The Marvin Gaye Williams Thread

[mrknowitall215]

Right about now, I'm wishing Rick 'Tricky Ricky' Bonnell was right about Charlotte pursuing Luol Deng. I would've rather signed Deng to 2-years/$20 million than this deal to Marvin Williams for $7 million annually

[Liver_Pooty]

You folks have a fetish for Jazz players or something?

I should probably ask this now: you guys aren't going to match a max contract for Ian Clark, right?

If Marvin Williams was white we would have given him 10 mill a year.

[Liver_Pooty]

Right about now, I'm wishing Rick 'Tricky Ricky' Bonnell was right about Charlotte pursuing Luol Deng. I would've rather signed Deng to 2-years/$20 million than this deal to Marvin Williams for $7 million annually

Funny, cause thats just what Miami offered Deng. We may not have a choice but to get in on the Deng ordeal if we strike out on Stephenson.

[EwingSweatsALot]

My thought process over this move:

WE MADE A MOVE!!!


for Marvin Williams...


FOR HOW MUCH?!?!?!

[JDR720]

thats pretty much how i felt Ewing lol

[mrknowitall215]

Right about now, I'm wishing Rick 'Tricky Ricky' Bonnell was right about Charlotte pursuing Luol Deng. I would've rather signed Deng to 2-years/$20 million than this deal to Marvin Williams for $7 million annually

Funny, cause thats just what Miami offered Deng. We may not have a choice but to get in on the Deng ordeal if we strike out on Stephenson.

Strike out? Are we even going to pitch at Stephenson is the question, and I'm currently doubting it. Like I said, I'd rather Luol Deng as a stopgap PF if that's their intent use of Marvin Williams. Deng is bigger and a whole lot better

[HornetJail]

You folks have a fetish for Jazz players or something?

It's been alleged and/or rumored that once Cho sets his infatuation on one particular place that it's difficult for him to subside it

Cho also signed Wesley Matthews when Matthews was Utah and Cho was in Portland. I don't know what the connection is there, but it's there. Cho has signed Jefferson, Hayward, Williams, and Matthews to substantial deals to take them from the Jazz.

[chabber]

Right about now, I'm wishing Rick 'Tricky Ricky' Bonnell was right about Charlotte pursuing Luol Deng. I would've rather signed Deng to 2-years/$20 million than this deal to Marvin Williams for $7 million annually

No ****. So what version of the plan was this? Did we make it to Z yet?

[Man Strength]

I would just like to point out that Marvin's wingspan is 7' 3.5 inches. that is all

[mrknowitall215]

You folks have a fetish for Jazz players or something?

It's been alleged and/or rumored that once Cho sets his infatuation on one particular place that it's difficult for him to subside it

Cho also signed Wesley Matthews when Matthews was Utah and Cho was in Portland. I don't know what the connection is there, but it's there. Cho has signed Jefferson, Hayward, Williams, and Matthews to substantial deals to take them from the Jazz.

The connection is 'high character'. You have no choice but to be a model citizen in such a bland city as Utah around mormons

[RichBoy923]

Deng bigger than Marvin? I cannot see Deng playing the PF position. He is a better player but not better for that 4 position.

[Liver_Pooty]

Right about now, I'm wishing Rick 'Tricky Ricky' Bonnell was right about Charlotte pursuing Luol Deng. I would've rather signed Deng to 2-years/$20 million than this deal to Marvin Williams for $7 million annually

Funny, cause thats just what Miami offered Deng. We may not have a choice but to get in on the Deng ordeal if we strike out on Stephenson.

Strike out? Are we even going to pitch at Stephenson is the question, and I'm currently doubting it. Like I said, I'd rather Luol Deng as a stopgap PF if that's their intent use of Marvin Williams. Deng is bigger and a whole lot better

Eh, Williams has about 20 pounds on Deng. Deng can play PF for stretches, but not significant minutes in my opinion. But I wouldn't mind Deng at this point.

[JDR720]

It's been alleged and/or rumored that once Cho sets his infatuation on one particular place that it's difficult for him to subside it

Cho also signed Wesley Matthews when Matthews was Utah and Cho was in Portland. I don't know what the connection is there, but it's there. Cho has signed Jefferson, Hayward, Williams, and Matthews to substantial deals to take them from the Jazz.

