Hornets acquire Miles Plumlee for Hawes & Hibbert

[countryboi]

The more i think about this I really am ok with this trade...12 mil is pretty much the going rate for centers, he is athletic with solid defense this should make this team better.

That's where I'm at. The real impact is we have to let the dream of a top tier URFA coming to town die. It was pretty unrealistic to begin with though.

We're going to improve going forward with organic growth, trades, and picks.

I feel like we need to build a team worth coming too, just having the money is not enough...we aint the Lakers.

[12footrim]

Yeah well most of your opinion is wrong.

Not according to most rational people that know anything. Even your board hates this.

The Hornets are better today than yesterday without a doubt. Thats inarguable.

yeh because you got a guy like Plumlee that couldn't get off the bench but 9.7 minutes per game on a loser 21-27 team half the time with an 8.0 player efficiency rating is "inarguable". LOL. Give me a freaking break. Hawes alone has had a better season by almost any measure forget the fact he's is the same age cost half the money and is a more versatile player. Hibbert as well is significantly better if you want to compare PER, RPM, common sense etc. I'd rather have either even if you discount money which is a huge problem.

Plumlee had like the highest vertical in combine history I think. Forget he could never do much with it. He's now 28 years old. Basicly all he ever did was jump and that's just going to continue to fade each year at his age as it already has.

The cap concerns are still within reasonable discussion. But when you see what total scrubs are signing for this offseason and how much better the hornets are now, this deal will likely be viewed much more favorably.

Lay off the crack.

[316Hornets]

Look at the logjam the Bucks had(Henson 12mil, Monroe 17mil, Miles 12 mil). Plumlee is a solid backup center who wasn't getting the opportunity to play. Hawes and Hibbert were both players that may have some skills, just not the right ones for Charlotte. Plumlee comes in and makes this team a lot more athletic. Kaminsky is gonna love playing with this guy.

[LamarMatic7]

Has any other team had as many white 7 footers in their history as us?


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[skones]

Look at the logjam the Bucks had(Henson 12mil, Monroe 17mil, Miles 12 mil). Plumlee is a solid backup center who wasn't getting the opportunity to play. Hawes and Hibbert were both players that may have some skills, just not the right ones for Charlotte. Plumlee comes in and makes this team a lot more athletic. Kaminsky is gonna love playing with this guy.

John Henson doesn't make anything a logjam.

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[SWedd523]

He's the worse Plumlee right?

[SWedd523]

Also, so now when Cody gets hurt again our Center rotation is this bum and............. Wood? sheeeeesh

Center depth was bad before

[Liver_Pooty]

Always annoying when other fans come on the board bragging about how they supposedly won a trade when its yet to be seen. Going to laugh when Miles balls out.

[HornetJail]

lol this is dumb. We get better this season. But we completely destroy any hope of improving significantly in the offseason.

I like Plumlee somewhat - he's a good pick and roll player- but not on a 4 year, $50M contract. I was hoping to celebrate with champagne and **** when Hawes got traded but this totally killed my hype.

[yosemiteben]

He's the worse Plumlee right?

Technically second worst, the youngest was an UDFA that NYK picked up this summer.

[Eoghan]

He's the worse Plumlee right?

No, that's probably Marshall the youngest. He's the most Hibbert like of the three.

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Guys, we didn't trade the Hawebbert for an overpaid backup C, we traded them for a reasonably priced starting C after we cut Zeller (lousy rebounding bum) and sign god among men Tyler Hansbrough as a super value backup. Am I right?


Nah but I'm okay with this. My expectations for this franchise now that I've reached the acceptance phase of the treadmill are so low that I'm a fan of this maneuver. At least Plumlee can jump over a phone book so that should help tremendously. Hawes and especially Hibbert were so ill-fitting for our roster and style of play that this can't be a downgrade. On the business side, I'mma have to strip Cho of his salary cap manager black belt though. He was brought in to manage a rebuild project but now he's chief treadmill manager and he's not hitting the ball out of the park.

[LamarMatic7]

lol this is dumb. We get better this season. But we completely destroy any hope of improving significantly in the offseason.

I like Plumlee somewhat - he's a good pick and roll player- but not on a 4 year, $50M contract. I was hoping to celebrate with champagne and **** when Hawes got traded but this totally killed my hype.

predicting that Hawes would opt in, that the FO would take the team option on Wood and that they would't take Sessions's option:
there would be 96.1 million on the books with a salary cap at about 103 million.

no MLE, no backup point guard and no backup center (unless Clifford suddenly trusts Wood and Kaminsky for that). and of course an incoming first rounder.

not really seeing the significant improvement that could have been done during off-season.

