120 Guarantees: the Nic Batum thread

[SWedd523]

never gonna wish injury on the guy. but i hope that he has substandard service in all of his dining experiences for the rest of his days

That's one hell of a curse for someone from Frahnce

[BlackOutBuzz]

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Was hoping that - because we let him pick his next team instead of trading him - he'd be willing to offset the full value of his next contract. Oh well, 20% is better than nothing.

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[bravor]

never gonna wish injury on the guy. but i hope that he has substandard service in all of his dining experiences for the rest of his days

That's one hell of a curse for someone from Frahnce

This is hopeless though, here >90 % of the people can cook (and by that i dont mean picking some industrial food and put it in the microwave oven ^ ^).

I dont understand anything about what has been done with Batum. I know if i had the opportunity, he would have rot on the bench and miss the next international window. This is basically what gets him excited with basketball wise, the national team every summer.
I know he had signed a contract with MJ (shoes) after he got traded here, but i doubt it is relevant for his contract management

I can only hope that Hayward's contract has a TO in its last year. Otherwise Kupchak is not better than Cho (if not worse, since at least Cho was a good cap manager despite all the other shortcomings).

[a-French-Fan]

I ve just heard a Batum 's interview. Kupchak apologized for some coach's decisions and thank him for being pro and not making any scandal.

[luciano-davidwesley]

The only one that should be apologising is that thief Batum.

[remi_222]

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Bonjour ...

[SWedd523]

This lazy bum doesn't play for the hornets anymore.

I'm sure the clippers have a thread on him

[MasterIchiro]

Call us back when he literally craps his pants during a crucial playoff game.

[bravor]

No matter what, it says a lot about the mismanagement of Hornets FO. The guy is far from washed. Even though he will have his crappy/invisible games sooner than later.
It's beyond stupid not to have kept his expiring contract to get some assets.

Anyway considering last draft picks its not like the whole FA has been a surprise.

[MasterIchiro]

No matter what, it says a lot about the mismanagement of Hornets FO. The guy is far from washed. Even though he will have his crappy/invisible games sooner than later.
It's beyond stupid not to have kept his expiring contract to get some assets.

Anyway considering last draft picks its not like the whole FA has been a surprise.

You don't think Kupchak ferociously shopped Batum's expiring contract? You honestly think Kupchak just skipped right to signing Hayward? And you honestly think the Hornets could have better spent the Hayward contract money on someone from this next dried up class? Who? Who exactly is better than Hayward from this next class? And why would a GM give draft assets for expiring cap facing a dried up free agent class? Most of those capped out teams are like the Clippers, they'd have to send out 27 million in contracts of players more valuable than Batum and most of them have sold off future drafts. Even the Warriors sold off a first for Oubre. OUBRE. Compare Oubre to Nic Batum. Suns sold off a first for Paul. CHRIS PAUL. Lakers sold off firsts for ANTHONY DAVIS. Bucks sold off firsts for JRUE HOLIDAY. Clippers sold off firsts for PAUL GEORGE. Miami owes multiple firsts. Houston sold off firsts for WESTBROOK.

Who were the Nets going to send out for Batum's 27 million? They have their picks. Did you expect the Wizards to send out Wall plus a pick for Batum instead of Westbrook? Sacramento Barnes (better than Batum) plus a first? Sacramento. A first?

What is this great deal for expiring Batum that Kupchak missed? Until you can sell me on a compelling proposal that a pro GM missed you're just bashing Kupchak senselessly.

[bravor]

I dont care about Kupchak or anyone else, i am more neutral than anything else here and i think my judgment is pretty objective over the years.
Even if Batum was the odd man out for many good reasons, his contract had value. Especially for some teams in the luxury. We are far from the deadline, and there was no emergency to get rid of Batum for nothing. Injuries can happen for other teams, incl. contenders (not wishing it to happen obviously). And opportunities happen at the same time.
Hayward's contract is not so bad though, and he is tradable baring some major injury.

[Liver_Pooty]

Spoiler:

No matter what, it says a lot about the mismanagement of Hornets FO. The guy is far from washed. Even though he will have his crappy/invisible games sooner than later.
It's beyond stupid not to have kept his expiring contract to get some assets.

Anyway considering last draft picks its not like the whole FA has been a surprise.

