CDR and the Soul Tones - Chris Douglas-Roberts Thread

Post #141 » by **JDR720** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:54 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
JDR720 wrote:his ceiling is a 3&D player

what does that exactly mean? you say it like it's a bad thing.

its not a bad thing every team needs some 3&D players but we could find one that isn't recovering from an ACL tear and can shoot better

mrknowitall215 · Post #142 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:04 pm

I said it the moment CDR was signed that Jeff Taylor will become expendable because CDR can do everything that Taylor was supposed to do --- and more

KembaWalker · Post #143 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:22 pm

I'd have more confidence in JT if I actually believed in his jumpshot, but I don't. His form was slow and bad and his shot never had any kind of consistency. Wasn't a distance thing, he'd clank them all over left and right no matter how open he was.

LamarMatic7 · Post #144 » by **LamarMatic7** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:29 pm

KembaWalker wrote:I'd have more confidence in JT if I actually believed in his jumpshot, but I don't. His form was slow and bad and his shot never had any kind of consistency. Wasn't a distance thing, he'd clank them all over left and right no matter how open he was.

Weirdly enough, it looked way better this rookie year. He followed it up making turn-around fadeaways and jumpers off the dribble for Team Sweden and then looked hesitant the whole two months for us. His movement with the ball was so herky jerky, and I mean it in a bad way (unlike when this phrase is usually used for NBA players).

BlackOutBuzz · Post #145 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:33 pm

Dude makes $900k next year, you'd be hard pressed to find a guy that cheap and that young with as much potential as JT.

I'm not saying he'll become a star or even a starter, but a 24-year old athletic "3&D" guy is well worth that contract.

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catch20two · Post #146 » by **catch20two** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:41 pm

The way I see it is that Taylor was already below average and at 24 years old he wasn't no spring chicken like MKG and Biz. The achilles injury will only deter him more. I'm okay with moving on.

KembaWalker · Post #147 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:36 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:Dude makes $900k next year, you'd be hard pressed to find a guy that cheap and that young with as much potential as JT.

I'm not saying he'll become a star or even a starter, but a 24-year old athletic "3&D" guy is well worth that contract.

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you mean a D guy

BlackOutBuzz · Post #148 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:13 pm

Well I used quotations because others used that term. I think with his athleticism he can be better than just a 3&D player.

I guess I don't see the rationale of cutting bait on him at this point. Young guy, cheap, plus part of his contract may be guaranteed, in which case we'd pay him even if we cut him.

And assuming McBob opts in, that's still only 10 guys under contract next year (Taylor included). Are we really bringing in more than five guys in the off-season? He also makes the vet. minimum, so it's not like he's a cap burden.

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jakenc · Post #149 » by **jakenc** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:12 pm

So I checked NBA.com to see the ratings for our starting lineup with Gerald, then the ratings for when we have CRD at the 2 instead. Big difference.

Hendo, Kemba, Al, MKG, McBob - OffRtg: 107.3, DefRtg: 95.2

CDR, Kemba, Al, MKG, McBob - OffRtg: 118.4, DefRtg: 93.9

Not that the Hendo lineup has bad numbers, but that's a net difference of 12.4. CDR should most definitely be the starter.

catch20two · Post #150 » by **catch20two** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:57 pm

jakenc wrote:So I checked NBA.com to see the ratings for our starting lineup with Gerald, then the ratings for when we have CRD at the 2 instead. Big difference.

Hendo, Kemba, Al, MKG, McBob - OffRtg: 107.3, DefRtg: 95.2

CDR, Kemba, Al, MKG, McBob - OffRtg: 118.4, DefRtg: 93.9

Not that the Hendo lineup has bad numbers, but that's a net difference of 12.4. CDR should most definitely be the starter.

I agree but too bad that Clifford think the better CDR play the less MKG should and then we have to watch our defense and rebounding go to sh*t.

jakenc · Post #151 » by **jakenc** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:06 pm

catch20two wrote:
jakenc wrote:So I checked NBA.com to see the ratings for our starting lineup with Gerald, then the ratings for when we have CRD at the 2 instead. Big difference.