The connection is 'high character'. You have no choice but to be a model citizen in such a bland city as Utah around mormons

a bunch of less cool Jordan Bachynski's running around

[mrknowitall215]

Right about now, I'm wishing Rick 'Tricky Ricky' Bonnell was right about Charlotte pursuing Luol Deng. I would've rather signed Deng to 2-years/$20 million than this deal to Marvin Williams for $7 million annually

No ****. So what version of the plan was this? Did we make it to Z yet?

Excuse my French, but I think we're just throwing shat at the wall right about now. Our free-agency plan might've been obliterated once Cho found out that Utah would match Gordon Hayward's deal, which shouldn't have been a surprise at all

[Flip Murray]

[mrknowitall215]

Funny, cause thats just what Miami offered Deng. We may not have a choice but to get in on the Deng ordeal if we strike out on Stephenson.

Strike out? Are we even going to pitch at Stephenson is the question, and I'm currently doubting it. Like I said, I'd rather Luol Deng as a stopgap PF if that's their intent use of Marvin Williams. Deng is bigger and a whole lot better

Eh, Williams has about 20 pounds on Deng. Deng can play PF for stretches, but not significant minutes in my opinion. But I wouldn't mind Deng at this point.

Pardon me for not knowing that Williams put on some weight. I always viewed Deng as a similar build and slightly lengthier

[Liver_Pooty]

Strike out? Are we even going to pitch at Stephenson is the question, and I'm currently doubting it. Like I said, I'd rather Luol Deng as a stopgap PF if that's their intent use of Marvin Williams. Deng is bigger and a whole lot better

Eh, Williams has about 20 pounds on Deng. Deng can play PF for stretches, but not significant minutes in my opinion. But I wouldn't mind Deng at this point.

Pardon me for not knowing that Williams put on some weight. I always viewed Deng as a similar build and slightly lengthier

Clifford has constantly preached about wanting size at each position, and well, at 6'9 235 or so Williams isn't exactly the biggest PF out there.

[buffaloblue]

And for what? Tolliver gave us better perimeter shooting, and really isn't too much of a downgrade in other areas to warrant paying Williams $14M!

So, you want to start Tolliver at PF?

Williams could easily be starting for us if Cody or Noah dont step up right away. Otherwise he will likely play 30 minutes a game between SF-PF.

Would you have been comfortable giving those minutes to Tolliver?

I am perfectly fine starting any of Vonleh, Cody, Bismack, even MKG at power forward next to Big Al.

Even assuming that Clifford sticks to playing players at their main positions: Where is Marvin Williams getting 30 minutes? Al and Biz take center, Vonleh and Zeller probably split 35 power forward minutes between themselves, maybe more. MKG starts at SF like usual, likely with a boost in minutes. If we sign a starting two-guard like Lance (I haven't lost all hope yet), we still need minutes for Henderson, Hairston, and maybe CDR and JT. Where does Williams get 30 minutes? Tolliver proved he was just fine for 15-20 minutes and that's all we needed. Mike Scott, Tolliver, Rocky, Marion, and a number of different players could have filled this role for half price or less.

We are 1 injury on our front line away from a nightmare. I think we can see Zeller and Vonleh on the court some together, and I think Biz is going to get mainly garbage minutes.

I think against many teams you can go with Zeller/Vonleh inside at times. I also believe that Marvin potentially starts. MKG played around 24.2 minutes a game. Jeff Taylor has not been healthy enough consistantly to rely on him. Having Marvin as an option there is worth 12-15 minutes. Zeller played 17.3 minutes a game last year and Vonleh should probably get the same. I think Zeller gets around 25 or so this year which takes up around 42 of the 48 minutes at PF, but I think Cody probably gives you some minutes at Center as well.

This would leave a breakdown of this.

SF- MKG- 27 mpg, Marvin 12, 9 to Taylor/PJ ect.
PF- Marvin- 18, Cody- 16, Vonleh- 14
C- Al Jefferson- 35, Cody 9, Biz 4- cleanup.

Vonleh is VERY raw and will need a bit of time this year. Again, those are ballpark. Marvin could get more time at PF and Cody More at C.

[JDR720]

Eh, Williams has about 20 pounds on Deng. Deng can play PF for stretches, but not significant minutes in my opinion. But I wouldn't mind Deng at this point.

Pardon me for not knowing that Williams put on some weight. I always viewed Deng as a similar build and slightly lengthier

Clifford has constantly preached about wanting size at each position, and well, at 6'9 235 or so Williams isn't exactly the biggest PF out there.

I think he mainly plays SF, so he is pretty big for that

[RichBoy923]

Marvin has always been lankier than Deng.