Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[thekiller99]

What's unbelievable is how did Jeremy Lin beat Kemba on the stat sheet. He was guarding Harden as well!
Lin gets 3 fouls in 3mins then only plays 19mins in the second half yet somehow gets 13pts 4-6FG 1-3 3FG 4-7FT 5ast 1TO

While our franchise golden boy plays a whopping 41mins 14points 3-10FG 2-6 3FG 6-6FT 6ast 4TO.
Clifford is going to wear Kemba out before we get to 40 games. If Kemba goes down as well so does our playoff chances.

How does Clifford even justify PJ taking 12shots and 9 shots from the 3pt line in 20mins?
Batum still gets a pass for me since he's still sick! but Christ taking 41 3 pointers? What was the game plan? Shoot and pray?

and Damn it! Lin you have to hit those FTs! Missing the pair really puts the dagger in!

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol. Then "only plays 19 minutes in the second half".

[bws94]

He played 19 straight minutes in the 2nd half? That's a lot of straight minutes.

[bigbob]

honestly, id rather not play the rockets again this season, ESPECIALLY not on their home court. You need to play the rockets, in a different kind of way you do most other teams. Hopefully, this was a valuable experience for the hornets, and I also hope our boy lin starts to improve his flopping skills. He has potential from what I saw last night.

[13th Man]

Anyone else pleasantly surprised that Clifford entrusted Lin to guard Harden? Lin has had that stigma of being a poor defender, but good to see his vast improvement in his area and Clifford recognizing it.

[ChokeFasncists]

The Hornets are doing much better in road game attendance records this year. It may not be entirely due to Jeremy Lin, but I'm sure the fans he attracts around the country to the road games likely plays a significant role.

Bobcats/Hornets:
2011-2012, ranked #27 out of 30 teams in Road Game attendance
2012-2013, #28
2013-2014, #26 (despite being a playoff team)
2014-2015, #25 (first year of rebranding from Bobcats back to Hornets)
2015-2016, #7 (with Jeremy Lin and his legions of fans attending road games around the nation)

The Hornets are filling up the seats. It's quite a jump from the bottom 5 of the league to #7. They're doing better than they were when they were a playoff Bobcats team, or when they enjoyed all the media buzz from the Hornets re-branding.

Perhaps some of it is an artifact of an incomplete season and will even out a bit when the rest of the season fills in with different arenas around the country. But so far, it's looking good.

Jeremy's effect is probably more pronounced for a small market team like the Hornets and their ability to draw crowds at away games than it would be for a larger franchise. Especially given that these crowds are in a different city and not necessarily rooting for Charlotte to win against their hometown team. Though during Linsanity, the sold out tickets made every road game into a home game for the Knicks (like with Raptors fans cheering Lin's gamewinner).

The Rockets experienced a similar bump. Their road game attendance record was ranked higher during the two Lin years compared to the year immediately before and the year immediately after Lin's tenure.

I'd imagine for some regular fans, if they go see several games a season and don't have any preference, why not go see the one that has a special thing? Especially good for families too.

[ChokeFasncists]

You have no idea what you're talking about. We created this thread for two reasons:

(1) Lin is a member of our team and we have threads for every member of our team.

(2) To provide fans of Lin who are not interested in our team as a whole a place to discuss Lin's play so they don't clutter up other threads (unfortunately we've not been that successful with this goal).

Has nothing to do with traffic or hits.

I meant the Lin thread on Cluthfan.com which is the Houston Rocket fan forum...Lin has been gone for 3 years and instead of locking up the thread like they do others, they have kept it open.....Lin is no longer a Houston Rockets so there's no need to have so much discussion about such a player.

ya he was referring to the clutchfans thread

i want lin to do well and the team to make and go far in the playoffs. the thing he lacks is consistency. that stretch in new york was a one time phenomena. he wasn't on the scouting report and it was a shortened season so teams can't game plan against him as well. hopefully he keeps it up. he seems to fit well in this system and is surrounded by the right people.

This. He's too up and down. But has played well in consecutive games recently. If he gets comfortable, plays well consistently (half to half) and continues to improve, he'll really be something soon.

[13th Man]

The Lin effect also carries over to message boards. The game thread here last night had like 700 posts, I did a quick visit to the Realgm Rockets forum and only saw 27 posts there. That forum used to be rocking as well lol. I'm sure this forum wasn't nearly as active last year either.

[ChokeFasncists]

Don't want to see Lin start this year even if he outplays Kemba (which he hasn't). This is Kemba's team, he's locked up long-term. No coach will demote a cornerstone player over a guy that might leave at the end of the season. Plus nobody else has had a chance to play this role so Lin is needed there, wouldn't make sense to start him and have somebody else try to play combo guard.

Clifford wanted Lin to fill in the combo-guard role off the bench and he's finally making strides to do that. If he wants to run a team at pg, then he'll have to entertain other options in the off-season, hence why his contract has an option year but I'm sure that's not his concern right now. His only focus is to play well and help the team win.

