really pussified the inside game these days.

[13th Man]

Vae, Lin says he plays best when he's calm. I don't know if the chip on the shoulder thing is his way. It's putting a lot on Lin to have him be some rep for his culture. He's just got to go out and do his thing his way. And I think that's working for him.

I think Lin plays best when he's comfortable with his role. There were a couple of instances I could remember where he was starting to get comfy and was playing good basketball but got the rugged pulled from under him by McHale and then BS. Anyway that's water under the bridge, I sense that he's starting to get comfortable here in Charlotte. *knock on wood*

[kinein]

Vae, Lin says he plays best when he's calm. I don't know if the chip on the shoulder thing is his way. It's putting a lot on Lin to have him be some rep for his culture. He's just got to go out and do his thing his way. And I think that's working for him.

I think Lin plays best when he's comfortable with his role. There were a couple of instances I could remember where he was starting to get comfy and was playing good basketball but got the rugged pulled from under him by McHale and then BS. Anyway that's water under the bridge, I sense that he's starting to get comfortable here in Charlotte. *knock on wood*

Haven't seen him as Comfy as that 38pt against the Spurs, or the record breaking # of 3pters he made at the 76ers arena, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taGoDWm_L3o
* He's got the ability, but can he consistently play at that level.

I don't have an answer, he had a bit of a slump earlier this season and he's had injuries and aches/pains like anyone else. As long as he keeps on developing I look forward to him being able to contribute to the Hornets.

Sucks that he picked up 3 pfs in the 1st half of the game vs the Rockets thus far. I'd love to see the Hornets beat the Rockets.

[kinein]

My prediction, there will be fans that ignore the horrendous shooting by the starters, so lets get that out of the way:

P. Hairston G Min: 19:44 2pt made/attempted 2-12 3pt made/attempted : 2-9 Total Pts: 7
M. Williams F Min: 25:36 2pt made/attempted 2-9 3pt made/attempted : 2-5 Total Pts: 12
N. Batum F Min: 33:40 2pt made/attempted 3-11 3pt made/attempted : 2-5 Total Pts: 9
C. Zeller C Min: 26:26 2pt made/attempted 5-9 Total Pts: 10
K. Walker G Min: 41:07 2pt made/attempted 3-10 3pt made/attempted : 2-6 Total Pts: 14

Other Notables

J. Lamb Min: 19:27 2pt made/attempted 3-9 3pt made/attempted :1-5 Total Pts: 10


J. Lin Min: 21:46 2pt made/attempted 4-6 3pt made/attempted :1-3 Total Pts: 13

http://www.nba.com/games/20151221/CHAHOU/gameinfo.html?ls=eref:google:1b:live


The team as a whole played horribly. Lin could have made more of a contribution if he didn't pick up 3 PFs in the 1st half. Lin's free throws were sad, but it wasn't the reason why the Hornets lost. The worst moment for me was the deflected Dunk.

But the team in general needs to do work and start reviewing video and find a way to step it up.

New goals for the Hornets:

Be able to win consistently against the Rockets Cavs Warriors.

[lin is ok]

My prediction, there will be fans that ignore the horrendous shooting by the starters, so lets get that out of the way:

P. Hairston G Min: 19:44 2pt made/attempted 2-12 3pt made/attempted : 2-9 Total Pts: 7
M. Williams F Min: 25:36 2pt made/attempted 2-9 3pt made/attempted : 2-5 Total Pts: 12
N. Batum F Min: 33:40 2pt made/attempted 3-11 3pt made/attempted : 2-5 Total Pts: 9
C. Zeller C Min: 26:26 2pt made/attempted 5-9 Total Pts: 10
K. Walker G Min: 41:07 2pt made/attempted 3-10 3pt made/attempted : 2-6 Total Pts: 14

Other Notables

J. Lamb Min: 19:27 2pt made/attempted 3-9 3pt made/attempted :1-5 Total Pts: 10


J. Lin Min: 21:46 2pt made/attempted 4-6 3pt made/attempted :1-3 Total Pts: 13

http://www.nba.com/games/20151221/CHAHOU/gameinfo.html?ls=eref:google:1b:live


The team as a whole played horribly. Lin could have made more of a contribution if he didn't pick up 3 PFs in the 1st half. Lin's free throws were sad, but it wasn't the reason why the Hornets lost. The worst moment for me was the deflected Dunk.

