Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

[LamarMatic7]

Hendo isn't even that good defensively. He's statistically like the 4th best defender in the starting lineup.

Can you clarify?

[catch20two]

Hendo isn't even that good defensively. He's statistically like the 4th best defender in the starting lineup.

Can you clarify?

I might have to look it up again but based on defensive rating and defensive win shares Hendo is like 4th on the team out of all the starters. Hendo is a average defender, not good and not bad. How weak the SG position is in the NBA it's rare that he ever has to guard any player of significance.

[Diop]

Hendo isn't even that good defensively. He's statistically like the 4th best defender in the starting lineup.

Can you clarify?

Lamar, as a shawn Bradley fan, what do you think of my hibbert/Bradley comparison?
Hibberts stats are awfully close to Bradley's so far, but 1 is an all star, the other was constantly mocked.

[mrknowitall215]

Hendo isn't even that good defensively. He's statistically like the 4th best defender in the starting lineup.

Can you clarify?

I might have to look it up again but based on defensive rating and defensive win shares Hendo is like 4th on the team out of all the starters. Hendo is a average defender, not good and not bad. How weak the SG position is in the NBA it's rare that he ever has to guard any player of significance.

I agree. Henderson's defensive prowess has been overrated for as long as I've been following the Bobcats. You are correct that Henderson is the 4th best defender among the starters based on defensive rating, but there's another rating of his among the starters that concern me, and that's the fact that he's the only starter that has a negative net rating, whereas the (overrated) defense that he bring to the table doesn't negate his mediocre offense

Starters
Kemba Walker: +3.1 NetRtg
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: +2.0 NetRtg
Al Jefferson: +1.2 NetRtg
Josh McRoberts: +1.0 NetRtg
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Gerald Henderson: -0.9 NetRtg
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Bench
Chris Douglas-Roberts: +0.6 NetRtg

[catch20two]

Can you clarify?

I might have to look it up again but based on defensive rating and defensive win shares Hendo is like 4th on the team out of all the starters. Hendo is a average defender, not good and not bad. How weak the SG position is in the NBA it's rare that he ever has to guard any player of significance.

I agree. Henderson's defensive prowess has been overrated for as long as I've been following the Bobcats. You are correct that Henderson is the 4th best defender among the starters based on defensive rating, but there's another rating of his among the starters that concern me, and that's the fact that he's the only starter that has a negative net rating, whereas the (overrated) defense that he bring to the table doesn't negate his mediocre offense

Starters
Kemba Walker: +3.1 NetRtg
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: +2.0 NetRtg
Al Jefferson: +1.2 NetRtg
Josh McRoberts: +1.0 NetRtg
___________________________________
Gerald Henderson: -0.9 NetRtg
___________________________________
Bench
Chris Douglas-Roberts: +0.6 NetRtg

Thank you for reminding me how much I now wish we didn't re-sign Hendo this past summer.

[mrknowitall215]

I might have to look it up again but based on defensive rating and defensive win shares Hendo is like 4th on the team out of all the starters. Hendo is a average defender, not good and not bad. How weak the SG position is in the NBA it's rare that he ever has to guard any player of significance.

I agree. Henderson's defensive prowess has been overrated for as long as I've been following the Bobcats. You are correct that Henderson is the 4th best defender among the starters based on defensive rating, but there's another rating of his among the starters that concern me, and that's the fact that he's the only starter that has a negative net rating, whereas the (overrated) defense that he bring to the table doesn't negate his mediocre offense

Starters
Kemba Walker: +3.1 NetRtg
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: +2.0 NetRtg
Al Jefferson: +1.2 NetRtg
Josh McRoberts: +1.0 NetRtg
___________________________________
Gerald Henderson: -0.9 NetRtg
___________________________________
Bench
Chris Douglas-Roberts: +0.6 NetRtg

Thank you for reminding me how much I now wish we didn't re-sign Hendo this past summer.

I know we're off topic within the thread, but I just hope Clifford use MKG & CDR in the lineup together as dual wings in this upcoming playoff series against the Heat. The team really begun to flourish offensively & with shooting from beyond the arc during that span when Henderson was injured and CDR was entered into the starting lineup as the wing opposite of MKG instead of supplanting him

[Eoghan]

I've got to back up Braggins here, Jefferson gets way too much credit. You don't take a team that was last in defense last year, add one of the worst defenders at Center of all time in Jefferson, rocket up the charts on defense and say "Thanks Al!" That does not compute.

