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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1381 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:31 pm

fatlever wrote:if the hornets had signed... lets say, achiuwa, for 2/20, instead of plumlee. would that change your opinion?

Achiuwa mildly functions as a center and isn't a telltale sign that Clifford/Kupchak have a voice in our front office

My reaction is less visceral with that signing.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1382 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:37 pm

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fatlever wrote:if the hornets had signed... lets say, achiuwa, for 2/20, instead of plumlee. would that change your opinion?

Achiuwa mildly functions as a center and isn't a telltale sign that Clifford/Kupchak have a voice in our front office

My reaction is less visceral with that signing.


Yeah, beats Miami signing him.

Let's play the reverse.

Heat get stuck with Plumlee. Hornets convince Achiuwa to come here for a starting gig for this season.

Feels better to be Charlotte.

Feels worse to be Miami.

Why should we settle for leftovers?
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1383 » by fatlever » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:00 pm

we all universally hate the plumlee signing.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1384 » by Hornet Mania » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:13 pm

I somehow missed the original announcement of the Plumlee signing. I assumed the first few posts on this board I saw referring to it were just cynical doomer memes.

That's how obviously not a solution that signing was.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1385 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:31 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:I somehow missed the original announcement of the Plumlee signing. I assumed the first few posts on this board I saw referring to it were just cynical doomer memes.

That's how obviously not a solution that signing was.

that's what I thought when "Steve Clifford is returning to Charlotte" rumors started 3 years ago
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1386 » by yosemiteben » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:39 pm

I'm just confused by the sentiment about wanting to see more posts about something that is universally agreed on. Maybe I'm the outlier here, but when literally everyone thinks the same thing, I don't get a ton of enjoyment out of that thing being repeated over and over, pretty much regardless of whatever it is. Just not interesting.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1387 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:56 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I'm just confused by the sentiment about wanting to see more posts about something that is universally agreed on. Maybe I'm the outlier here, but when literally everyone thinks the same thing, I don't get a ton of enjoyment out of that thing being repeated over and over, pretty much regardless of whatever it is. Just not interesting.


You get confused pretty easily.

I particularly enjoy applying constant pressure to a front office for cases like this one where it is specifically warranted.

There is a time for patience, but also a time for urgency.

One function of a fanbase is to pressure a front office to take action, and to press media to ask tougher questions that hold team reps accountable to the public.

When the front office postures like everyone inside the org is content with running with what we currently have at center, the boring thing is to let them mute the voices of fan and just comply with it. Silence is complicity.

You don't support fans unanimous on a position to be vocal about it?

Because it doesn't float your boat?
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1388 » by Hornet Mania » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:57 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I'm just confused by the sentiment about wanting to see more posts about something that is universally agreed on. Maybe I'm the outlier here, but when literally everyone thinks the same thing, I don't get a ton of enjoyment out of that thing being repeated over and over, pretty much regardless of whatever it is. Just not interesting.


To be fair these small signings, like losing PJ Hall to the Grizz or seeing Precious get a deal, pick at the scab every so often. It's natural to note they'd have been better options and it restarts the conversation. But I get what you're saying.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1389 » by yosemiteben » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:18 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:I particularly enjoy applying constant pressure to a front office for cases like this one where it is specifically warranted.

You know the FO doesn't read what you post, right? You aren't pressuring anyone, you're just posting on a message board.

By contrast, we do, and you repeating the same complaints over and over is just tiring IMO.

MasterIchiro wrote:One function of a fanbase is to pressure a front office to take action, and to press media to ask tougher questions that hold team reps accountable to the public.

When the front office postures like everyone inside the org is content with running with what we currently have at center, the boring thing is to let them mute the voices of fan and just comply with it. Silence is complicity.

You posting on here isn't going to pressure the FO to sign a center.

IMO "silence is complicity" is a non-sense take on a message board. If someone agrees with an issue but only posts it once (or doesn't post at all), they aren't complicit in it. That's not how this works.

MasterIchiro wrote:You don't support fans unanimous on a position to be vocal about it?

Because it doesn't float your boat?

Because it gets tiring reading the same takes over and over that aren't controversial. There's nothing new in it, just repeating the same talking point that everyone knows and understands and agrees with.

I view the function of this board to be to facilitate interesting discussion about the team, not a platform to try to influence the FO by repeating criticisms over and over in hopes that someone that matters reads them or cares. There surely are better, more effective ways to try to elevate perceived issues on the FO's radar then posting on a random message board that is extremely unlikely to be read by anyone with any ability to influence our FO's decision making.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1390 » by yosemiteben » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:22 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I'm just confused by the sentiment about wanting to see more posts about something that is universally agreed on. Maybe I'm the outlier here, but when literally everyone thinks the same thing, I don't get a ton of enjoyment out of that thing being repeated over and over, pretty much regardless of whatever it is. Just not interesting.


To be fair these small signings, like losing PJ Hall to the Grizz or seeing Precious get a deal, pick at the scab every so often. It's natural to note they'd have been better options and it restarts the conversation. But I get what you're saying.

Fair point, but also I don't think anyone believes Hall or Precious would actually be a great solution to our C problem. The problem is not having a quality starting C, but those guys aren't that.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1391 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:26 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I particularly enjoy applying constant pressure to a front office for cases like this one where it is specifically warranted.

