Frank Kaminsky #2 - Not Extended (UFA)
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What you want from your defense in the current NBA is a situation where you can switch every screen and not have a terrible mismatch. This is why Green makes the Warriors so successful.
The best option to play center on our roster is Marvin Williams and he has had some monster games for us at center.
Frank is like the center version of Dell Curry. All he does well is score. If he is scoring well he is helping you. If he isn't then he is killing you. Unfortunately he is just as likely to shot us out of a game as into one at this point.
The only position he should ever play is center, and then only situational. The fact that Clifford played him at PF shows just how out of touch he is.
Our line up should be
Kemba
Monk
Lamb
Batum
Marvin
That is our Hampton 5. That is the lineup we need to space the floor on offense and defend the 3 on defense. Clifford was playing everyone out of position because he believes in size like it is still the 90's. Getting all the defensive rebounds, defending the rim inside and not turning the ball over doesn't mean anything if every decent team kills you from 3pt land.
The best option to play center on our roster is Marvin Williams and he has had some monster games for us at center.
Frank is like the center version of Dell Curry. All he does well is score. If he is scoring well he is helping you. If he isn't then he is killing you. Unfortunately he is just as likely to shot us out of a game as into one at this point.
The only position he should ever play is center, and then only situational. The fact that Clifford played him at PF shows just how out of touch he is.
Our line up should be
Kemba
Monk
Lamb
Batum
Marvin
That is our Hampton 5. That is the lineup we need to space the floor on offense and defend the 3 on defense. Clifford was playing everyone out of position because he believes in size like it is still the 90's. Getting all the defensive rebounds, defending the rim inside and not turning the ball over doesn't mean anything if every decent team kills you from 3pt land.
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I wanted to rid ourselves of Frank the second we drafted him. That was one of my worst draft nights ever. I was honestly beyond angry.
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I was without any type of internet connection for the last week and a half, bookended by a couple 12-hour commutes, so I downloaded a bunch of podcasts I was behind on.
Maybe most interesting was a Locked on Hornets podcast where the guys brought in local uproxx writer @NataTheScribe to discuss some tweets he recently had on Frank.
Some backstory: Deadspin recently posted an article on PFTCommenter, whom you may know as the seemingly likeable face of the otherwise detestable Barstool Sports.
https://t.co/2mUC8BgnTc
I didn't find anything too scathing there, at least not anything that hasn't already been reported by the other sites linked. This Deadspin/Barstool feud isn't new, however, and like clockwork hordes of "Stoolies" blew up the writer's email.
https://t.co/irNQnhQ5x8
Frank didn't seem to care for it either. You may recall Frank took a "positivity" break from twitter toward the end of the season. Well that's over now, as he's done a 180° on social media as the "Pro" counterpart and seemingly social media manager for the @barstoolprojoes podcast. Company man comes through here.
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Enter Nata, who has worked for a few different media companies locally and nationally but usually remains in Charlotte and has something of a pulse on the teams here. He calls out Frank a bit and offers a (rumor?/speculation?) on Devin Booker.
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Frank brushes it off, which is interesting if for no other reason than Frank was never tagged or mentioned by name in the posts.
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I get that it's slow but I was surprised the locked on guys brought Nata in to discuss this. Seems a current player who is already making the podcast rounds is one you'd wanna stay on the good side of.
Booker thing ranks somewhere from interesting to depressing depending on how much you're buying.
Maybe most interesting was a Locked on Hornets podcast where the guys brought in local uproxx writer @NataTheScribe to discuss some tweets he recently had on Frank.
Some backstory: Deadspin recently posted an article on PFTCommenter, whom you may know as the seemingly likeable face of the otherwise detestable Barstool Sports.
https://t.co/2mUC8BgnTc
I didn't find anything too scathing there, at least not anything that hasn't already been reported by the other sites linked. This Deadspin/Barstool feud isn't new, however, and like clockwork hordes of "Stoolies" blew up the writer's email.
https://t.co/irNQnhQ5x8
Frank didn't seem to care for it either. You may recall Frank took a "positivity" break from twitter toward the end of the season. Well that's over now, as he's done a 180° on social media as the "Pro" counterpart and seemingly social media manager for the @barstoolprojoes podcast. Company man comes through here.