Can't agree with you on that. I'd imagine Cliff and Cho understand that Kemba's best position is 6th man whereas Lin's best is facilitator for good scorers. I don't think that is good enough reason to jeopardize team future wins. If Lin continues to grow I'd imagine they'll try to start him and have Kemba off the bench; especially if Frank is ready to play a big role offensively. If Lin gets to start here then for sure he'll be back if they don't lowball him.

I'm not ready to pronounce Lin as a clutch player, have never been sold on it. It's just not about the missed FTs, what bugged me more was the missed wide open 3 pointer when it was needed most. I still think he gets too nervous in intense situations, that right there is a good indication of it. In his heart, he is still lacking that important piece of self confidence.

Hey, he posted great clutch stats in Houston and NYC. He has his general flaws and they're still there in crunch time. He just needs to improve in general. He's not Reggie, Kobe, MJ or Manu but he's definitely a relatively clutch player.

Anyone else pleasantly surprised that Clifford entrusted Lin to guard Harden? Lin has had that stigma of being a poor defender, but good to see vast improvement in his area and Clifford recognizing it.

It's really good to see. Very promising development indeed.

[ChokeFasncists]

I like Lin. Really good, solid backup PG and role player.

Well, he's improving by the game. He is a 6th man of the year candidate. After that, who knows?

It looks like Lin's outside shots are finally starting to fall. His avg. is starting to come back to the mean.

Nov: 41% fg. - 26% 3pt. (15 games)
Dec: 47% fg. - 36% 3pt. (9 games so far)

Good find.

I watched a game from last year, Lakers vs Celtics the other day.

Are you serious??!! Why? Wow! Are you sure it wasn't from the Magic vs Bird era?

Lin's defense this year is noticeably better than before. He is much more hands on and physical now, seems stronger. I'm wondering how much of it is coaching and how much of it is from him taking steroids (for those who might be taking me seriously, I'm joking about the roids. ).

I'm pretty sure coaching has a lot to do with it. McDumbBell and BS always talk about defense but have nothing to show for except for talking about effort. Cliff comes from the JVG/Thibs school and Silas apparently has helped Lin to be a stopper in his GSW year. Lin made the right decision to come here. Na, it's not roid, it's the Tai Chi!

[13th Man]

This. He's too up and down. But has played well in consecutive games recently. If he gets comfortable, plays well consistently (half to half) and continues to improve, he'll really be something soon.

It's a combination of comfort and simply the fact that he's becoming a better overall player. I laugh at the folks that say he's already peaked because he's 27 but we know that he's still developing since he had a late start to his career. You can clearly tell that his decision making is more sound and he's making less dumb turnovers. As we know, his defense has also improved. I think he can still improve on his shooting, handles (somewhat), and late game mentality.

[bws94]

Lin has not peaked. He may not peak until 29/30 in overall terms of basketball skills. Physically he may be peaking or so but physically he's just stronger than he was a few years ago, not faster. Agreed can improve on his shooting, handles somewhat, late-game mentality and at times decision-making. He needs to figure out how to recognize guys looking to take charges on his drives. He gets at least one almost every game. Really, that's been more his turnovers than bad passes.

[LostInACrowd]

I watched a game from last year, Lakers vs Celtics the other day.

Are you serious??!! Why? Wow! Are you sure it wasn't from the Magic vs Bird era?

Lin's defense this year is noticeably better than before. He is much more hands on and physical now, seems stronger. I'm wondering how much of it is coaching and how much of it is from him taking steroids (for those who might be taking me seriously, I'm joking about the roids. ).

I'm pretty sure coaching has a lot to do with it. McDumbBell and BS always talk about defense but have nothing to show for except for talking about effort. Cliff comes from the JVG/Thibs school and Silas apparently has helped Lin to be a stopper in his GSW year. Lin made the right decision to come here. Na, it's not roid, it's the Tai Chi!

I was just curious to see how he played last year compared to this year (It was one of his better games, stat wise). He has always hustled, but he really is more physical this year.

I also watched a couple of Hornets game from last year. They are so much more fun to watch this year with the addition of Batum, Lin, Lamb, Frank and Hawes.

[bigbob]

im not one to wish harm on people...but hopefully some of these refs calling lopsided calls in favor of harden have a bad run in with some emotional fans late at night. I have no clue when it became ok to call and reward FT's on a play when contact was initiated before shooting even took place. Or when it became ok to call a foul on someone for contact when the ball has already left the shooters hand, but this is just ridiculous now. NBA needs to pull head out of its rear end.

[BigSlam]

Anyone else pleasantly surprised that Clifford entrusted Lin to guard Harden? Lin has had that stigma of being a poor defender, but good to see his vast improvement in his area and Clifford recognizing it.

I thought he did a hell of a job guarding Harden.

The refs took him out of it (unfairly IMO) but when he was left to actually guard him I thought Lin was locked in, focused, accountable and effective.


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[ChokeFasncists]

This. He's too up and down. But has played well in consecutive games recently. If he gets comfortable, plays well consistently (half to half) and continues to improve, he'll really be something soon.