You don't think Kupchak ferociously shopped Batum's expiring contract? You honestly think Kupchak just skipped right to signing Hayward? And you honestly think the Hornets could have better spent the Hayward contract money on someone from this next dried up class? Who? Who exactly is better than Hayward from this next class? And why would a GM give draft assets for expiring cap facing a dried up free agent class? Most of those capped out teams are like the Clippers, they'd have to send out 27 million in contracts of players more valuable than Batum and most of them have sold off future drafts. Even the Warriors sold off a first for Oubre. OUBRE. Compare Oubre to Nic Batum. Suns sold off a first for Paul. CHRIS PAUL. Lakers sold off firsts for ANTHONY DAVIS. Bucks sold off firsts for JRUE HOLIDAY. Clippers sold off firsts for PAUL GEORGE. Miami owes multiple firsts. Houston sold off firsts for WESTBROOK.

Who were the Nets going to send out for Batum's 27 million? They have their picks. Did you expect the Wizards to send out Wall plus a pick for Batum instead of Westbrook? Sacramento Barnes (better than Batum) plus a first? Sacramento. A first?

What is this great deal for expiring Batum that Kupchak missed? Until you can sell me on a compelling proposal that a pro GM missed you're just bashing Kupchak senselessly.

Yep. Expiring contracts have become massively overrated. Don't agree with stretching him, but Hayward is much better than anything we could have gotten in next years FA crop.

[SWedd523]

No matter what, it says a lot about the mismanagement of Hornets FO. The guy is far from washed. Even though he will have his crappy/invisible games sooner than later.
It's beyond stupid not to have kept his expiring contract to get some assets.

Anyway considering last draft picks its not like the whole FA has been a surprise.

As someone who has been very vocal in his opposition to the way the FO managed the Batum stretch and Gordo signing, I'm not in agreement with you here

Not being able to find a partner to trade Batum to isn't an indictment on the FO. Its an indictment on how much Batum phoned it in over the past few years

He absolutely destroyed any value he had by playing like a fat, lazy, zero **** given bum. He embarrassed himself and the team by extension by signing a huge deal and immediately giving up.

He stole $120 million from the franchise and deserves to be treated like an outcast and thief because of it.

[luciano-davidwesley]

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Bonjour ...

Congrats Nic on the career high points. Now go tear an ACL.

The Clippers were one of the contenders I wanted to win this year but now Bumtum is there I'm hoping they don't.

[luciano-davidwesley]

No matter what, it says a lot about the mismanagement of Hornets FO. The guy is far from washed. Even though he will have his crappy/invisible games sooner than later.
It's beyond stupid not to have kept his expiring contract to get some assets.

Anyway considering last draft picks its not like the whole FA has been a surprise.

You don't think Kupchak ferociously shopped Batum's expiring contract? You honestly think Kupchak just skipped right to signing Hayward? And you honestly think the Hornets could have better spent the Hayward contract money on someone from this next dried up class? Who? Who exactly is better than Hayward from this next class? And why would a GM give draft assets for expiring cap facing a dried up free agent class? Most of those capped out teams are like the Clippers, they'd have to send out 27 million in contracts of players more valuable than Batum and most of them have sold off future drafts. Even the Warriors sold off a first for Oubre. OUBRE. Compare Oubre to Nic Batum. Suns sold off a first for Paul. CHRIS PAUL. Lakers sold off firsts for ANTHONY DAVIS. Bucks sold off firsts for JRUE HOLIDAY. Clippers sold off firsts for PAUL GEORGE. Miami owes multiple firsts. Houston sold off firsts for WESTBROOK.

Who were the Nets going to send out for Batum's 27 million? They have their picks. Did you expect the Wizards to send out Wall plus a pick for Batum instead of Westbrook? Sacramento Barnes (better than Batum) plus a first? Sacramento. A first?

What is this great deal for expiring Batum that Kupchak missed? Until you can sell me on a compelling proposal that a pro GM missed you're just bashing Kupchak senselessly.

No he didn't try hard enough because he got rid of him before the trade deadline, where teams that aren't in the hunt decide to cut their losses and trade bad contracts. He had MONTHS to try to do something with Batum if our front office wasn't so perennially impatient. Mitch is a clown for how this was handled so please stop defending him.

[MasterIchiro]

No matter what, it says a lot about the mismanagement of Hornets FO. The guy is far from washed. Even though he will have his crappy/invisible games sooner than later.
It's beyond stupid not to have kept his expiring contract to get some assets.

Anyway considering last draft picks its not like the whole FA has been a surprise.

