We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II

[Liver_Pooty]

Aww come on. That's like me saying I can do everything Zeller do except the dunks and fall on my back every contested layup.

Lance is working hard to get back where he was. I just hope he find some confidence and consistency in his 3pter because that'll go a long way. He's gonna still be that idiot that showboat and turn the ball over but if he can shoot decent then I say we pick up his 2016 option easily.

I think he can get his shooting back up to where it was at indy, that's not a problem. Him and Walker Co existing in the back court is the problem

If he get his shooting back up to contract year in Indy Lance then Kemba and him shouldn't have much of a problem coexisting.

You and I both know Lance still needs the ball to be effective regardless of his shooting. He sucks off the ball. Him and Walker both do. That's am issue, and I hope it gets figured out in training camp.

[Braggins]

Aww come on. That's like me saying I can do everything Zeller do except the dunks and fall on my back every contested layup.

Lance is working hard to get back where he was. I just hope he find some confidence and consistency in his 3pter because that'll go a long way. He's gonna still be that idiot that showboat and turn the ball over but if he can shoot decent then I say we pick up his 2016 option easily.

I think he can get his shooting back up to where it was at indy, that's not a problem. Him and Walker Co existing in the back court is the problem

If he get his shooting back up to contract year in Indy Lance then Kemba and him shouldn't have much of a problem coexisting.

Especially if we stop wasting a third of the shot clock posting Al every possession.

[Eoghan]

Lance could shoot 40% from three and still not fit well with Kemba. I understand that folks want it to work out, but the odds are strongly against it at this point.

What annoys me the most is whether that's a Kemba problem or a Lance problem.

[catsfan]

Lance could shoot 40% from three and still not fit well with Kemba. I understand that folks want it to work out, but the odds are strongly against it at this point.

What annoys me the most is whether that's a Kemba problem or a Lance problem.

both

[Braggins]

I'm probably the only one who thinks they can potentially play fairly well together.

[BuzzCat]

Kemba and Lance have the same play style with the same exact weakness. I dont see it working

[Braggins]

Its far from ideal but I don't think there is any reason it has to be a catastrophe. We play a style that directly counters both their strengths and exacerbates both their weaknesses. That is a bigger problem than anything in my opinion (slightly above Lance shooting 17% from 3, but I think those two things are at least partially related). Staggering the rotation would also help alleviate the overlapping nature of their game, but staggering rotations is far to complex for our coach to have figured out in his 30 or so years of coaching experience. Maybe next season? Also, off-ball movement is something that can be taught. Kemba, at least, isn't an idiot. If someone is actively trying to teach him to be better without the ball he should be able to improve in that area.

[yosemiteben]

I agree Lance's shooting was the real problem last season. It would completely change the dynamics of our team if he had to be guarded on the perimeter.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Oh, logically that's theoretically possible I guess Braggins, but the reality is that it's unlikely. A trade would be far better for both Lance and the team IMHO.

And, being realistic, even with a better offensive coach and Kemba trying to change his game a bit to work with Lance, it still wouldn't be an ideal pairing. Some guys just aren't meant to play together. I think that if Lance stays it will have to be as a 6th man, and that's not the role he wants. He got out of Indy on a short contract expecting that he could have a huge payday after a short stint here. 6th men usually don't get paid like starters. He could write off last year in a way that he can't this year.

[LofJ]

Ginobli is a sixth man because he and Parker overlap too much. It's not like Lance is under contract for 3 more years either, it's worth a shot seeing what we can do with Lance as our sixth man. Hopefully Clifford and the team will watch a lot of film on the Spurs because that's who we should mold our offense after.

Kemba=Parker
MKG=Kawhi
Biyombo=Splitter
Vonleh/Zeller/Al=Duncan
Lance=Ginobli
Hairston/Daniels=Green

Get in the film room guys.

[Rusted]

My prediction on Lance:

We trade him in a terrible deal, just to get rid of him...and either give up way to much or end up with garbage in return.

Then (on a team with a coach that uses players to their strengths) we watch as Lance finishes the season in contention for both comeback player of the year and 6th man of the year.

[Braggins]

Oh, logically that's theoretically possible I guess Braggins, but the reality is that it's unlikely. A trade would be far better for both Lance and the team IMHO.