It's a combination of comfort and simply the fact that he's becoming a better overall player. I laugh at the folks that say he's already peaked because he's 27 but we know that he's still developing since he had a late start to his career. You can clearly tell that his decision making is more sound and he's making less dumb turnovers. As we know, his defense has also improved. I think he can still improve on his shooting, handles (somewhat), and late game mentality.

No way he has peaked. If he continued Linsanity that might be the case. But a good facilitating/shooting point guard don't peak early, let's hope that's the direction he's going towards. There are other factors too, like, Asians a lot of times mature late; he didn't play in elite colleges, for four years; he didn't play much his first season and a half; he comes off the bench these three years; he is improving all the times; he is a very unique player in this league, would need more time to find his niche.

Again, I see Linsanity as his Final Four glory, first season in Houston as rookie, the next two years wasted, so now he's in his sophomore year. Much room to learn and improve.

[ChokeFasncists]

I watched a game from last year, Lakers vs Celtics the other day.

Are you serious??!! Why? Wow! Are you sure it wasn't from the Magic vs Bird era?

Lin's defense this year is noticeably better than before. He is much more hands on and physical now, seems stronger. I'm wondering how much of it is coaching and how much of it is from him taking steroids (for those who might be taking me seriously, I'm joking about the roids. ).

I'm pretty sure coaching has a lot to do with it. McDumbBell and BS always talk about defense but have nothing to show for except for talking about effort. Cliff comes from the JVG/Thibs school and Silas apparently has helped Lin to be a stopper in his GSW year. Lin made the right decision to come here. Na, it's not roid, it's the Tai Chi!

I was just curious to see how he played last year compared to this year (It was one of his better games, stat wise). He has always hustled, but he really is more physical this year.

I also watched a couple of Hornets game from last year. They are so much more fun to watch this year with the addition of Batum, Lin, Lamb, Frank and Hawes.

Much respect. What a fan!

[kinein]

honestly, id rather not play the rockets again this season, ESPECIALLY not on their home court. You need to play the rockets, in a different kind of way you do most other teams. Hopefully, this was a valuable experience for the hornets, and I also hope our boy lin starts to improve his flopping skills. He has potential from what I saw last night.

https://youtu.be/63gE8R_jgmg?t=21s

Now. Set speed via YOUTUBE control to .25 speed.

NEXT WATCH AT 23. Harden steps forward, between Lin's legs, his foot then clips the BACK of Lin's RIGHT HEEL. This is combined with a push with Harden's left arm.

The minute Harden feels that, he prepares to shoot.


Hope all you want, but that was no flop. You can watch that video 100 times and you still won't find a flop. NOW IN HD QUALITY


If you want to see a decent example of what ankle breaking looks like without a TRIP or SHOVE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gjB2t2Kpcg

You can even slow this video down in .25 speed.

[bigbob]

i rewatched the game just now and I also changed my mind...I think lin was a reason for the loss late game in the final 2 mins. Yeah there was the missed free throws, but the biggest miss was that WIDE open 3. Most players above a certain level will hit a shot that open 8 times out of 10. Steph Curry will hit it 9 times out of 10. But lin somehow missed that shot which almost everyone expected to go in. I was genuinely surprised when lin missed and think that kemba, or batuum would have made it.

Im a bit sad to say it, but my original evaluation of him as a double edge sword still stands. Sometimes he will feed off the energy and just destroy everyone, othertimes he will help out the other team. The BEST case scenario in my opinion is NOT to have these kinds of close games, where the team is down by a few points, catching up, and depending on lin to save the day. Better to have a little bit of room so he can have confidence and less pressure/fear of failure, like he did with the raptors. This isn't an uncommon trait, its actually something I remember with vince carter as well. People LOVED him, but when it came to clutch time scenarios, down by a few points and depend on him to hit the dagger, he buckled more than once. The fans love turned to hate, and vince left the raptors on bad terms. Unfortunately I have a feeling, that, this is exactly what we are seeing with lin right now. While some games he is clutch when he is CONFIDENT in himself, other days when there is self doubt, he self implodes. In these types of games, I think its better for someone else to hit that dagger, until the time comes when lin has matured and become stronger mentally.

[kinein]

I think lin was a reason for the loss

Completely ignores the shooting % of the Hornet's roster and the Turnovers.

This is what we call bias, you have a personal bias against Lin. You also desire a scapegoat.

I've posted the box-score and break-down of our starters, if you can't interpret the numbers and the amount of missed shots, and missed dunks, and TO's, then that is on you.

At this point I don't think you have a vested interest in the Hornets actually being a winning team. You'd rather wash over everything else, look. The Charlotte Hornets are not a 1 man team. There is an entire roster of players, there are starters, most of whom are paid a LOT more and play a LOT more, and SHOOT a LOT more on a consistent basis.


Lin whom only played 19 minutes, is your scapegoat. Whose to blame for the remaining 41 minutes? Did we have the Ghosts of Christmas dressed as Lin playing the other 4 positions for the bench and the other 5 positions in Kemba Batum Kaminsky Zeller Hairston costumes?

While you focus on pointing a finger at only one person the rest of us will actually look at the Hornets as a team, as 2 units; the starters and the bench - we will go from there.