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[fatlever]

have you guys seen the highlights of what beverley did to holiday in preseason?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DP7lbIOuIA[/youtube]

[catch20two]

That's just Holiday doing what Holiday do, not to take anything away from Beverly as a tenacious defender, but Holiday lead the league in turnovers last season for a reason.

[fatlever]

brings me to my question...

which 5 players would you put on your all "players who i would hate to guard me because they are relentless, never take plays off and hound you for 48 minutes, no matter the score, the setting, the importance of the game" team?

i've got beverley, tony allen, mkg, faried and noah. who else?

[mrknowitall215]

Avery Bradley, Luol Deng, Paul George & a pre-ACL injury Rajon Rondo off the top of my head...and Mike Conley Jr. is pretty pesky as well, as far as players that are not on your list. Jimmy Butler might be in consideration too. I wouldn't know how to put my top 5, but Tony Allen would definitely be at the top of my list

[fatlever]

mullens in 16 minutes so far tonight
2-for-10 from field
1-for-7 from 3pt
2 rebounds
-9 +/-

[fatlever]

clipper fans on twitter getting their first look at mullens

Martin Riggs ‏@alvinignacio13 17m

damn!! Byron Mullens never saw a shot he didn't like.

Zack Muncie ‏@zackmuncie 21m

@MrFavachio Byron Mullens is killin me tonight in this game... He's gotta be 1/11 from 3 lol

Seth Heng ‏@HengTimeSports 23m

Byron Mullens thinks he's Chris Mullins. #Clippers

Justin Tuico ‏@tuicyy 25m

Can someone please tell Byron Mullens to stop taking those 3s...

Eagles 9-7 ‏@andilemb 1h

Byron Mullens is a bootleg Kevin Love.

Ed West ‏@EdWest88 1h

I hated Byron Mullens when they got him. I hate him now.

[Liver_Pooty]

mullens in 16 minutes so far tonight
2-for-10 from field
1-for-7 from 3pt
2 rebounds
-9 +/-

Lol I saw that earlier. Rivers will bench him in a heartbeat if he keeps that up.

[Diop]

[vorbis]

what other ex-bobcats were tons of fun to watch flounder on teams after leaving charlotte? if he keeps it up mullens will be one of the best, until he's glued to the end of the bench like adam morrison.

[MPM]

what other ex-bobcats were tons of fun to watch flounder on teams after leaving charlotte? if he keeps it up mullens will be one of the best, until he's glued to the end of the bench like adam morrison.

I'm guessing that Mullens will be tops, but - man - was I rooting for the Tyrus Thomas to NYC rumors to be true. Knicks fans would have had a heyday with T2.

I guess DJ doesn't count - that's just not fun to watch - he's a train wreck. A sad, sad, train wreck.

[LamarMatic7]

brings me to my question...

which 5 players would you put on your all "players who i would hate to guard me because they are relentless, never take plays off and hound you for 48 minutes, no matter the score, the setting, the importance of the game" team?

i've got beverley, tony allen, mkg, faried and noah. who else?

Muggsy Bogues. I can't imagine how a point guard could enjoy a regular season game with Bogues hounding you all game long.

[catch20two]

mullens in 16 minutes so far tonight
2-for-10 from field
1-for-7 from 3pt
2 rebounds
-9 +/-

It's safe to say that I won't miss him. I see not even Doc Rivers and Chris Paul can get to him to make him a smarter player.

[fatlever]

http://hoopshype.com/galleries/hoopshyp ... ts-history

i've been slacking on my top 50 posts.

gonna guess on this one w/out looking at any stats or rosters. no help at all. (hoopshype rank in parenthesis)

1.hakeem olajuwon (1)
2.moses malone (2)
3.yao ming (8)
4.tracy mcgrady (9)
5.calvin murphy (4)
6.clyde drexler (6)
7.ralph sampson (7)
8.steve francis (10)
9.kenny smith (12)
10.otis thorpe (11)
11.rudy tomjanovic (5)
12.robert horry (16)
13.charles barkley (13)
14.rodney mccray (24)
15.vernon maxwell (14)

dang, got 13 of top 15 in some order, just missed horry. way off on mccray
looks like i had mcgrady and yao too high and rudy too low.

who did i forget?
15.mike newlin - yeah, would have never guessed that one.
3.elvin hayes - i completely whiffed on that one. always think of hayes as a bullet, not a rocket. hard to even remember anything about the rockets prior to 1981.

not bad for a blind guess.