You don't think Kupchak ferociously shopped Batum's expiring contract? You honestly think Kupchak just skipped right to signing Hayward? And you honestly think the Hornets could have better spent the Hayward contract money on someone from this next dried up class? Who? Who exactly is better than Hayward from this next class? And why would a GM give draft assets for expiring cap facing a dried up free agent class? Most of those capped out teams are like the Clippers, they'd have to send out 27 million in contracts of players more valuable than Batum and most of them have sold off future drafts. Even the Warriors sold off a first for Oubre. OUBRE. Compare Oubre to Nic Batum. Suns sold off a first for Paul. CHRIS PAUL. Lakers sold off firsts for ANTHONY DAVIS. Bucks sold off firsts for JRUE HOLIDAY. Clippers sold off firsts for PAUL GEORGE. Miami owes multiple firsts. Houston sold off firsts for WESTBROOK.

Who were the Nets going to send out for Batum's 27 million? They have their picks. Did you expect the Wizards to send out Wall plus a pick for Batum instead of Westbrook? Sacramento Barnes (better than Batum) plus a first? Sacramento. A first?

What is this great deal for expiring Batum that Kupchak missed? Until you can sell me on a compelling proposal that a pro GM missed you're just bashing Kupchak senselessly.

No he didn't try hard enough because he got rid of him before the trade deadline, where teams that aren't in the hunt decide to cut their losses and trade bad contracts. He had MONTHS to try to do something with Batum if our front office wasn't so perennially impatient. Mitch is a clown for how this was handled so please stop defending him.

Where is your mystery missed deal? What was this better alternative trade where Kupchak sent out Batum? Pick the team. Pick the 27 million in players coming back. I'll get ready to LMAO. Until you have one iota of a clue about Kupchak's choices with Batum you have no leg to stand on and you're just senselessly, baselessly bashing Kupchak for something I'm supposed to just assume he didn't explore as a professional. Kupchak has been trying to find a place to dump Batum since he arrived. He's been exploring deals for years, not months. I'm supposed to believe he was just sitting on his ass while GM's were banging down his door to send out 27 million in players for Batum? **** no.

[DY_nasty]

this fan fiction just gets better and better

[SWedd523]

You don't think Kupchak ferociously shopped Batum's expiring contract? You honestly think Kupchak just skipped right to signing Hayward? And you honestly think the Hornets could have better spent the Hayward contract money on someone from this next dried up class? Who? Who exactly is better than Hayward from this next class? And why would a GM give draft assets for expiring cap facing a dried up free agent class? Most of those capped out teams are like the Clippers, they'd have to send out 27 million in contracts of players more valuable than Batum and most of them have sold off future drafts. Even the Warriors sold off a first for Oubre. OUBRE. Compare Oubre to Nic Batum. Suns sold off a first for Paul. CHRIS PAUL. Lakers sold off firsts for ANTHONY DAVIS. Bucks sold off firsts for JRUE HOLIDAY. Clippers sold off firsts for PAUL GEORGE. Miami owes multiple firsts. Houston sold off firsts for WESTBROOK.

Who were the Nets going to send out for Batum's 27 million? They have their picks. Did you expect the Wizards to send out Wall plus a pick for Batum instead of Westbrook? Sacramento Barnes (better than Batum) plus a first? Sacramento. A first?

What is this great deal for expiring Batum that Kupchak missed? Until you can sell me on a compelling proposal that a pro GM missed you're just bashing Kupchak senselessly.

No he didn't try hard enough because he got rid of him before the trade deadline, where teams that aren't in the hunt decide to cut their losses and trade bad contracts. He had MONTHS to try to do something with Batum if our front office wasn't so perennially impatient. Mitch is a clown for how this was handled so please stop defending him.

Where is your mystery missed deal? What was this better alternative trade where Kupchak sent out Batum? Pick the team. Pick the 27 million in players coming back. I'll get ready to LMAO. Until you have one iota of a clue about Kupchak's choices with Batum you have no leg to stand on and you're just senselessly, baselessly bashing Kupchak for something I'm supposed to just assume he didn't explore as a professional. Kupchak has been trying to find a place to dump Batum since he arrived. He's been exploring deals for years, not months. I'm supposed to believe he was just sitting on his ass while GM's were banging down his door to send out 27 million in players for Batum? **** no.

I love how in the same post you attack my dude for not having any clue about what is going on behind closed doors... Then turn around and senselessly, baselessly, make a bunch of claims as to what Kupchak was trying to do.

