Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[bigbob]

honestly, id rather not play the rockets again this season, ESPECIALLY not on their home court. You need to play the rockets, in a different kind of way you do most other teams. Hopefully, this was a valuable experience for the hornets, and I also hope our boy lin starts to improve his flopping skills. He has potential from what I saw last night.

https://youtu.be/63gE8R_jgmg?t=21s

Now. Set speed via YOUTUBE control to .25 speed.

NEXT WATCH AT 23. Harden steps forward, between Lin's legs, his foot then clips the BACK of Lin's RIGHT HEEL. This is combined with a push with Harden's left arm.

The minute Harden feels that, he prepares to shoot.


Hope all you want, but that was no flop. You can watch that video 100 times and you still won't find a flop. NOW IN HD QUALITY


If you want to see a decent example of what ankle breaking looks like without a TRIP or SHOVE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gjB2t2Kpcg

You can even slow this video down in .25 speed.

yes lin slightly tripped on hardens ankles, but I think that when harden threw an elbow, lin tried to sell it as a flop. Im not 100% certain, but just the fact that he flopped 3 times prior to this "ankle breaker" gives me some doubts. Flopping hard on dwight howard, then on corey brewer, and finally pat beverley (which was one of the funniest flops ive seen, literally pretending to trip and fall into him while bringing up the ball). Yes, lin was just flopping all over the place last night, and im not sure if that play with harden wasn't a little bit of a flop attempt by lin as well. Too bad there weren't any refs nearby on the sidelines, he might have gotten the call. Either way, the way lin and pj hairston played last night, flopping like idiots was what made yesterdays game enjoyable lol.

[thekiller99]

I think lin was a reason for the loss

Completely ignores the shooting % of the Hornet's roster and the Turnovers.

This is what we call bias, you have a personal bias against Lin. You also desire a scapegoat.

I've posted the box-score and break-down of our starters, if you can't interpret the numbers and the amount of missed shots, and missed dunks, and TO's, then that is on you.

At this point I don't think you have a vested interest in the Hornets actually being a winning team. You'd rather wash over everything else, look. The Charlotte Hornets are not a 1 man team. There is an entire roster of players, there are starters, most of whom are paid a LOT more and play a LOT more, and SHOOT a LOT more on a consistent basis.


Lin whom only played 19 minutes, is your scapegoat. Whose to blame for the remaining 41 minutes? Did we have the Ghosts of Christmas dressed as Lin playing the other 4 positions for the bench and the other 5 positions in Kemba Batum Kaminsky Zeller Hairston costumes?

While you focus on pointing a finger at only one person the rest of us will actually look at the Hornets as a team, as 2 units; the starters and the bench - we will go from there.

Great post! Just ignore those trolls! They will always try to get Lin to be the scapegoat.

Lin gets 3 fouls in 3mins then plays 19mins in the second half yet somehow gets 13pts 4-6FG 1-3 3FG 4-7FT 5ast 1TO

While our franchise golden boy plays a whopping 41mins 14points 3-10FG 2-6 3FG 6-6FT 6ast 4TO.

[bws94]

bigbob, one missed 3 means nothing. Clutch performers miss shots all of the time, even open ones. Curry is on a different level than most players, he doesn't count. I've seen LeBron miss 3s that wide open. He took it, he missed it. The thing with clutch performers is to take the shots and make many of them. Go back and watch the Kings OT or even the Raptors OT. I can understand saying Lin missing FTs isn't clutch, but not 3s where hitting them at 38 percent to 42 percent and higher is considered good.

[bigbob]

I think lin was a reason for the loss

Completely ignores the shooting % of the Hornet's roster and the Turnovers.

This is what we call bias, you have a personal bias against Lin. You also desire a scapegoat.

I've posted the box-score and break-down of our starters, if you can't interpret the numbers and the amount of missed shots, and missed dunks, and TO's, then that is on you.

At this point I don't think you have a vested interest in the Hornets actually being a winning team. You'd rather wash over everything else, look. The Charlotte Hornets are not a 1 man team. There is an entire roster of players, there are starters, most of whom are paid a LOT more and play a LOT more, and SHOOT a LOT more on a consistent basis.


Lin whom only played 19 minutes, is your scapegoat. Whose to blame for the remaining 41 minutes? Did we have the Ghosts of Christmas dressed as Lin playing the other 4 positions for the bench and the other 5 positions in Kemba Batum Kaminsky Zeller Hairston costumes?