[fatlever]

top 50 in bucks. no help from bbref
http://hoopshype.com/galleries/hoopshyp ... ks-history

gonna be much tougher than rockets since bucks had success in 70s. i dont know anything about the bucks in the 70s beyond kareem and oscar.

1.kareem abdul-jabar (1)
2.sidney moncrief (2)
3.oscar robertson (5)
4.ray allen (7)
5.glenn robinson (8)
6.jack sikma (15)
7.paul pressey (14)
8.vin baker (17)
9.terry cummings (9)
10.sam cassell (13)
11.michael redd (4)
12.ricky pierce (12)
13.brandon jennings (argh) (23)
14.andrew bogut (18)
15.eric murdock (? i'm getting low on ideas) (29...haha, not even close)

i'm not doing good at all on this one. that being said, redd seems ranked too high.
11 out of 15

players i missed
11. brian winters
10. junior bridgeman
4. bobby dandridge. thats a bad miss
3. marques johnson. thats another bad miss. i was just looking at his stats last week.

[fatlever]

felton looks as chunky as ever.

[countryboi]

felton looks as chunky as ever.

And we though deron Williams was going to be the fat one.

[Diop]

Diop with 2 rebounds in 3 minutes.

Give him 36 minutes and he will be averaging 24 a game.

[HornetJail]

Speaking of Diop, I looked at his stats: in his last 4 years with us, he scored a TOTAL of 99 points. TOTAL.


He also has 34 more career fouls than career points. Is he the worst player in the history of the game with more than 10 years in the league? I love Diop and everything, but those stats are mind-blowing.

[LamarMatic7]

Speaking of Diop, I looked at his stats: in his last 4 years with us, he scored a TOTAL of 99 points. TOTAL.

And me and Sachmo cherish each one of those 99 points.

[LamarMatic7]

But yeah. He's a part of the immortal "more fouls than points in a season" bunch. I remember having this in one of the columns I did for a Latvian news site.

The criteria was that the player had to play at least 41 games during which he averaged 15 mpg so he'd be an actual rotation player.

It mostly had shot blockers who couldn't contribute in any other way. Gana Diop, George Johnson, Charles Jones, Jim McIlvaine, Manute Bol and unfortunately my own Andris Biedrins who was the only player of the 12 who have achieved this who could actually score at some point in his career.

So I guess that if you want to actually find someone worse stats-wise than Gana Diop who has the longevity along with it, it would one of the other guys on that list.

I nominate Charles Jones.

Jones: 15 seasons, 726 games, 19.4mpg, 2.5ppg, 4.5rpg, 1.6bpg, 2.9 fouls per game.
Gana: 12 seasons, 601 games, 14.0mpg, 2.0ppg, 3.7rpg, 1.0bpg, 2.0 fouls per game

Per36 it's:
Jones: 4.7ppg, 8.3rpg, 2.9bpg, 5.3 fouls per game.
Gana: 5.1ppg, 9.5rpg, 2.7bpg, 5.2 fouls per game.

Both played the same role of a defensive anchor during their primes. The only difference is that an old Charles Jones was on the '95 Rockets and gave them valuable minutes by defending Shaq while Hakeem was resting. He did a great job for someone who was near 40. Meanwhile, Gana could have been the defensive backbone to the 2006 NBA champions (think for a second how crazy that sounds) if it wasn't for the shady refereeing. So in the end Jones wins this argument only because of Stern's conspiracy to keep Diop down. Not enough people talk about this but me and Sachmo will start raising awareness once he retires and is unfairly kept out of the Hall of Fame because the refs cost him a ring.