The Trade Thread

chrbal · Post #141 » by **chrbal** » Tue Dec 4, 2012 4:36 pm

Biedrins sucks. Okafors' contract comes off the same year as Ben Gordons'. The idea was more the draft pick. But this team could actually use Emeka. Not to mention it opens up a spot to add a young big (probably a D-Leaguer for now) and Thomas would then get amnestied (unless he suddenly sees the writing on the wall) in the offseason.

In a perfect world we would trade Thomas (and probably Warrick to make the numbers work) to Washington for Emeka Okafor. Thomas is owed about the same amount of money as Okafor, and Okafors' contract is one year shorter.

lmcguir5 · Post #142 » by **lmcguir5** » Tue Dec 4, 2012 4:44 pm

I'm still baffled as to the contract we gave Diop. A backloaded 5yr/$32.3 mil was an atrocious agreement on the team's behalf. Luckily, he is an unrestricted FA after this season and we won't be watching him plod down the court hacking an opposing big man for which we don't have any other option. He may be a good trade candidate for teams looking to shed some salary as he is an expiring contract. Maybe a Diop/Warrick deal isn't as far off as some may think, but I don't think we'll net a real great return on those two.

catch20two · Post #143 » by **catch20two** » Tue Dec 4, 2012 4:49 pm

Emeka would be a godsend for us right now. Anything but Mullens' 37% shooting would be nice. The defense would be a plus as well. If we can land Okafor for Diop/Warrick before it's too late I can see us seriously being in the playoff picture. Not sure if the other Bobcats fan would want that but I'm all for winning and letting the pieces fall.

JT2006 · Post #144 » by **JT2006** » Tue Dec 4, 2012 5:22 pm

lmcguir5 wrote:I'm still baffled as to the contract we gave Diop. A backloaded 5yr/$32.3 mil was an atrocious agreement on the team's behalf. Luckily, he is an unrestricted FA after this season and we won't be watching him plod down the court hacking an opposing big man for which we don't have any other option. He may be a good trade candidate for teams looking to shed some salary as he is an expiring contract. Maybe a Diop/Warrick deal isn't as far off as some may think, but I don't think we'll net a real great return on those two.

Didn't http://www.nba.com/mavericks/news/Diop_and_Barea_sign070908.html give him that contract?

catch20two · Post #145 » by **catch20two** » Tue Dec 4, 2012 8:58 pm

How can we get in on the Pau Gasol trade rumors and come out victorious for the future and present?

Snidely FC · Post #146 » by **Snidely FC** » Tue Dec 4, 2012 9:23 pm

CHA in: Jordan Hill + draft pick

Hill 6' 10, 235 former #8 pick, 25yo, $3.5@2yrs

If you can discern what pick of LAL's we should ask for from the tangle here: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts, please let me know

Hill has looked great as a energetic rebounder off the bench this season, but that won't give him the nod for minutes over Jamison with coach Mike D'Antoni, who is looking for players to space the floor, which is not something Hill offers. He is averaging just seven minutes per game over his last two games. It should also be noted that Hill and D'Antoni didn't mesh well in their brief time together in New York during Hill's rookie season, so it's hard to see Hill seeing the the 15-20 minutes per game that he was accustomed to with Mike Brown as the head coach earlier this season.http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3994/jordan-hill

LAL in: Hendo

Metta World Peace is trying his damnedest to guard the best opposing perimeter player every night to spare Kobe Bryant, but the results have been uneven. (World Peace sacrificing in this way is the main reason it's a joke Kobe keeps ending up on the All-Defensive teams.)http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8707632/the-case-vinsanity-hall-famer-lakers-defensive-mess-nba-loudest-arena-jeremy-lin-doing-right

catch20two · Post #147 » by **catch20two** » Tue Dec 4, 2012 9:38 pm

If Cho could turn Hendo into Jordan Hill and a 1st rounder then he should get GM of the Year no matter what our record is. I thought the Lakers wouldn't be willing to part with Hill for their lack of depth in the frontcourt but he hasn't been a big part of D'Antoni's rotation and that dates back to his Knicks' days. He even got a DNP - Coach's Decision last night in the loss to the Magic.

JT2006 · Post #148 » by **JT2006** » Tue Dec 4, 2012 11:43 pm

catch20two wrote:If Cho could turn Hendo into Jordan Hill and a 1st rounder then he should get GM of the Year no matter what our record is. I thought the Lakers wouldn't be willing to part with Hill for their lack of depth in the frontcourt but he hasn't been a big part of D'Antoni's rotation and that dates back to his Knicks' days. He even got a DNP - Coach's Decision last night in the loss to the Magic.

I doubt they'd trade him though, they seem to be exploring trades for Pau. Unless they got another high caliber big in the trade they wouldn't likely move Hill.

mrknowitall215 · Post #149 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 12:23 am

Hill isn't going to get any real playing time under D'Antoni's watch. Post up bigs play almost no part in his system. They might as well trade him. D'Antoni's best seasons as a coach & the year he won Coach of the Year, Amare Stoudemire was his center. Let that soak in.