You know the FO doesn't read what you post, right? You aren't pressuring anyone, you're just posting on a message board.

By contrast, we do, and you repeating the same complaints over and over is just tiring IMO.

MasterIchiro wrote:One function of a fanbase is to pressure a front office to take action, and to press media to ask tougher questions that hold team reps accountable to the public.

When the front office postures like everyone inside the org is content with running with what we currently have at center, the boring thing is to let them mute the voices of fan and just comply with it. Silence is complicity.

You posting on here isn't going to pressure the FO to sign a center.

IMO "silence is complicity" is a non-sense take on a message board. If someone agrees with an issue but only posts it once (or doesn't post at all), they aren't complicit in it. That's not how this works.

MasterIchiro wrote:You don't support fans unanimous on a position to be vocal about it?

Because it doesn't float your boat?

Because it gets tiring reading the same takes over and over that aren't controversial. There's nothing new in it, just repeating the same talking point that everyone knows and understands and agrees with.

I view the function of this board to be to facilitate interesting discussion about the team, not a platform to try to influence the FO by repeating criticisms over and over in hopes that someone that matters reads them or cares. There surely are better, more effective ways to try to elevate perceived issues on the FO's radar then posting on a random message board that is extremely unlikely to be read by anyone with any ability to influence our FO's decision making.


So **** insulting.

What is so confusing to you regarding the concept of a fanbase generating public pressure through multiple networks and channels of fandom include media and social media?
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1392 » by fatlever » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:33 pm

first of all... if the front office does see your post, they'll also see your okc thunder icon next to your name. what message does that send? change it to hornets so they'll know you are a superfan.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1393 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:35 pm

fatlever wrote:first of all... if the front office does see your post, they'll also see your okc thunder icon next to your name. what message does that send? change it to hornets so they'll know you are a superfan.


I literally just said the suggestion that I'm unaware "front office" doesn't read the message board is outright insulting and demeaning to contributors to this community. It insults my intelligence and I think it's uncalled for.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1394 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:36 pm

Not taking the bait with you two mods. I understand you don't want me to post here.

No more cheap thrills for you.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1395 » by Walt Cronkite » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:03 pm

I see we are in the "catastrophically bored" phase of the offseason.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1396 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:05 pm

Alright guys settle down.

I'm in charge now. Lets all get along now. :D
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1397 » by GoBobs » Fri Aug 1, 2025 2:46 am

fatlever wrote:we all universally hate the plumlee signing.


We have the 2028 Clippers 2nd round pick we got for trading Mason still owed to us and we have Mason back on the roster! :P :P :evil: :evil: 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :wink:

I am aiming for trading him for another pick and then getting him back again! 8-)

Also, show some respect for the goat...
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1398 » by Bassman » Fri Aug 1, 2025 3:38 am

I’ve been as bad about beating the “need a real center” drum as anyone. Thing is, I’ve recognized by their comments that Jeffie and Charlie are not doing anything else about it. Once they started their “we’re fine, everything is fine” spin on the 5 spot….that was it.

I think the reason why some long time, long term fans are so ticked about it is our Hornets PTSD from previous years. This isn’t the first time they’ve ignored or put a band aid on that position. We yelled then, lots of fans complained, reporters asked multiple times about the concerns, and the front office/coaches all said it was not a problem, the guys they had would work out. Then, when it became obvious it WAS a horrible strategy to run with those poor choices, they just kept using “Coach speak” to cover their ineptitude.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1399 » by Diop » Fri Aug 1, 2025 5:05 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Not taking the bait with you two mods. I understand you don't want me to post here.

No more cheap thrills for you.

its not that we don't want you to post here. repetitive posts of the same message just get tiresome and draining to read.
Similar to when we had Lin and we used to get flooded with Lin stuff, when its overly repetitive it drives some people away.

if you want to use social media to pressure the Organisation I would recommend using more Twitter and Facebook, the areas with more exposure and users.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#1400 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Aug 1, 2025 12:44 pm

Diop wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Not taking the bait with you two mods. I understand you don't want me to post here.

No more cheap thrills for you.

its not that we don't want you to post here. repetitive posts of the same message just get tiresome and draining to read.
Similar to when we had Lin and we used to get flooded with Lin stuff, when its overly repetitive it drives some people away.

if you want to use social media to pressure the Organisation I would recommend using more Twitter and Facebook, the areas with more exposure and users.


Well pressure has to start somewhere and it is collective pressure, and shouldn't be reduced to one random person in one random forum. Social media users pick up themes and talking points on all platforms, and pressure mounts up the food chain. Just in this forum there are Hornets fans who have platforms with CBS (Nata), Sports Illustrated (Plowright), and radio (Walker Mehl). Medium outfits don't always take cues from ESPN, sometimes it's the reverse, and the medium feeds up the food chain.

Charlotte fanbase has no concept of their potential to influence their organization, never has. But I can promise you it happens with other fanbases who remain vocal. Back in the day, on WFAN, Yankees fans regularly call into radio and just tear the GM a new ass every trade deadline.

The evidence here is you have 2 dudes sitting around getting their rocks off dismissing and mocking a passionate fan.

That **** gets old for us.

You act this way and it gets you Plumlee. And you take it. Every season, you take it.
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