Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1

Braggins · Post #1401 » by **Braggins** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:25 am

Congrats to the Lin fans that complained all year about his playing time and role in Charlotte. You are getting what you want and I'm really happy for you guys. You're going to get to watch Lin play 35mpg and win 25 games for a team with no draft picks for the next million years. Its going to be Linsane!

gamer4Life · Post #1402 » by **gamer4Life** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:30 am

Yes, you prefer to spend your "time currency" delving into a thread so you can get yourself angry at a player and player fans that you dislike, even to the point of misdirecting your comments to someone who doesn't even like him much. Not to mention using your time currency on that wall of text/rant that is so incomprehensible that I have no clue what you're spewing.

Getting back to the point, if you can't see that Antonio Davis' arguments are ridiculous (being paid the same as him and Steph Curry), then you need a reality check.

wincan459 · Post #1403 » by **wincan459** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:42 am

Hornets fans, including Lin fans, have been very civilized all year long. What's up with this cheap shot now Lin is leaving?

I hope both the hornets and Lin have a great season.

wincan459 · Post #1404 » by **wincan459** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:58 am

Thanks fatlever. You, like most of the Hornets fans, are very classy. It was a successful year for both, too bad they have to separate.

Wish both have a great season.

hood30 · Post #1405 » by **hood30** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 12:04 pm

I agree here..No need for parting cheap shots on neither side...The facts are that Charlotte helped Lin as much as Lin helped Charlotte.....Both side needed each other and both side should be happy how things went.

Lin got the chance to re-rehabilitate his image a bit from last year Lakers's sting....Hornets got the chance to go back to the playoff after failing to make the playoff the previous year...Lin played a huge role off the bench making it happen...Lin also played a huge role in helping Charlotte win 3 games in the Miami playoff series.

But, unfortunately, Lin has career ambition, just like most players, and they weren't possible coming off the bench under what would have possibly be less than 25 minute per game.

You may think Lin is not good enough to be a starter on a good team...But he's also too good to simply be a rotational bench player and unfortunately, the return of MKG had the possibility to relegate Lin into a rotational player instead of a proper sixth-man role which is 25+ minutes and the chance to finish a lot of games.

In my opinion, that possibility ultimately forced Lin to leave...Not being guaranteed to get the same amount of minutes as he got last year was not acceptable for Lin.

At the end of he day, both side got what they wanted...Clifford was on the hot seat when the season started and got his new contract..Hornets got back to the playoff...and Lin finally get his final chance to start again...All side should be happy at how thing ended up.

It was always unrealistic to expect Lin to reject a bigger contract + the chance to start to simply be a rotational player on a decent playoff team that may not be able to improve on last year...Most players would take the money and the chance to start...unless you're very old and only want to chase rings, which the Hornets is not a championship contender.

But all Lin fan should wish the Hornets well..and all Hornets fan should wish Lin well.

kinein · Post #1406 » by **kinein** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 12:14 pm

all year its been pretty good, I attribute that to some of the best mods ive ever seen on realgm. you sir don't have to toss shade when many of them are now hornet fans..

your really only sharing on the internet what kind of person you are, cheers.

BeesWax · Post #1407 » by **BeesWax** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 12:22 pm

While I agree that there is no need for parting shots and JDR and Fats worked hard to do a good job keeping it civil let's not forget this thread had to be locked after the season because Lin fans were saying how bad the Horents were going to be when he left. Both sides have taken shots but hopefully now that it is decided we can all wish each other the best and see what happens.

reelsgm · Post #1408 » by **reelsgm** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 12:32 pm

Lin goes to his irrelevant team. But Lin's been there before, went to a Hornets team expected to have a concensus 27 wins pre-season.

Charlotte fans whether they are disgusted that Lin didn't follow thru on his "definitely staying" words or wishing Lin well, will think of Lin again next season and perhaps often.

The first game where Hornets starters dig a double digit hole - EVERYONE will think - "can the 2nd unit bring us back like Lin did (or dig a deeper hole like Roberts/Neal). To wit: Lin's benchforce 11+ regular season games filled holes and rarely relinquished a lead the starting unit provided.

13th Man · Post #1409 » by **13th Man** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 12:43 pm

To be fair, we complained about minutes when there was a stretch where he was getting 16-17 mins a game. But that's water under the bridge, I wish Hornets the best of luck and I'm sure I'll be rooting for them as well.

hood30 · Post #1410 » by **hood30** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 12:49 pm

Agree here...When Lin signed, Charlotte was not regarded as a sure playoff team..At best, many pundit gave them between 30-35 wins.

So joining the Nets, maybe Lin can improve them...Even if Lin can improve them by 10 games, that would be a step forward for them.

Currently, I do think the roster looks too thin...With the exception of Lopez, who is a top 5 scoring center with above average defensive-skill, the Nets really don't have much to depend on....They need to sign someone that could score and help Lopez and possibly Lin who should be expected to score 16ppg at the minimum.

Flip Murray · Post #1411 » by **Flip Murray** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 12:58 pm

Lin posted on charlotte hornets reddit:

Liver_Pooty · Post #1412 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:37 pm

Lol.

Post #1413 » by **fatlever** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:15 pm

OK, lets get this thread back in the positive. I really don't want to lock this thread again.