While you focus on pointing a finger at only one person the rest of us will actually look at the Hornets as a team, as 2 units; the starters and the bench - we will go from there.

You are mistaken man, I am a BIG lin fan, love his game and can see he has a ton of potential. I am NOT scapegoating him at all, just pointing out what alot of us already know or might suspect. When the game all falls on him, in the clutch he sometimes ends up choking..it is a confidence thing in my opinion and missing a 3 that was literally THAT wide open, is just terrible. The shot was so wide open, nobody on the rockets even bothered to defend lin, they just decided to let him take it. Again im NOT scape goating lin, because the others on the team SUKD and HARD. If it wasn't for the rest of the team, ie kemba/batum/marvin williams/pj hairston/zeller then I think the hornets would not have been in that situation in the first place. This loss is more on them than it is on lin, no doubt about that.

[bigbob]

bigbob, one missed 3 means nothing. Clutch performers miss shots all of the time, even open ones. Curry is on a different level than most players, he doesn't count. I've seen LeBron miss 3s that wide open. He took it, he missed it. The thing with clutch performers is to take the shots and make many of them. Go back and watch the Kings OT or even the Raptors OT. I can understand saying Lin missing FTs isn't clutch, but not 3s where hitting them at 38 percent to 42 percent and higher is considered good.

one missed 3pointer, 3 consecutive missed free throws, and also his prior history. Yes clutch performers miss shot all the time but that is usually when someone has a hand in the face and is guarding them like a dog. Also you are right, this is not unique to lin, to think something like that would be naive. I think lebron james, is similar, same with vince carter, and alot of other players. Some people buckle under the pressure, some people feed off it and reach the next level. Every body has this kind of internal conflict against themselves to some extent, but whether or not someone can conquer it is what will set them apart. I think lin can become better, he just needs more experience in these types of close games, as well as alot of practise and even more confidence.

[Braggins]

Missing some open shots doesn't automatically make someone not clutch. Missing those three free throws was definitely not clutch, though. That was really the only thing that bothered about Lin this last game.

I haven't seen enough of Lin to make a declaration about his clutchness, but based on what I've seen so far he seems more clutch than not.

[ChokeFasncists]

honestly, id rather not play the rockets again this season, ESPECIALLY not on their home court. You need to play the rockets, in a different kind of way you do most other teams. Hopefully, this was a valuable experience for the hornets, and I also hope our boy lin starts to improve his flopping skills. He has potential from what I saw last night.

https://youtu.be/63gE8R_jgmg?t=21s

Now. Set speed via YOUTUBE control to .25 speed.

NEXT WATCH AT 23. Harden steps forward, between Lin's legs, his foot then clips the BACK of Lin's RIGHT HEEL. This is combined with a push with Harden's left arm.

The minute Harden feels that, he prepares to shoot.


Hope all you want, but that was no flop. You can watch that video 100 times and you still won't find a flop. NOW IN HD QUALITY


If you want to see a decent example of what ankle breaking looks like without a TRIP or SHOVE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gjB2t2Kpcg

You can even slow this video down in .25 speed.

Thanks!!! Not a flop, not an ankle break, it was a foul.

[ChokeFasncists]

i rewatched the game just now and I also changed my mind...I think lin was a reason for the loss late game in the final 2 mins. Yeah there was the missed free throws, but the biggest miss was that WIDE open 3. Most players above a certain level will hit a shot that open 8 times out of 10. Steph Curry will hit it 9 times out of 10. But lin somehow missed that shot which almost everyone expected to go in. I was genuinely surprised when lin missed and think that kemba, or batuum would have made it.

Im a bit sad to say it, but my original evaluation of him as a double edge sword still stands. Sometimes he will feed off the energy and just destroy everyone, othertimes he will help out the other team. The BEST case scenario in my opinion is NOT to have these kinds of close games, where the team is down by a few points, catching up, and depending on lin to save the day. Better to have a little bit of room so he can have confidence and less pressure/fear of failure, like he did with the raptors. This isn't an uncommon trait, its actually something I remember with vince carter as well. People LOVED him, but when it came to clutch time scenarios, down by a few points and depend on him to hit the dagger, he buckled more than once. The fans love turned to hate, and vince left the raptors on bad terms. Unfortunately I have a feeling, that, this is exactly what we are seeing with lin right now. While some games he is clutch when he is CONFIDENT in himself, other days when there is self doubt, he self implodes. In these types of games, I think its better for someone else to hit that dagger, until the time comes when lin has matured and become stronger mentally.

