Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[HornetJail]

I would only trade for Smith if we're trading next to nothing to get him and trading away Marvin Williams in the process, something that isn't possible till December anyway.

[BeesWax]

I would only trade for Smith if we're trading next to nothing to get him and trading away Marvin Williams in the process, something that isn't possible till December anyway.

I don't know that they contain a piece I would value enough to take on Smith's contract. I assume Drummond and their unprotected pick are both off the table in the deal so there is no incentive for me to take on that terrible deal.

[HornetJail]

I would only trade for Smith if we're trading next to nothing to get him and trading away Marvin Williams in the process, something that isn't possible till December anyway.

I don't know that they contain a piece I would value enough to take on Smith's contract. I assume Drummond and their unprotected pick are both off the table in the deal so there is no incentive for me to take on that terrible deal.

If Clifford can get through to him and gets Smith to play closer to the basket, where he's most effective, then would you still not take him for flat out expiring deals and Marvin Williams? I don't think we should be looking at 2016 as our big FA splash year. 2017 would be my goal- Steph, Derozan, Griffin, Westbrook, CP3, Iguodala, Chandler Parsons, Derrick Rose, Dwight Howard, Serge Ibaka... they all can become FAs that year. Lance comes off the books then. If we re-sign Al to another two-year contract (perfect length for him even if we overpay IMO), then he comes off at age 32 that year as well. I think we have a real chance at Steph and I think a lot of teams are going to grossly overspend in 2016, so less teams will have cap in 2017. Smith comes off in 2017, so his contract really isn't an enormous turn-off to me.

[BeesWax]

I would only trade for Smith if we're trading next to nothing to get him and trading away Marvin Williams in the process, something that isn't possible till December anyway.

I don't know that they contain a piece I would value enough to take on Smith's contract. I assume Drummond and their unprotected pick are both off the table in the deal so there is no incentive for me to take on that terrible deal.

If Clifford can get through to him and gets Smith to play closer to the basket, where he's most effective, then would you still not take him for flat out expiring deals and Marvin Williams? I don't think we should be looking at 2016 as our big FA splash year. 2017 would be my goal- Steph, Derozan, Griffin, Westbrook, CP3, Iguodala, Chandler Parsons, Derrick Rose, Dwight Howard, Serge Ibaka... they all can become FAs that year. Lance comes off the books then. If we re-sign Al to another two-year contract (perfect length for him even if we overpay IMO), then he comes off at age 32 that year as well. I think we have a real chance at Steph and I think a lot of teams are going to grossly overspend in 2016, so less teams will have cap in 2017. Smith comes off in 2017, so his contract really isn't an enormous turn-off to me.

Yeah sure why not. Also if Zeller can learn to shoot 3s at a 50% clip he could be an all star. How many coaches do you think have preached to Smith about not shooting so much from outside, yet there he is drifting around the perimeter. What we should do is keep cap room clean for 2016 and if we miss just sign some guys to large 1 year deals and shoot again in 2017. Why waste any shot you have in 2016 for a guy who we now can shoot yet will try anyway. He is a toxic contract and they don't have the pieces they would be willing to trade to move him.

[BobsBuddy]

Trade Checker 6506816 Neal and Taylor for Muhhamad and Turiaf.
Wolves are now loaded at 4 and Muhhamad has not worked out. Neal and JT at 3 help them NOW in the West.
We get Backup Center and project at 3 with upside if MKG doesn't work out.

[JDR720]

I would do that trade

[LofJ]

The only trade I want us to make at this point is for a bruiser at power forward. Brandon Bass is the guy I want, but we don't have the right pieces to make a trade unfortunately. Gary Neal makes too little and outside of him and Taylor we don't have any other expiring pieces to include in a trade. Henderson could fit if he made it clear he's going to decline his option, but I doubt he does that unless the team we trade him to actually wants to sign him to another contract. Our options are pretty limited.

[JDR720]

Im not expecting us to trade for anyone, if we get another big it'll either be a FA or a D-League guy

[Eoghan]

i actually think that deal is atrocious for the Hornets, I'm not a Josh Smith hater; but you're sending the 9th pick out (who is cost controlled), and great bench players for Jeff Green (who you will have to overpay to keep) and an already overpaid Josh Smith.

Would it be any better if the Hornets kept MKG and sent some 'trash' to make the salaries work?
So essentially Vonleh and Henderson for Green, Smith and two first round picks?

Nah, your original trade is pretty nice for Charlotte. I could easily see Charlotte doing this. The fans don't like it b/c Vonleh is their next shiny, great hope but there is no denying that Walker, Lance, Green, Smith, and Al is a formidable, win-now team, while keeping most of your young core (MKG, Biz, Hairston, I guess Zeller). The front office is win-now as it gets, if they weren't they wouldn't have signed Al and Lance.