And, being realistic, even with a better offensive coach and Kemba trying to change his game a bit to work with Lance, it still wouldn't be an ideal pairing. Some guys just aren't meant to play together. I think that if Lance stays it will have to be as a 6th man, and that's not the role he wants. He got out of Indy on a short contract expecting that he could have a huge payday after a short stint here. 6th men usually don't get paid like starters. He could write off last year in a way that he can't this year.

I'm fine with trading him if we aren't losing value, but if we don't trade him I don't think there is any reason we shouldn't be able to utilize him effectively. He seems ok with being the 6h man and he has to try to make this situation work or he is missing out on tons of money next season. He fits perfectly fine with the potential lineups we could use as our second unit. Mo, Pj/Daniels, Lance, Vonleh, Biz, seems like it could be a very solid second unit. That is without taking our draft pick into account, who will probably be a shooter and could potentially provide even more spacing for him. He needs to get his 3pt shot around 30% and get back into Indy form on defense, though.

[fatlever]

Ginobli is a sixth man because he and Parker overlap too much. It's not like Lance is under contract for 3 more years either, it's worth a shot seeing what we can do with Lance as our sixth man. Hopefully Clifford and the team will watch a lot of film on the Spurs because that's who we should mold our offense after.

Kemba=Parker
MKG=Kawhi
Biyombo=Splitter
Vonleh/Zeller/Al=Duncan
Lance=Ginobli
Hairston/Daniels=Green

Get in the film room guys.

Our guys are all like homeless versions of those Spurs players.

[Eoghan]

Lance could shoot 40% from three and still not fit well with Kemba. I understand that folks want it to work out, but the odds are strongly against it at this point.

What annoys me the most is whether that's a Kemba problem or a Lance problem.

both

Probably but at the same time, Lance played off the ball fairly well at Indiana and Kemba hasn't coexisted well with practically any SG he's shared the back court with. I mean, Hendo has held the starting job simply b/c he plays defense and doesn't mind touching the ball as long as he gets his 5-6 Hobe shots up.

[gipper08]

Celtics will give you Gerald Wallace and Pick #16 for Lance and Pick #9.....Do you take it ?

Lol. Sure, if this was 2008.

2008 Lance is WAY better than 2015 Lance...and the #1 player in the country...

[HornetJail]

I'm probably the only one who thinks they can potentially play fairly well together.

If we had other shooters around them and they made improvements, then yeah I think they could work

[gipper08]

I think he can get his shooting back up to where it was at indy, that's not a problem. Him and Walker Co existing in the back court is the problem

If he get his shooting back up to contract year in Indy Lance then Kemba and him shouldn't have much of a problem coexisting.

You and I both know Lance still needs the ball to be effective regardless of his shooting. He sucks off the ball. Him and Walker both do. That's am issue, and I hope it gets figured out in training camp.

Lance was a top 15 off the ball player in the whole league off the ball in Indiana. He got like three baskets a game running the the baseline. I don't think I saw any Hornet in 60 games really run the baseline. Lance primarily played off the ball in Indiana.

[Liver_Pooty]

Celtics will give you Gerald Wallace and Pick #16 for Lance and Pick #9.....Do you take it ?

Lol. Sure, if this was 2008.

2008 Lance is WAY better than 2015 Lance...and the #1 player in the country...

And prime Gerald Wallace was better than '08 and '15 Lance combined

[Braggins]

What annoys me the most is whether that's a Kemba problem or a Lance problem.

both

Probably but at the same time, Lance played off the ball fairly well at Indiana and Kemba hasn't coexisted well with practically any SG he's shared the back court with. I mean, Hendo has held the starting job simply b/c he plays defense and doesn't mind touching the ball as long as he gets his 5-6 Hobe shots up.

For what its worth, Kemba and Hendo kind of balled out in the Dunlap year. They were a top 5 scoring backcourt. I dont remember the exact rank but it was 3-5.

[yosemiteben]

For what its worth, Kemba and Hendo kind of balled out in the Dunlap year. They were a top 5 scoring backcourt. I dont remember the exact rank but it was 3-5.

Yeah I don't think the stats will support that, or else our offensive efficiency wouldn't have been 27th in the league that year.