Batum just missed one a play before.

Even Kobe misses open threes down the stretch.

Curry is a deadeye shooter, Lin isn't (yet?). Can't compare.

[kinein]

I think lin was a reason for the loss

Completely ignores the shooting % of the Hornet's roster and the Turnovers.

This is what we call bias, you have a personal bias against Lin. You also desire a scapegoat.

I've posted the box-score and break-down of our starters, if you can't interpret the numbers and the amount of missed shots, and missed dunks, and TO's, then that is on you.

At this point I don't think you have a vested interest in the Hornets actually being a winning team. You'd rather wash over everything else, look. The Charlotte Hornets are not a 1 man team. There is an entire roster of players, there are starters, most of whom are paid a LOT more and play a LOT more, and SHOOT a LOT more on a consistent basis.


Lin whom only played 19 minutes, is your scapegoat. Whose to blame for the remaining 41 minutes? Did we have the Ghosts of Christmas dressed as Lin playing the other 4 positions for the bench and the other 5 positions in Kemba Batum Kaminsky Zeller Hairston costumes?

While you focus on pointing a finger at only one person the rest of us will actually look at the Hornets as a team, as 2 units; the starters and the bench - we will go from there.

You are mistaken man, I am a BIG lin fan, love his game and can see he has a ton of potential. I am NOT scapegoating him at all, just pointing out what alot of us already know or might suspect. When the game all falls on him, in the clutch he sometimes ends up choking..it is a confidence thing in my opinion and missing a 3 that was literally THAT wide open, is just terrible. The shot was so wide open, nobody on the rockets even bothered to defend lin, they just decided to let him take it. Again im NOT scape goating lin, because the others on the team SUKD and HARD. If it wasn't for the rest of the team, ie kemba/batum/marvin williams/pj hairston/zeller then I think the hornets would not have been in that situation in the first place. This loss is more on them than it is on lin, no doubt about that.

Your clarification is appreciated.

But you do realize you said in one sentence. The loss is on Lin, thats the only reason I responded to your earlier post.

As much as you want Lin to make 1 more extra shot, as I'm sure many Hornet fans wish as well. It didn't go in, I looked at a statistic once that looked at the last 20 or so Carmelo Anthony clutch opportunities at the end of the game, he as 1 for like 20. Its not whether or not someone makes the shot or not, its whether they take it.

Now when it comes to making it, thats when a player elevates his standing in front of the fans and his peers.

And if they ever get into the Steph Curry zone, then they are a generational player.

[eladamrine]

This thread about Jeremy Lin is so bipolar. As someone who cheers for Jeremy Lin all I see are crazies all around. There are those not insignificant groups of Lin fanatics, mostly from Asian countries, who write incendiary sentences in broken English blaming everyone for Lin's failures. According to them Lin is a victim of a hostile NBA system with racist overtones. On the other side of the spectrum are those who stereotype all Lin fans as fanatics. According to them, all Lin fans are moronic, brainwashed, blind to facts, knows nothing about basketball and just watches the NBA to see Jeremy Lin. The latter group has an irrational dislike of Jeremy Lin because of his apparently ignorant fans and his rise to stardom which is believed to be undeserved based on his skill. I don't know which camp is more despicable - the fans who do more harm than good with their unrelenting bashing of anything non-Jeremy Lin or the reactionary camp who indulge in some high grade hypocrisy by failing the very criteria of objectivity they use to marginalize Jeremy Lin fans.

It is easy to see that the truth is somewhere in between. On the derogatory and inflammatory flow chart about Lin's fans some pages ago on this thread it was noted that Jeremy Lin fans called McHale a racist for not giving him minutes. Racism does exist in the NBA but there is no evidence that McHale is a racist so the claim is far fetched. But McHale very likely hindered Jeremy Lin's growth. Look at what the Inside the NBA panel recently said about the bad start at the Rockets. The majority of the panel stated that McHale's strategy was to give Harden the ball and for everyone to wait around for the rebound. That this was hurting the team because the other players could not buy in to a vision of a team where they had no significant roles. They were essentially bystanders. McHale was fired soon after. I'll leave that up to the jury whether that kind of system was good for any role player.