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Enter Nata, who has worked for a few different media companies locally and nationally but usually remains in Charlotte and has something of a pulse on the teams here. He calls out Frank a bit and offers a (rumor?/speculation?) on Devin Booker.
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Frank brushes it off, which is interesting if for no other reason than Frank was never tagged or mentioned by name in the posts.
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I get that it's slow but I was surprised the locked on guys brought Nata in to discuss this. Seems a current player who is already making the podcast rounds is one you'd wanna stay on the good side of.
Booker thing ranks somewhere from interesting to depressing depending on how much you're buying.
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booker getting roasted one on one by josh richardson pre-draft kinda makes sense tbh
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To me, Frank has always seemed like a guy who didn't really prioritize getting better at the game because he's too busy living the frat boy life.

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Can Frank really live up to his nickname in 2018-19 and tank us to a top #3 pick? Let's just let him shoot 12 times a game and play the K. Love role.
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316Hornets wrote:Can Frank really live up to his nickname in 2018-19 and tank us to a top #3 pick? Let's just let him shoot 12 times a game and play the K. Love role.
Do you mean the 5 time All Star K Love role? If so, sign me up. Pretty sure that if Frank got 12 shots a game from Marvin and Dwight's stash we would actually be better going forward.
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It just seems to me that Frank doesn’t have a lot of motivation to be a successful nba player. He is spending most of his time working at Barstool sports, for those out of loop he hosts a podcast show.
I am not saying you have to only do basketball, but no way is he trying to be the best possible basketball player he can be.
Don’t think we are super focused on retaining him long term, he is eligible for an extension this season.
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I am not saying you have to only do basketball, but no way is he trying to be the best possible basketball player he can be.
Don’t think we are super focused on retaining him long term, he is eligible for an extension this season.
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JMAC3 wrote:He is spending most of his time working at Barstool sports, for those out of loop he hosts a podcast show.
Curious how you know how much time he is allocating to outside ventures vs. basketball.
JJ Redick hosted a podcast during the season.
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yosemiteben wrote:JMAC3 wrote:He is spending most of his time working at Barstool sports, for those out of loop he hosts a podcast show.
Curious how you know how much time he is allocating to outside ventures vs. basketball.
JJ Redick hosted a podcast during the season.
Frank could spend all his time in the gym and would still amount to nothing. He's a dinosaur that can shoot 3s. He'd be a star attraction on a tanking team.
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316Hornets wrote:yosemiteben wrote:JMAC3 wrote:He is spending most of his time working at Barstool sports, for those out of loop he hosts a podcast show.
Curious how you know how much time he is allocating to outside ventures vs. basketball.
JJ Redick hosted a podcast during the season.
Frank could spend all his time in the gym and would still amount to nothing. He's a dinosaur that can shoot 3s. He'd be a star attraction on a tanking team.
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Do or die Frank.
Kaminsky gave us huge news this summer but nobody talked about it. He informed us that JB wants him playing more at the 5. And that is TRULY exciting. Why?
Because Kaminsky may have been equally miscast at the 4 as Cody was at the 4 and as Nic was at the 2 with the way the pace of the game is speeding up. Cody actually earns his money at the 5. He's a movable contract btw if the Hornets want cap.
Should Frank play his way into the 5, the Hornets gain incredible cap flexibility. I'd love to see Hernangomez attached to MKG, moving Frank to the 5 to compete with Cody and Biz for minutes, and opening minutes at the 3 and 4 for Miles.
Kaminsky gave us huge news this summer but nobody talked about it. He informed us that JB wants him playing more at the 5. And that is TRULY exciting. Why?
Because Kaminsky may have been equally miscast at the 4 as Cody was at the 4 and as Nic was at the 2 with the way the pace of the game is speeding up. Cody actually earns his money at the 5. He's a movable contract btw if the Hornets want cap.
Should Frank play his way into the 5, the Hornets gain incredible cap flexibility. I'd love to see Hernangomez attached to MKG, moving Frank to the 5 to compete with Cody and Biz for minutes, and opening minutes at the 3 and 4 for Miles.