[HornetJail]

:D Trade Checker 6506816 Neal and Taylor for Muhhamad and Turiaf.
Wolves are now loaded at 4 and Muhhamad has not worked out. Neal and JT at 3 help them NOW in the West.
We get Backup Center and project at 3 with upside if MKG doesn't work out.

Hell yes.

Too bad Minnesota wouldn't touch that trade with a 10 foot pole.

[yosemiteben]

The front office is win-now as it gets, if they weren't they wouldn't have signed Al and Lance.

We're as win now as any FO is that isn't tanking.

How is Lance a win now move - he's young and we got him on a non-prohibitive contract. He fits our needs about as well as any player possibly could.

At what point are willing to give up your crusade against Al?

[Liver_Pooty]

The front office is win-now as it gets, if they weren't they wouldn't have signed Al and Lance.

We're as win now as any FO is that isn't tanking.

How is Lance a win now move - he's young and we got him on a non-prohibitive contract. He fits our needs about as well as any player possibly could.

At what point are willing to give up your crusade against Al?

Indeed. Lance hasn't even hit his prime yet.

[BeesWax]

i actually think that deal is atrocious for the Hornets, I'm not a Josh Smith hater; but you're sending the 9th pick out (who is cost controlled), and great bench players for Jeff Green (who you will have to overpay to keep) and an already overpaid Josh Smith.

Would it be any better if the Hornets kept MKG and sent some 'trash' to make the salaries work?
So essentially Vonleh and Henderson for Green, Smith and two first round picks?

Nah, your original trade is pretty nice for Charlotte. I could easily see Charlotte doing this. The fans don't like it b/c Vonleh is their next shiny, great hope but there is no denying that Walker, Lance, Green, Smith, and Al is a formidable, win-now team, while keeping most of your young core (MKG, Biz, Hairston, I guess Zeller). The front office is win-now as it gets, if they weren't they wouldn't have signed Al and Lance.

That trade is horrible and not even a win now trade. It would take at least a season for a team to come together when you add that many pieces. Also Cliffords system seems to require thought so I am not sure Smith could ever pick it up. We are a better win now team before that trade than we are after it. Also why in the world would we be sending assets out to absorb a terrible contract and only get one mediocre player in the deal?

[BeesWax]

I come in peace guys- Celtics fan. Saw some of the Josh Smith discussion here and thought I'd post a trade I saw on a Celtics forum. We've had similar discussions over the years, particularly since the rumor came out in 2012 that Danny Ainge tried to trade Pierce for Smith with ATL.
The hard part with Smith is getting him to take high % shots around the rim. When he did that in Atlanta he was an efficient offensive player, and then he fell in love with the 16 foot jumpshot ugh. Defensively though, he'd be a nice complement to Big Al in the form of a rim protecting PF. As he gets older and wiser (hopefully), he MAY be able to be coached to stay around the rim on offense.
Anyway, just throwing this out there to gauge reaction from Charlotte fans. As usual with Mr Smith, it's often love or hate.
Only questionable part is getting salaries outgoing from Charlotte to match- they would probably have to gain a trade exception somehow.

Charlotte gets:
*Jeff Green (expiring)
*Josh Smith
*Clippers pick (owned by Celtics)
*Detroit 2015 first round pick
*trade exception from Celtics via Courtney Lee trade ($4 million)

Detroit gets:
*Rondo (expiring)
*Bass (expiring)


Celtics get:
*Vonleh
*Gerld Henderson
*Gary Neal
*Jonas Jerebko


Why?

Detroit: moves Josh Smith with Monroe back, and gets Rondo for a season to play with Drummond+Monroe. Jennings is an expensive 6th man or SG but you're moving Smith out of the crowded front court cheaply.

Charlotte: gets rim protecting power forward and scorer in Smith. They've now got 5 very solid players and are a legitimate playoff threat with their main guys signed long term. Very strong defensively.
Green is nice upgrade and they are almost like a non superstar Detroit Pistons championship team with 4 very strong 'almost All Star' level guys. Ultimately they'd hope that Lance takes the All Star step which he may well do.

Celtics: get some value back for Rondo and Green before they hit the open market, and get a very good piece in Vonleh. C's fans don't really want Henderson but we'd need someone to make salaries work.
Or would you just stay away from Smith altogether and Vonleh is untouchable?
Green is expiring, but your starting line up of:

Walker
Lance
Green
Smith
Big AL

is pretty nasty, particularly if you can get Smith to take more high percentage shots. He also makes your defense one of the best in the league (even next to Big AL) doesn't he?
You're essentially sending out Vonleh and Henderson for Green, Smith and two first round picks. Would adding James Young be sweet enough or is Vonleh untouchable?