But the team in general needs to do work and start reviewing video and find a way to step it up.

New goals for the Hornets:

Be able to win consistently against the Rockets Cavs Warriors.

1 man the hornets needed those free throws bad. but at that point it was already desperation. too bad we couldn't lock down on harden when we had that little breath of a lead.

2 what do you guys think about those 3 fouls which lin picked up in the first half, i think it had a massive negative impact on the rest of the game. Maybe there is a point to letting PJ or some else take the defensive load on folks like Harden.

[kinein]

1 man the hornets needed those free throws bad. but at that point it was already desperation. too bad we couldn't lock down on harden when we had that little breath of a lead.

2 what do you guys think about those 3 fouls which lin picked up in the first half, i think it had a massive negative impact on the rest of the game. Maybe there is a point to letting PJ or some else take the defensive load on folks like Harden.

Yah. I know. It was desperation at the point, we were holding onto virtually nothing. Most of the Hornets were struggling to hit the broadside of a barn at that point, so unless Lin pulled a miracle 3pt to go with it ( provided anyone on the Hornets actually created the space and fed him the ball ) - I didn't see a win possible. Despite the give-me fouls by the Rockets.

I think the 3PFs by the Rocket Refs hurt the Hornets A LOT but they were playing at the Toyota Center so w.e Refs usually call more for the home crowd don't they?

My only positives was Lin's scoring efficiency, not the free throws (those were the icing on the fail hornet cake). Cody and Frank as well.

I can't get pass how HORRIBLE the shooting efficiency was from the starters though.

In retrospect they shouldn't have had such a close game, defense and hustle kept them in it. The rest was whether they could move the ball for good shots with guys who were able to score more reliably then the rest for tonights game.

For the record when Lin missed his last free throw I turned the game off, and missed the pts he scored after.

Classic Murphys. Bad things come in groups. No point in watching anymore.

[13th Man]

I'm not ready to pronounce Lin as a clutch player, have never been sold on it. It's just not about the missed FTs, what bugged me more was the missed wide open 3 pointer when it was needed most. I still think he gets too nervous in intense situations, that right there is a good indication of it. In his heart, he is still lacking that important piece of self confidence.

[gafun]

After 27 games, you look back all games we won and hope to find what you can learn from it. Based on the following data from NBA.com, could you get any idea how to win more games in the rest of season? I really wish Hornets could make the playoffs or better - pass the first round.

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612766/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Outcome=W

[bws94]

I'm not ready to pronounce Lin as a clutch player, have never been sold on it. It's just not about the missed FTs, what bugged me more was the missed wide open 3 pointer when it was needed most. I still think he gets too nervous in intense situations, that right there is a good indication of it. In his heart, he is still lacking that important piece of self confidence.

Clutch players don't make all of their late shots, they make some. He made clutch plays. The FTs no excuse for. He has to knock those down. I think when Lin goes on instinct in the 4th he's as confident as anyone. Problem is when Batum and Kemba are on the floor he defers. I think the problem is Lin deferring. Take a big player out of the game and that's when Lin gets those 25 plus scoring games.

[steady]

I'm not ready to pronounce Lin as a clutch player, have never been sold on it. It's just not about the missed FTs, what bugged me more was the missed wide open 3 pointer when it was needed most. I still think he gets too nervous in intense situations, that right there is a good indication of it. In his heart, he is still lacking that important piece of self confidence.

Clutch players don't make all of their late shots, they make some. He made clutch plays. The FTs no excuse for. He has to knock those down. I think when Lin goes on instinct in the 4th he's as confident as anyone. Problem is when Batum and Kemba are on the floor he defers. I think the problem is Lin deferring. Take a big player out of the game and that's when Lin gets those 25 plus scoring games.