You could also make the flow chart about any player in the NBA and their fans. There will always be some group of hard core fans who are apologists and there will always be reactionary groups to that. But these groups are only sub sets of the totality of fans for that player. If you blindly take what these groups say to be fact and react then you also believe that Kawhi is a top 3 player, the Clippers are a bunch of whiners who are too soft to ever win a championship, Jordan Clarkson is an All Star etc. Don't be so caught up on outrageous claims about Jeremy Lin when you know better about other players and teams.

[kinein]

then you also believe that Kawhi is a top 3 player, the Clippers are a bunch of whiners who are too soft to ever win a championship, Jordan Clarkson is an All Star etc. Don't be so caught up on outrageous claims about Jeremy Lin when you know better about other players and teams.

for someone with only 3 realgm posts.. you do have a lot to say. Welcome to realgm and the hornets board.. wherever in the universe you are from o rambler of ramblers!

[ChokeFasncists]

I don't know which camp is more despicable - the fans who do more harm than good with their unrelenting bashing of anything non-Jeremy Lin or the reactionary camp who indulge in some high grade hypocrisy by failing the very criteria of objectivity they use to marginalize Jeremy Lin fans.

Innocent/passionate but unlearned fans vs venomous/over-generalizing haters. Easy choice to make.

It is easy to see that the truth is somewhere in between. On the derogatory and inflammatory flow chart about Lin's fans some pages ago on this thread it was noted that Jeremy Lin fans called McHale a racist for not giving him minutes. Racism does exist in the NBA but there is no evidence that McHale is a racist so the claim is far fetched.

We don't know if he is one but he surely invites the suspicion. Who would bench a guy when he plays his first game in a certain continent? Serious disrespect. Well deserved.

But McHale very likely hindered Jeremy Lin's growth. Look at what the Inside the NBA panel recently said about the bad start at the Rockets. The majority of the panel stated that McHale's strategy was to give Harden the ball and for everyone to wait around for the rebound. That this was hurting the team because the other players could not buy in to a vision of a team where they had no significant roles. They were essentially bystanders. McHale was fired soon after. I'll leave that up to the jury whether that kind of system was good for any role player.

What a dumb joke we witnessed. We've all been saying that ever since his move of benching the facilitating point guard in favor of a 3&D guy. Bad move. Even worse are all the haters who supported this move out of spite. They have a CFasncistic desire to designate a certain group inferior, their opinions false, in order to satisfy their own inferiority complex. They get what they deserve.

Lin/Harden/Parsons/TJ/D12 with a good coach should have been a title contender. What a McDumbBell! Never seen a minute of real action! Well, the Hornets are surely benefiting from his dumbness.

[anthoang]

honestly I think lin should start wearing dark arm sleeves like dwight howard does. Lins skin tone is pretty light so maybe it will make his arms a bit more visible to the refs eyes? The number of calls that lin doesn't get or the false calls that goes against him was just ridiculous this game.

When there is a questionable call, the black refs tend to favor the black players Lin is matched up against. I've watched Lin and the refs long enough to notice these things.


Lin had the chance to be the hero in the Rockets game. But he missed those freethrows... I know we're all disappointed, but the one who is most disappointed is Lin himself. The whole stadium could hear him cuss after missing that 2nd free throw.

[13th Man]

honestly I think lin should start wearing dark arm sleeves like dwight howard does. Lins skin tone is pretty light so maybe it will make his arms a bit more visible to the refs eyes? The number of calls that lin doesn't get or the false calls that goes against him was just ridiculous this game.

When there is a questionable call, the black refs tend to favor the black players Lin is matched up against. I've watched Lin and the refs long enough to notice these things.

Depends on the ref, some are biased some aren't but it does happen to him. Nothing he can do but whine a bit then move on. Guys like PG know the consequences of speaking out.

[yosemiteben]

honestly I think lin should start wearing dark arm sleeves like dwight howard does. Lins skin tone is pretty light so maybe it will make his arms a bit more visible to the refs eyes? The number of calls that lin doesn't get or the false calls that goes against him was just ridiculous this game.

When there is a questionable call, the black refs tend to favor the black players Lin is matched up against. I've watched Lin and the refs long enough to notice these things.

If an explanation for anything having to do with Lin (or anything else for that matter) is "that person is [INSERT SKIN COLOR] and those people do [INSERT ACTION]" then you should not post that on these boards.

[Teddyb]

Completely ignores the shooting % of the Hornet's roster and the Turnovers.