Hendo, Kemba, Al, MKG, McBob - OffRtg: 107.3, DefRtg: 95.2

CDR, Kemba, Al, MKG, McBob - OffRtg: 118.4, DefRtg: 93.9

Not that the Hendo lineup has bad numbers, but that's a net difference of 12.4. CDR should most definitely be the starter.

I agree but too bad that Clifford think the better CDR play the less MKG should and then we have to watch our defense and rebounding go to sh*t.

And therein lies the problem. Maybe in the offseason one of the Van Gundys or Thibs will give Clifford some advice on adjustments/flexibility.

Post #152 » by **JDR720** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:21 pm

if anyone gives Clifford some advice over the offseason it will be Jeff Van Gundy, he is the head of the Steve Clifford Fan Club practically

catch20two · Post #153 » by **catch20two** » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:33 pm

jakenc wrote:
catch20two wrote:
jakenc wrote:So I checked NBA.com to see the ratings for our starting lineup with Gerald, then the ratings for when we have CRD at the 2 instead. Big difference.

Hendo, Kemba, Al, MKG, McBob - OffRtg: 107.3, DefRtg: 95.2

CDR, Kemba, Al, MKG, McBob - OffRtg: 118.4, DefRtg: 93.9

Not that the Hendo lineup has bad numbers, but that's a net difference of 12.4. CDR should most definitely be the starter.

I agree but too bad that Clifford think the better CDR play the less MKG should and then we have to watch our defense and rebounding go to sh*t.

And therein lies the problem. Maybe in the offseason one of the Van Gundys or Thibs will give Clifford some advice on adjustments/flexibility.

The moment Clifford fix his glaring adjustments/flexibility weakness as a coach we will become damn near a championship contender. We would probably be sitting in the 3rd or 4th seed with 45 wins instead of 35 wins if he didn't blow so many games off bad rotations. He's a great coach but that's his weakness. Everybody has a weakness.

Post #154 » by **JDR720** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:07 am

the best starting lineup for us would be Kemba-CDR-MKG-McBob-Al the best 2nd unit would be Pargo-Gary-Gerald-Zeller-Biz

Radu_Hornets · Post #155 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:30 am

JDR720 wrote:the best starting lineup for us would be Kemba-CDR-MKG-Zeller-Al the best 2nd unit would be Pargo-Gary-Gerald-McBob-Biz

fixed

catch20two · Post #156 » by **catch20two** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 1:37 pm

I want CDR back on a 2 year deal. I understand not starting him right now from a front office standpoint. If we started starting CDR right now over Hendo he and his agent will feel entitled to close to Hendo money but if we keep him coming off the bench with heavy minutes we can re-sign him for less than $2 mil per year.

LamarMatic7 · Post #157 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 2:59 pm

I just found out that this one dude has done some kind of mini-documentary series on CDR. The episodes have been filmed during the last year or so, with the last one being the only one while he has been with us. I don't think I've seen these mentioned on the board before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bqo4g2bC4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPtMFVSHb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCrY5jgPgDg

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbsMTle_qw[/youtube]

The third one rejects my impression from the last game that he has a white girlfriend though.

mrknowitall215 · Post #158 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 3:20 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:I just found out that this one dude has done some kind of mini-documentary series on CDR. The episodes have been filmed during the last year or so, with the last one being the only one while he has been with us. I don't think I've seen these mentioned on the board before.

I posted videos of this mini-docu series earlier in the thread, but no harm in reposting them for those that didn't pay attention beforehand

mrknowitall215 · Post #159 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 3:23 pm

Nice to see CDR living up to some of the praise that I graced him with upon the acquisition. I still feel like Charlotte fans haven't seen the best of CDR, there's still some versatility in his game that he has yet to show, but he showed flashes last night of his ability to break down a defender off the dribble

LamarMatic7 · Post #160 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Apr 1, 2014 3:28 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:I just found out that this one dude has done some kind of mini-documentary series on CDR. The episodes have been filmed during the last year or so, with the last one being the only one while he has been with us. I don't think I've seen these mentioned on the board before.

I posted videos of this mini-docu series earlier in the thread, but no harm in reposting them for those that didn't pay attention beforehand

Well, either way the last one is from March 29th and thus is the first one to be posted while CDR is with us. I'll leave it as the only one that is embedded.