You work in the FO? Have inside sources? Got Kupchak on your Rolodex? No?

Removed personal attack, no name calling. JDR

[luciano-davidwesley]

You don't think Kupchak ferociously shopped Batum's expiring contract? You honestly think Kupchak just skipped right to signing Hayward? And you honestly think the Hornets could have better spent the Hayward contract money on someone from this next dried up class? Who? Who exactly is better than Hayward from this next class? And why would a GM give draft assets for expiring cap facing a dried up free agent class? Most of those capped out teams are like the Clippers, they'd have to send out 27 million in contracts of players more valuable than Batum and most of them have sold off future drafts. Even the Warriors sold off a first for Oubre. OUBRE. Compare Oubre to Nic Batum. Suns sold off a first for Paul. CHRIS PAUL. Lakers sold off firsts for ANTHONY DAVIS. Bucks sold off firsts for JRUE HOLIDAY. Clippers sold off firsts for PAUL GEORGE. Miami owes multiple firsts. Houston sold off firsts for WESTBROOK.

Who were the Nets going to send out for Batum's 27 million? They have their picks. Did you expect the Wizards to send out Wall plus a pick for Batum instead of Westbrook? Sacramento Barnes (better than Batum) plus a first? Sacramento. A first?

What is this great deal for expiring Batum that Kupchak missed? Until you can sell me on a compelling proposal that a pro GM missed you're just bashing Kupchak senselessly.

No he didn't try hard enough because he got rid of him before the trade deadline, where teams that aren't in the hunt decide to cut their losses and trade bad contracts. He had MONTHS to try to do something with Batum if our front office wasn't so perennially impatient. Mitch is a clown for how this was handled so please stop defending him.

Where is your mystery missed deal? What was this better alternative trade where Kupchak sent out Batum? Pick the team. Pick the 27 million in players coming back. I'll get ready to LMAO. Until you have one iota of a clue about Kupchak's choices with Batum you have no leg to stand on and you're just senselessly, baselessly bashing Kupchak for something I'm supposed to just assume he didn't explore as a professional. Kupchak has been trying to find a place to dump Batum since he arrived. He's been exploring deals for years, not months. I'm supposed to believe he was just sitting on his ass while GM's were banging down his door to send out 27 million in players for Batum? **** no.

Ok I'll just look into my crystal ball and see which teams get major injuries or underperform before the trade deadline.

History tells us there'll be a few teams looking to deal. Even if there are not, making no moves is a much better strategy than making bad moves (which is exactly what we've done).

But yep yep knee-jerk stretching Batum and massively overpaying Hayward long term were definitely the best moves. Centers are dead and Myles Turner and Avdija are the next two MVP's.

Lolololol

[luciano-davidwesley]

No he didn't try hard enough because he got rid of him before the trade deadline, where teams that aren't in the hunt decide to cut their losses and trade bad contracts. He had MONTHS to try to do something with Batum if our front office wasn't so perennially impatient. Mitch is a clown for how this was handled so please stop defending him.

Where is your mystery missed deal? What was this better alternative trade where Kupchak sent out Batum? Pick the team. Pick the 27 million in players coming back. I'll get ready to LMAO. Until you have one iota of a clue about Kupchak's choices with Batum you have no leg to stand on and you're just senselessly, baselessly bashing Kupchak for something I'm supposed to just assume he didn't explore as a professional. Kupchak has been trying to find a place to dump Batum since he arrived. He's been exploring deals for years, not months. I'm supposed to believe he was just sitting on his ass while GM's were banging down his door to send out 27 million in players for Batum? **** no.

I love how in the same post you attack my dude for not having any clue about what is going on behind closed doors... Then turn around and senselessly, baselessly, make a bunch of claims as to what Kupchak was trying to do.

You work in the FO? Have inside sources? Got Kupchak on your Rolodex? No?

Removed Personal attack ; JDR

So after waiting out Batum for years Kupcake FINALLY gets into a position where a team might explore interest in dealing for Batum's expiring contract and what does he do? He gets a hard on to massively overpay (long term) a good but not great player nudging 30, so he then has to stretch Batum just as peak selling season for him is about to commence as we approach the deadline.

But yes you're right Kupcake drafted Devonte so we can just gloss over his pathetic free agent contract negotiation history and lack of trade creativity. I'd kill to have someone with foresight like Sam Presti as our GM.