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MasterIchiro wrote:Do or die Frank.
Kaminsky gave us huge news this summer but nobody talked about it. He informed us that JB wants him playing more at the 5. And that is TRULY exciting. Why?
Because Kaminsky may have been equally miscast at the 4 as Cody was at the 4 and as Nic was at the 2 with the way the pace of the game is speeding up. Cody actually earns his money at the 5. He's a movable contract btw if the Hornets want cap.
Should Frank play his way into the 5, the Hornets gain incredible cap flexibility. I'd love to see Hernangomez attached to MKG, moving Frank to the 5 to compete with Cody and Biz for minutes, and opening minutes at the 3 and 4 for Miles.
MKG + Hernangomez for Robin Lopez expiring. No picks going over there. This also opens minutes for Biz moving forward. He makes 17 million and that's not at all movable for cap.
Kemba - Parker
Lamb - Monk
Batum - Miles
Marvin - Frank - Miles
Cody - Frank - Biz
With Lopez expiring, Hornets can retain one of Lamb/Frank with Kemba.
With Monk coming on strong, I would not rule out 12 million going to Frank instead of 15 going to Lamb while Monk eats at his minutes. Keeping Lamb does nothing to help open cap. Keeping Frank means maybe you can move Cody.
Move Cody and MKG and Hernangomez and maybe you slot in a nice free agent before you re-sign Kaminsky, or you reserve the possibility for down the line.
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Break it down into practice games
Kemba
Lamb
Batum
Marvin
Cody
vs.
Parker
Monk
Bridges
Kaminsky
Biz
Kemba
Lamb
Batum
Marvin
Cody
vs.
Parker
Monk
Bridges
Kaminsky
Biz
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I don't think I would have a problem with Frank's off the court interests, if it weren't so childish and dickish. Just not a fan of Barstool and their archaic macho take on things. It's 2018. Grow the f up.
Also, if Frank had a complete game, then that would be one thing. But he has so many defensive and confidence deficiencies. I really think most of his problem is confidence between the ears. I think that if he put in the work and the time in the gym with others, learning and growing, that he would be more confident in himself and his abilities, because he knows he put in the work. He just reeks of a guy who always skated on his size/ability, and when everyone else became faster and stronger in the NBA, he just kinda gets down on himself and gives up. I think it's indicative that deep inside, he knows he didn't put in the work, so he just gets down on himself. Maybe I'm wrong, I really had high hopes for him to improve this past year, but his choices seem to just disappoint.
Also, if Frank had a complete game, then that would be one thing. But he has so many defensive and confidence deficiencies. I really think most of his problem is confidence between the ears. I think that if he put in the work and the time in the gym with others, learning and growing, that he would be more confident in himself and his abilities, because he knows he put in the work. He just reeks of a guy who always skated on his size/ability, and when everyone else became faster and stronger in the NBA, he just kinda gets down on himself and gives up. I think it's indicative that deep inside, he knows he didn't put in the work, so he just gets down on himself. Maybe I'm wrong, I really had high hopes for him to improve this past year, but his choices seem to just disappoint.
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2023: Miller | 2022: Duren | 2021: Bouknight, Jones | 2020: Ball | 2019: PJ | 2018: MPJ | 2017: Monk | 2016: Damian Jones | 2015: Winslow | 2014: Vonleh, Napier | 2013: McLemore | 2012: MKG | 2011: Knight, Kawhi
2023: Miller | 2022: Duren | 2021: Bouknight, Jones | 2020: Ball | 2019: PJ | 2018: MPJ | 2017: Monk | 2016: Damian Jones | 2015: Winslow | 2014: Vonleh, Napier | 2013: McLemore | 2012: MKG | 2011: Knight, Kawhi
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He just seems too sensitive.
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Sticking him at the 4 wasn't good for his confidence. But how many 5's in the NBA shot 38% on threes? He's a matador on defense but so is Hernangomez. Hernangomez has zero positional versatily on top of not having Frank's perimeter game. I'm not going to war in a 5 out league with Hernangomez, maybe not Cody either.
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Frank has to be consistent. What good is a 38 percent 3 when it's all makes in one game and all misses in another?
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