What was strange to me was how little Batum and Kemba involved Lin in offense once he subbed in in 3rd q. Especially strange because Lins been shooting well and they were having a tough time with their shot. It seemed like it took until Frank passed Lin the ball - and they got a little flow going the two of them that the rest of the team finally settled down too and we had that 10 point run in 4th Q.

Maybe it's the Lin fan in me but the whole unit seems to flow better when Lin is involved because he is so actively looking to create for others.

(I'm not accusing them of icing Lin it felt more like they were playing a bit frantic and forgot they had the option of using Lin)

[13th Man]

I'm not ready to pronounce Lin as a clutch player, have never been sold on it. It's just not about the missed FTs, what bugged me more was the missed wide open 3 pointer when it was needed most. I still think he gets too nervous in intense situations, that right there is a good indication of it. In his heart, he is still lacking that important piece of self confidence.

Clutch players don't make all of their late shots, they make some. He made clutch plays. The FTs no excuse for. He has to knock those down. I think when Lin goes on instinct in the 4th he's as confident as anyone. Problem is when Batum and Kemba are on the floor he defers. I think the problem is Lin deferring. Take a big player out of the game and that's when Lin gets those 25 plus scoring games.

I agree that when he's playing on instinct he's fine. It's when he has too much time to think about the dire of the situation he falters or like you said when there are other players to defer to he'd rather do that. I think one day he'll get there, he's not quite there yet. that's a big hurdle that he needs to overcome. Aside from the obvious superstars, some guys just have that clutch mentality and ice veins like Lillard or even Wes Matthews, it's like they want or look forward to having that shot. Lin is still a bit timid in these situations imo.

[Vae Victus]

Lin had an 2nd excellent half, after that bull 1st half where the refs were calling complete garbage calls. Choking on the FTs hurt alot, but his strong play at the end helped get us within striking distance of victory. A goddamn shame TJones was eating us alive inside and Harden kept getting ridiculous calls.

If he was able to play in the 1st half i think we woulda went into halftime with a sizable lead instead of a deficit. Offensively the bench couldnt get anything going without him.

[leeramundo]

Lin had an 2nd excellent half, after that bull 1st half where the refs were calling complete garbage calls. Choking on the FTs hurt alot, but his strong play at the end helped get us within striking distance of victory. A goddamn shame TJones was eating us alive inside and Harden kept getting ridiculous calls.

If he was able to play in the 1st half i think we woulda went into halftime with a sizable lead instead of a deficit. Offensively the bench couldnt get anything going without him.

If he had made the freethrows, gold hammer would've gone to him for me. But missing 2 is just not forgivable. But yes, it's good to see him to show up big prior to the free throws and we might've had a chance to have gotten a lead going into the half, maybe.

[bigbob]

honestly I think lin should start wearing dark arm sleeves like dwight howard does. Lins skin tone is pretty light so maybe it will make his arms a bit more visible to the refs eyes? The number of calls that lin doesn't get or the false calls that goes against him was just ridiculous this game.

[leeramundo]

honestly I think lin should start wearing dark arm sleeves like dwight howard does. Lins skin tone is pretty light so maybe it will make his arms a bit more visible to the refs eyes? The number of calls that lin doesn't get or the false calls that goes against him was just ridiculous this game.

He should just go for hot pink then, the flamboyance would go well with his hair (only half joking if it actually works)

[bigbob]

honestly I think lin should start wearing dark arm sleeves like dwight howard does. Lins skin tone is pretty light so maybe it will make his arms a bit more visible to the refs eyes? The number of calls that lin doesn't get or the false calls that goes against him was just ridiculous this game.

He should just go for hot pink then, the flamboyance would go well with his hair (only half joking if it actually works)

he should go full out super saiyan 4...red sleeves, dye his hair and eyes red. Maybe get a tail also.

[bws94]

13 Man, yeah, I think I know what you mean by Lin seems a bit "timid" to assert his will on games in the clutch.