This trade is bad because we have to absorb one of the worst contracts right now in the NBA and we get the privilege of giving up and asset to do it. The most potential in this trade is Vonleh and it isn't even close. We get Green who is fine but not really worth anything of value and Smith who is a negative. In order to take on that contract of Smith we would need stuff coming to us not going out.

[MasterIchiro]

Hey look, the last time we traded for an overrated player on a longterm contract no team in the NBA wanted we ended up with Noah Vonleh so it would only make sense to forfeit our gains from that obviously lopsided deal and rightfully return Noah Vonleh for an overrated player(s) on a longterm contract no team in the NBA wants.

[TheKingofSting]

No way I would help Detroit period.

[Eoghan]

The front office is win-now as it gets, if they weren't they wouldn't have signed Al and Lance.

We're as win now as any FO is that isn't tanking.

How is Lance a win now move - he's young and we got him on a non-prohibitive contract. He fits our needs about as well as any player possibly could.

At what point are willing to give up your crusade against Al?

He's crazy and on a short-term contract. If Charlotte really liked him and thought he was about to hit his stride they would have thrown more years at him. What does my crusade against Al have anything to do with my post, you're reading negativity that isn't there.

Smith (athletic defender) and Green (glue guy, decent shooter 6th man type) fill way more needs for Charlotte than another project big from Indiana does. The Smith hate on this board is too strong, he was closer to being an All-Star than anybody on our roster before the epic fail year in Detroit.

[Liver_Pooty]

The front office is win-now as it gets, if they weren't they wouldn't have signed Al and Lance.

We're as win now as any FO is that isn't tanking.

How is Lance a win now move - he's young and we got him on a non-prohibitive contract. He fits our needs about as well as any player possibly could.

At what point are willing to give up your crusade against Al?

He's crazy and on a short-term contract. If Charlotte really liked him and thought he was about to hit his stride they would have thrown more years at him. What does my crusade against Al have anything to do with my post, you're reading negativity that isn't there.

Smith (athletic defender) and Green (glue guy, decent shooter 6th man type) fill way more needs for Charlotte than another project big from Indiana does. The Smith hate on this board is too strong, he was closer to being an All-Star than anybody on our roster before the epic fail year in Detroit.

Its not necessarily about throwing more years at Lance. Hell, Indiana threw 5/44 at him. Years do not matter. 9/27 with a TEAM option at the end of that deal is just incredible. He could be a huge headache and still be more productive than Henderson ever thought about being, and hes still only 23. Hell, hes younger than Kemba is. Its an amazing contract. Him and his agent must have a ton of confidence in his skills to agree with us over Indianas deal. Thats for sure.

[Liver_Pooty]

We're as win now as any FO is that isn't tanking.

How is Lance a win now move - he's young and we got him on a non-prohibitive contract. He fits our needs about as well as any player possibly could.

At what point are willing to give up your crusade against Al?

He's crazy and on a short-term contract. If Charlotte really liked him and thought he was about to hit his stride they would have thrown more years at him. What does my crusade against Al have anything to do with my post, you're reading negativity that isn't there.

Smith (athletic defender) and Green (glue guy, decent shooter 6th man type) fill way more needs for Charlotte than another project big from Indiana does. The Smith hate on this board is too strong, he was closer to being an All-Star than anybody on our roster before the epic fail year in Detroit.

Its not necessarily about throwing more years at Lance. Hell, Indiana threw 5/44 at him. Years do not matter. 9/27 with a TEAM option at the end of that deal is just incredible. He could be a huge headache and still be more productive than Henderson ever thought about being, and hes still only 23. Hell, hes younger than Kemba is. Its an amazing contract. Him and his agent must have a ton of confidence in his skills to agree with us over Indianas deal. Thats for sure.

Edit: I like Josh Smith, alot. But his contract is just insane, and practically ludicrous at this point. I actually find it kind of funny that you would ever be willing to trade for Josh Smith and his contract, but was against Jefferson and what he got paid. Compare the two..

[yosemiteben]

The front office is win-now as it gets, if they weren't they wouldn't have signed Al and Lance.

We're as win now as any FO is that isn't tanking.

How is Lance a win now move - he's young and we got him on a non-prohibitive contract. He fits our needs about as well as any player possibly could.

At what point are willing to give up your crusade against Al?

He's crazy and on a short-term contract. If Charlotte really liked him and thought he was about to hit his stride they would have thrown more years at him. What does my crusade against Al have anything to do with my post, you're reading negativity that isn't there.

Smith (athletic defender) and Green (glue guy, decent shooter 6th man type) fill way more needs for Charlotte than another project big from Indiana does. The Smith hate on this board is too strong, he was closer to being an All-Star than anybody on our roster before the epic fail year in Detroit.

I don't understand how picking up Josh Smith with his massive contract would be less of a win now move than picking up a much younger, much higher potential Lance on a much less expensive contract.

By your logic, would it have been less of a win now move if it was a bigger connect for more years?