[JEIS]

MIL disproves my theory that teams don't trade players they extended the past summer. What a bizarre situation for them.

Bucks fan here. They Signed Plumlee long term because they were going to trade Greg Monroe and they Needed a replacement when He left via trade. We couldn't find a trade partner for Monroe last year, or this summer... Monroe came back about 20 to 25 pounds lighter and played better. Plumlee was named the starter, and sucked horribly, So they made Henson the starter... He sucked also. None of our centers play quality defense... so we play some jacked up help d, that gives up a crap ton of threes.

Plumlee was at one point our best center last year(not saying too much). Don't expect anything on D and you will be okay. He can catch a mean lob at the rim... he and Giannis made some pretty dynamic looking plays. He seemed like he would be a nice fit, but he was very inconsistent and his contract was not a value as a 3rd string center.

He might work out for you guys if he gets consistent playing time. He cut his beard changed his hair and sucked... kind of like sampson.

We nick named him plumlord.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

lol this is dumb. We get better this season. But we completely destroy any hope of improving significantly in the offseason.

It's actually the reverse. Cap wise had everyone we expected opted out the Hornets would have been just under the cap. They would have had less money to spend than the MLE. Now they will be just over the cap, which means they will have the full MLE to spend. It's not a *great* position, but it's better than what it was before the trade.

Drink up!

[chrbal]

First off for the old timers, this trade reminds me of when the (then) Bobcats got Nazr Mohammed. Trade two useless players for an overpaid out of rotation center who might actually help. But still, meh

I guess you can look at it as consolidating. He does some role player type stuff pretty good, he is overpaid. Bucks should have been able to get him for about $7-$8 mil per in this new wonderful market. Ignoring contracts, i honestly think he is the best of the 3 in this trade. Maybe Charlotte doesn't want to see what a backup center fetches next year.

It is what it is, Charlotte should've been able to get something back more then cash. But its done.

[SWedd523]

He's the worse Plumlee right?

Technically second worst, the youngest was an UDFA that NYK picked up this summer.

Plumlees, to me, are Better, Worse, and Worst.

Marshall gets the Worst title for sure, but I can never remember which of the other two is supposed to be better. Mason was the better passer but that's about as far as I care to know about those goobers

[yosemiteben]

Mason is supposed to be much better, and has gotten a lot more opportunity. He's the one that was in BRK for a bit and then was sent to POR for RHJ. He's less physical and not as solid of a defender, but has a lot more playmaking ability and awareness on offense.

[yosemiteben]

I thought people were exaggerating the MLE, I didn't know it was actually increased next summer up to $8.4M. That is awesome and does make me feel better about the deal.

[Liver_Pooty]

lol this is dumb. We get better this season. But we completely destroy any hope of improving significantly in the offseason.

It's actually the reverse. Cap wise had everyone we expected opted out the Hornets would have been just under the cap. They would have had less money to spend than the MLE. Now they will be just over the cap, which means they will have the full MLE to spend. It's not a *great* position, but it's better than what it was before the trade.

Drink up!

I feel much better after reading this. Thank you.

[GlenRiceARoni]

Yeah well most of your opinion is wrong.

Not according to most rational people that know anything. Even your board hates this.

The Hornets are better today than yesterday without a doubt. Thats inarguable.

yeh because you got a guy like Plumlee that couldn't get off the bench but 9.7 minutes per game on a loser 21-27 team half the time with an 8.0 player efficiency rating is "inarguable". LOL. Give me a freaking break. Hawes alone has had a better season by almost any measure forget the fact he's is the same age cost half the money and is a more versatile player. Hibbert as well is significantly better if you want to compare PER, RPM, common sense etc. I'd rather have either even if you discount money which is a huge problem.

Plumlee had like the highest vertical in combine history I think. Forget he could never do much with it. He's now 28 years old. Basicly all he ever did was jump and that's just going to continue to fade each year at his age as it already has.

The cap concerns are still within reasonable discussion. But when you see what total scrubs are signing for this offseason and how much better the hornets are now, this deal will likely be viewed much more favorably.

Lay off the crack.

Again, you are wrong. Most people on the board acknowledge this trade makes us better. And basically all of the known Hornets posters.

As far as hawes and hibbert being better than Miles you couldnt be further off base. Hibbert is quite possibly the worst player in the NBA.

We are 1-11 without zeller and 22-16 with zeller.

Now ask yourself is cody Zeller Jesus Christ reincarnate or do hibbert and hawes suck monkey d?



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