How many wins does Al add to this team if Silas or Dunlap were still the coach? Any? 5? Our offensive rating still isn't very good, which points toward our wins coming vastly from our defense and our defensive minded coach. We talk about Thibs and Clifford as being in the same vein but Thibs is lauded for getting the Bulls to the playoffs without their best player whereas we assume that if Clifford didn't have his best player (Al) that we'd be a 25 win team tops. Seems kind of disrespectful to Clifford.

Hibbert has always kind of sucked. He's pretty much the Jamaal Magliore of his generation (except Big Cat actually rebounded decently). He has one redeeming quality, LeBron James can't knock him over like a bowling pin.

[mrknowitall215]

I've got to back up Braggins here, Jefferson gets way too much credit. You don't take a team that was last in defense last year, add one of the worst defenders at Center of all time in Jefferson, rocket up the charts on defense and say "Thanks Al!" That does not compute.

How many wins does Al add to this team if Silas or Dunlap were still the coach? Any? 5? Our offensive rating still isn't very good, which points toward our wins coming vastly from our defense and our defensive minded coach. We talk about Thibs and Clifford as being in the same vein but Thibs is lauded for getting the Bulls to the playoffs without their best player whereas we assume that if Clifford didn't have his best player (Al) that we'd be a 25 win team tops. Seems kind of disrespectful to Clifford.

Hibbert has always kind of sucked. He's pretty much the Jamaal Magliore of his generation (except Big Cat actually rebounded decently). He has one redeeming quality, LeBron James can't knock him over like a bowling pin.

I can partially agree with this sentiment (60/40), because I also think Jefferson has been getting too much credit for the Bobcats' turnaround. The strongest attribute of the team (defense) is a area where Jefferson is less than stellar. I believe that every line of credit that Jefferson receives for his offense should be reciprocated back to MKG & Kemba for their defense. Clifford deserves the most praise for putting the players in position to succeed, but as far as the media & casual fan's perception that Jefferson is the reason for the season, it's a myth if you ask me

[Eoghan]

I think it's:

60% Clifford
30% Al Jefferson
10% Massive sucking by the East

[JDR720]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBA/status/457289325043261440[/tweet]

[BigSlam]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBA/status/457289325043261440[/tweet]

Big Al becomes the first center to receive the honor in back-to-back months since Dwight Howard did so in November and December of 2007.

[JDR720]

Big Al has a pretty good resume for All-NBA 2nd team

[BlackOutBuzz]

Players of the month:

East
Al - 2 times
LeBron - 2
Melo - 1
George - 1

West
Durant - 4
Steph - 1
Griffin - 1

At this point... **** second team.

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[HornetJail]

I think it's:

60% Clifford
30% Al Jefferson
10% Massive sucking by the East

Agreed. None of the guys we've brought back from last season have really improved much, other than Biz.

[JDR720]

Players of the month:

East
Al - 2 times
LeBron - 2
Melo - 1
George - 1

West
Durant - 4
Steph - 1
Griffin - 1

At this point... **** second team.

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Noah is a lock for 1st team, if Al can beat out Cousins/Dwight and the others for 2nd team that will be a huge accomplishment

[BlackOutBuzz]

Noah's the only one that has an argument, but two POMs to Noah's 0 indicate the media may look Al's way again.

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[LamarMatic7]

Hendo isn't even that good defensively. He's statistically like the 4th best defender in the starting lineup.

Can you clarify?

Lamar, as a shawn Bradley fan, what do you think of my hibbert/Bradley comparison?
Hibberts stats are awfully close to Bradley's so far, but 1 is an all star, the other was constantly mocked.

It's a nice way to put Bradley's numbers in perspective as I'm all for discouraging the mockery of Shawn Bradley. But as far as their game is concerned I don't see it that much. Bradley was way more crafty on offense and Hibbert is a way better defensive anchor. Although, to be fair, Bradley didn't have the benefit of playing in this era. Back then you couldn't plant a shot blocker in the paint like you can now, rules prohibited it.

That being said, it's very hard to find a great comparison for a 7'6 skinny guy.

[Radu_Hornets]

Big Al Talking about injury

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/playo ... um=twitter

[mrknowitall215]

I want to give appreciation to Al Jefferson for a admirable season in leading the Bobcats to the playoffs. Hats off to this guy, and much respect

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GogqSm6828U[/youtube]

[BeesWax]

I think it's:

60% Clifford
15% Al Jefferson
15% improvement by current players
10% Massive sucking by the East

I changed it to where I thought the credit should go.