One quick thought about the projected Hornets wins last summer. The media predicted the Hornets as a 30-35 win team (some worse) was always a massive joke and in no way a true indication of the team's real expected wins. The Hornets won 33 games in 2014-15 and that was a "worst case scenario" season. MKG missed 27 games, Kemba missed 20 games (and played the 2nd half of the season hurt), Jefferson missed 21 games (and played the entire season hurt) and Zeller missed 20 games. There was some ridiculous stat that year that showed that Kemba, MKG and Jefferson only played like 10 games together that season (I cant remember exact number, but it was low). On top of all the injuries, it took the Hornets 30 games to realize Lance was awful and destroying the starting lineup. After Lance was benched and before the injuries to Kemba, MKG and Cody, the Hornets actually won a lot of games and were about 1 games away from .500 in mid January and climbing, while Kemba was playing out of his mind. Then Kemba got hurt, then MKG, then Cody. If remotely healthy the Hornets easily make the playoffs in 2014-15. So, main point being, the projection last year that showed Hornets as a 30-35 win team were just bad and that's not even adding in the expected wins that Batum and Lin would bring.

So, yes, Lin certainly helped the Hornets last year, but that team should have always been considered a playoff team heading into the summer. Anything else is just lazy.

bws94 · Post #1414 » by **bws94** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:31 pm

I don't and some Lin fans don't support that perspective. Would love to see Lin play 32 minutes or so a game, but there's nothing fun about 25 wins or Lin's efforts not going into winning. Linsanity was about winning games, and I think Lin is about winning, not so much stats.

I'm still going to be here for the Hornets. Lin's not part of the ride but he needed to have a bigger role at this point in his career and I get that.

bws94 · Post #1415 » by **bws94** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:33 pm

This should be the lead post on his appreciation thread, if mods want to do it.

bws94 · Post #1416 » by **bws94** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:38 pm

fats, Hornets were a deep team and may still be when Cho is done with moves this season. Many guys in the 10-man rotation could bring something different. Yeah, we had the featured guys like Kemba and Batum, but each guy brought a role. And the bench was really good, and yes, Lin did provide some big play at the right time and a lot of insurance when Batum was hampered or couldn't go. We figured out a good way to utilize Al without him being the whole offense. Batum was huge, took pressure off of Kemba. But we could beat teams in many ways, if they shut one way off, other ways were in place. Cliff will build on that with the personnel going into the next season and probably anticipated losing some key guys like Lin this season. The team should be fine. And yes, it was a playoff caliber team going in.

tonman · Post #1417 » by **tonman** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 5:00 pm

Not going to disagree with you however the hornets roster the previous playoff season was not indicative of a perennial playoff team. Injuries are a part of the sport which is why having Lin on the team was so important. Why did the team sign Lance? Because they needed to improve the roster to get better.

And making the eastern playoffs 2 years ago was easier than this past season.

Batum was a trade. Sure Batum is a better player than Henderson but you have to mitigate Batum impact with loss of Henderson i.e. playing PJ due to MKG injury. Lin was an after thought after LA and a 4M contract. I listened to nba radio before the season began and very few thought charlotte had a chance. Remember Chicago imploded and they were supposed to challenge Cleveland. Milwaukee and Washington were expected to make the playoffs.

Appwrangler · Post #1418 » by **Appwrangler** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 5:01 pm

This doesn't sound like any "parting shot" to me, just a bit of harsh reality.

Every player in the NBA is trying to maximize his impact, get the best opportunity, win the most games in playoffs, achieve his fullest potential. While Lin is a great team player, hard-worker, and all-around nice-guy off the court, it's not his fault that he's not the second coming of MJ. He's reaching for the stars and for him at the moment "the stars" is a possible starting opportunity for the Nets.

Sure there are some deluded fans who think Lin is Ralph Macchio in The Karate Kid and is destined, despite his apparent limitations, to win in the end. No reason to dash their dreams on this move. Yes, Lin will get more playing time and probably better stats. And possibly have a positive impact on the team's win total. That's his best opportunity at the moment as the Dubs didn't call to beg him to start over Curry.

On a sidenote, I'd like to add my appreciation to the great work done by the mods this year, and the fantastic Hornets fan community. It has been a lot of fun reading the forum posts by everyone - whether I agreed with their views or not. (I hope the mods give the poor Nets mods some pointers!)

It's natural for new fans to follow a single player, despite how much that rankles long-time fans. Lin, MJ, Messi, Gretzky, Joe Montana, A Rod, all had fans who followed them despite little of the sport itself. (Not equating Lin's talents with those guys.) Over time, some of those fans learned the game, learned other players, and started to follow the team or sport independently of the actions of their idol.

As for myself, I'm a life-long Warriors fan, but I'll also remain a Hornets fan. I love Coach Clifford, Batum's effortless gliding, and Kemba's crazy circus shots (when they work). I can't wait to see MKG for more than a couple games this season. Hopefully the team will build on the success from the past year and have great success in the playoffs. Now that I know the team and how great the community is I'll enjoy watching the games this year.

spaceballer · Post #1419 » by **spaceballer** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 5:05 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/OHaraTWCNews/status/749074224996810752[/tweet]
https://twitter.com/OHaraTWCNews/status/749074224996810752

Jeremy always had a good relationship with the local media of whatever city he played in.

PG13 · Post #1420 » by **PG13** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 6:42 pm

Bitter much?