This is what we call bias, you have a personal bias against Lin. You also desire a scapegoat.

I've posted the box-score and break-down of our starters, if you can't interpret the numbers and the amount of missed shots, and missed dunks, and TO's, then that is on you.

At this point I don't think you have a vested interest in the Hornets actually being a winning team. You'd rather wash over everything else, look. The Charlotte Hornets are not a 1 man team. There is an entire roster of players, there are starters, most of whom are paid a LOT more and play a LOT more, and SHOOT a LOT more on a consistent basis.


Lin whom only played 19 minutes, is your scapegoat. Whose to blame for the remaining 41 minutes? Did we have the Ghosts of Christmas dressed as Lin playing the other 4 positions for the bench and the other 5 positions in Kemba Batum Kaminsky Zeller Hairston costumes?

While you focus on pointing a finger at only one person the rest of us will actually look at the Hornets as a team, as 2 units; the starters and the bench - we will go from there.

You are mistaken man, I am a BIG lin fan, love his game and can see he has a ton of potential. I am NOT scapegoating him at all, just pointing out what alot of us already know or might suspect. When the game all falls on him, in the clutch he sometimes ends up choking..it is a confidence thing in my opinion and missing a 3 that was literally THAT wide open, is just terrible. The shot was so wide open, nobody on the rockets even bothered to defend lin, they just decided to let him take it. Again im NOT scape goating lin, because the others on the team SUKD and HARD. If it wasn't for the rest of the team, ie kemba/batum/marvin williams/pj hairston/zeller then I think the hornets would not have been in that situation in the first place. This loss is more on them than it is on lin, no doubt about that.

Your clarification is appreciated.

But you do realize you said in one sentence. The loss is on Lin, thats the only reason I responded to your earlier post.

As much as you want Lin to make 1 more extra shot, as I'm sure many Hornet fans wish as well. It didn't go in, I looked at a statistic once that looked at the last 20 or so Carmelo Anthony clutch opportunities at the end of the game, he as 1 for like 20. Its not whether or not someone makes the shot or not, its whether they take it.

Now when it comes to making it, thats when a player elevates his standing in front of the fans and his peers.

And if they ever get into the Steph Curry zone, then they are a generational player.

Yea I was saying that Kobe Bryant is like 2 for the last 15 on game winners.....Lin is a clutch player. He missed those foul shots....it happens. Right now for the money he's being paid he's the best player on the team....2 mill is a steal

[bws94]

Forget the salary, it's artificially low. Lin is becoming the 3rd best player on the team after Kemba and Batum. All-around player, Lin may be 3rd best (not counting MKG who heavily favors with elite, all-star defense). Some nights, Lin is the top player of the 3, that's why he needs to take over late games when he has it going and Batum/Kemba are loaded on or cold.

[bigbob]

honestly I think lin should start wearing dark arm sleeves like dwight howard does. Lins skin tone is pretty light so maybe it will make his arms a bit more visible to the refs eyes? The number of calls that lin doesn't get or the false calls that goes against him was just ridiculous this game.

When there is a questionable call, the black refs tend to favor the black players Lin is matched up against. I've watched Lin and the refs long enough to notice these things.


Lin had the chance to be the hero in the Rockets game. But he missed those freethrows... I know we're all disappointed, but the one who is most disappointed is Lin himself. The whole stadium could hear him cuss after missing that 2nd free throw.

maybe thats true?? Probably not though. The refs might be biased but i doubt its because of skin colour. I think that lin isn't getting much calls because hes not considered an nba star. If you are a star, you tend to get better treatment from the refs, and everyone else, thats how the game works. So unless lin builds his reputation, his situation won't improve for a while. Not to mention, lins salary currently is a weak sauce $2m/year. Some refs make that much money lol, so they don't feel intimidated by lin. I think another factor is # of years in the league. If you make "friends" with the refs and are in the league for a longer time they also tend to favor you a bit more. Its like the old boys club...once you're in, youre IN

[ChokeFasncists]

To be fair, he was getting better treatment in NYK and his first year in Houston.

Not quite the same after the demotion.

[bigbob]

not a great game by lin tonight..way too many turnovers especially in the first and 2nd quarters. Looked like he lacked energy. Still..this team its not working out. The way that hornets live and die with kemba is going to blow any chances of making playoffs. Lin needs to keep stats in decent condition and leave hornets asap