JT2006 · Post #150 » by **JT2006** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 12:43 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:Hill isn't going to get any real playing time under D'Antoni's watch. Post up bigs play almost no part in his system. They might as well trade him. D'Antoni's best seasons as a coach & the year he won Coach of the Year, Amare Stoudemire was his center. Let that soak in.

You still have to have bodies. I repeat, unless they're bringing in a starter quality big they won't be moving both Hill and Pau.

I could be wrong, but I don't see them crippling themselves like that. They're a saavy team.

mrknowitall215 · Post #151 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 12:52 am

If the Lakers trade Pau, I'm sure that the return package will include a big body. I got a feeling that a 3-way deal involving Boozer going to LA is very likely to happen by the deadline if Pau don't intend to put his "big boy pants" on. The Bulls would do it because Boozer is a ammesty candidate for them going into next season

JT2006 · Post #152 » by **JT2006** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 12:59 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:If the Lakers trade Pau, I'm sure that the return package will include a big body. I got a feeling that a 3-way deal involving Boozer going to LA is very likely to happen by the deadline if Pau don't intend to put his "big boy pants" on. The Bulls would do it because Boozer is a ammesty candidate for them going into next season

But Boozer isn't much better for the system than Pau, and would make them softer on defense. I don't think Boozer > Pau and Hill. Even in D'Antoni's system. Still it (boozer to LA) has been rumored for a while, and if they could get a deeper bench out of it it might be possible (Hendo could back up SG/SF for them?).

mrknowitall215 · Post #153 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:04 am

Boozer is perfect for D'Antoni's system. He excels in the pick & roll, and prefers to shoot midrange jumpers than post up. Not to mention, defense isn't on his agenda either

JT2006 · Post #154 » by **JT2006** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:09 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:Boozer is perfect for D'Antoni's system. He excels in the pick & roll, and prefers to shoot midrange jumpers than post up. Not to mention, defense isn't on his agenda either

they have dwight to do the pick and roll, while Pau can shoot well enough to open the floor. I don't think boozer is a significant help given that dwight is already there

mrknowitall215 · Post #155 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:15 am

JT2006 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:Boozer is perfect for D'Antoni's system. He excels in the pick & roll, and prefers to shoot midrange jumpers than post up. Not to mention, defense isn't on his agenda either

they have dwight to do the pick and roll, while Pau can shoot well enough to open the floor. I don't think boozer is a significant help given that dwight is already there

Bodies?!? Remember?!? You said it, not I. Besides, I didn't know that their should be a limit to only 1 frontcourt player that can excel in pick & roll situations. It would be nice to have options. Pau don't want to pick & roll, or shoot from the outside. That's the reason for his gripe lately. C'mon, put your thinking cap on.

JT2006 · Post #156 » by **JT2006** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:17 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
JT2006 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:Boozer is perfect for D'Antoni's system. He excels in the pick & roll, and prefers to shoot midrange jumpers than post up. Not to mention, defense isn't on his agenda either

they have dwight to do the pick and roll, while Pau can shoot well enough to open the floor. I don't think boozer is a significant help given that dwight is already there

Bodies?!? Remember?!? You said it, not I. Besides, I didn't know that their should be a limit to only 1 frontcourt player that can excel in pick & roll situations. It would be nice to have options. Pau don't want to pick & roll, or shoot from the outside. That's the reason for his gripe lately. C'mon, put your thinking cap on.

losing pau AND Hill is -2 bodies. Boozer is only +1, and he doesn't play defense.

Pau shoots well from midrange, he has for a long time. He's even made a couple threes in his day.

mrknowitall215 · Post #157 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:21 am

Hill is getting DNPs lately or limited to 10-15 minutes. He's becoming as expendable in D'Antoni's system as Diop is to the Bobcats. That body accounts as a zero

mrknowitall215 · Post #158 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:31 am

FYI, D'Antoni has opted to play Earl Clark instead of Jordan Hill in tonight's game.

doc.end · Post #159 » by **doc.end** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:32 am

JT2006 wrote:
catch20two wrote:
JT2006 wrote:maybe the kings should just give up, move to sacremento, and get new management/ownership/players

How far is Sacremento from Sacramento?

I meant to say seattle

If they keep the FO, I don't know what is worse - losing their city franchise in Sonics or getting current Kingss instead.

JT2006 · Post #160 » by **JT2006** » Wed Dec 5, 2012 1:32 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:Hill is getting DNPs lately or limited to 10-15 minutes. He's becoming as expendable in D'Antoni's system as Diop is to the Bobcats. That body accounts as a zero

That's because D'Antoni is running a short rotation and because Jamison has been playing well for them, and for some reason D'Antoni doesn't like Hill.

In any case, you need guys in case of injury. And on their roster it's especially important! Getting Boozer would be a net loss both in talent, bodies, and especially defense.