Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[bws94]

What did you guys think of the Kobe foul on Lin? I thought it could have easily been a flagrant but of course they're not going to call that on Kobe right now and Lin took it in stride.

That was way out of line, IMO. Easily a flagrant 2.

Hit Lin in the face. But I don't think it is a 2 unless the player is injured? Kobe's hardly going to get a 2 on his last game in Charlotte, here's where the refs bend the rules.

[bigbob]

so far I think this is a good team for lin, he's in a good place, surrounded by great players. Its a shame though, cliff doesn't let lin play his game on days kemba/batuum struggle. If they come to some understanding about that then I don't mind if lin decides to stay. Otherwise, lin should look for a starting PG spot on a different team, in my opinion. Lin has alot of talent, and its wasted if he will be a backup PG for the rest of his career. The lakers last season had an excellent record against the warriors, gave them fits actually with 1 win / 2 losses (one of them down to the wire close), and a big reason for this was lin (taking the opponents plays apart defensively, giving his team mates easy open shots). Either way, he still has faults that need to be worked on and improved but I feel he has made progress. By the end of this season, we should figure out where lin is and where he's headed, either a backup pg OR if hes good enough to be a starter.

[phillycheese]

What did you guys think of the Kobe foul on Lin? I thought it could have easily been a flagrant but of course they're not going to call that on Kobe right now and Lin took it in stride.

Kobe's incredulous looking at the ref like, "but his head fouled my arm".

[phillycheese]

It's pretty telling when Kobe got trapped by two Hornets in the corner in the 4th, got knocked down and the only guy that would help him up was Lin. None of the Lakers came over to pick him up.

[PG13]

What did you guys think of the Kobe foul on Lin? I thought it could have easily been a flagrant but of course they're not going to call that on Kobe right now and Lin took it in stride.

They should have at least pretended to review it. Maybe the refs didn't see it from their angle.

[bws94]

so far I think this is a good team for lin, he's in a good place, surrounded by great players. Its a shame though, cliff doesn't let lin play his game on days kemba/batuum struggle. If they come to some understanding about that then I don't mind if lin decides to stay. Otherwise, lin should look for a starting PG spot on a different team, in my opinion. Lin has alot of talent, and its wasted if he will be a backup PG for the rest of his career. The lakers last season had an excellent record against the warriors, gave them fits actually with 1 win / 2 losses (one of them down to the wire close), and a big reason for this was lin (taking the opponents plays apart defensively, giving his team mates easy open shots). Either way, he still has faults that need to be worked on and improved but I feel he has made progress. By the end of this season, we should figure out where lin is and where he's headed, either a backup pg OR if hes good enough to be a starter.

How good a player is isn't determined on if he is a starter or not. Lin may be used as a 2nd unit PG and main unit SG due to how he plays the game. And if Lin wants to be on a winner, that may be how he gets there. Most important thing much more than starting is closing. If he is trusted to close on this team or whatever next team he's on, starting or from the bench may not be the priority of choice for him. He is now on the Hornets. Will he be when MKG comes back? I think if he steps it up offensively and has better scoring 4th quarters with minimal TOs he can. I think he can do better than what he's doing. He's good, but he can be better.

[BatumtheGlue]

The best case for Lin is to be a "Ginobili" wherever he plays years ahead. Just like what bws94 has said, IMO to close the game is better than to start the game. IF he keep improving every aspect of his game, he will be a key role player in a contender team and that's not bad at all. I like this guy and i wish he stays as a hornet for years to come.

[Roy Tarpley]

My complaints earlier in the year were for Lin to get more minutes. Now I think he's getting the right amount of minutes to be helpful. Now I wish he'd be a little more aggressive and less deferential. If PJ is the irrational confidence guy, Lin is the irrational doubt guy. He shouldn't wait until the 4th quarter to try to turn it on like a light switch.

[fatlever]

My complaints earlier in the year were for Lin to get more minutes. Now I think he's getting the right amount of minutes to be helpful. Now I wish he'd be a little more aggressive and less deferential. If PJ is the irrational confidence guy, Lin is the irrational doubt guy. He shouldn't wait until the 4th quarter to try to turn it on like a light switch.

There was a strange sequence at the end of the 3rd quarter that illustrates what you are saying. Lin had the ball with about 5 seconds left in the quarter and for some reason, he just froze, passed the ball back to Kemba who was several feet behind the 3pt line. Kemba was forced into taking a long 3pter at the buzzer.

I only watched that play live, so maybe it wasn't quite as I remember.

[Roy Tarpley]

My complaints earlier in the year were for Lin to get more minutes. Now I think he's getting the right amount of minutes to be helpful. Now I wish he'd be a little more aggressive and less deferential. If PJ is the irrational confidence guy, Lin is the irrational doubt guy. He shouldn't wait until the 4th quarter to try to turn it on like a light switch.

There was a strange sequence at the end of the 3rd quarter that illustrates what you are saying. Lin had the ball with about 5 seconds left in the quarter and for some reason, he just froze, passed the ball back to Kemba who was several feet behind the 3pt line. Kemba was forced into taking a long 3pter at the buzzer.

I only watched that play live, so maybe it wasn't quite as I remember.

Yeah, there's plenty of those moments. At the end of regulation in the Raptors game, when Lin went for 35, Lin had the ball but he seemed torn about what to do with it. On one hand, he was having a great game and it would've been appropriate for him to just take the last shot. On the other hand, he seemed to recognize that Kemba should take game winners. So he gave it to Kemba, and Kemba didn't even get off a good shot and the game went into overtime.

I think the team offense would flow better if people took shots that naturally came to them. It's hard to complain about PJ's shots because he often just takes the open shots that come to him. Batum plays in the flow. Kemba sometimes goes into hero mode and you know he's going to shoot it 5 secs before he does. Conversely, Lin goes into "feed the ball" mode where you know he's looking to pass it even before an open teammate even emerges.

[bws94]

^Roy, yes. Good post.

[renmei]

Charlotte Hornets PR ‏@HornetsPR 2h2 hours ago
Clifford tells media today that @hornets Batum (toe) and Lin (ankle) did not practice today.

Charlotte Hornets PR ‏@HornetsPR 2h2 hours ago
INJURY REPORT: @hornets vs LAC:
QUESTIONABLE:
Nic Batum - R 2nd Toe Sprain
Spencer Hawes - Low Back Tightness
Jeremy Lin - R Ankle Sprian

I hope Lin sits the LAC game out to heal fully.

[bws94]

I think Batum and Lin plays, not sure about Spence. They may not play to their usual level or their usual minutes but I think they both will be probable soon and likely play tomorrow. Lin played on a sprained ankle in an earlier game and did as best as he could. The toe sprain could be more serious but if he is cleared to play, Batum will give it a go.

[PG13]

There was a strange sequence at the end of the 3rd quarter that illustrates what you are saying. Lin had the ball with about 5 seconds left in the quarter and for some reason, he just froze, passed the ball back to Kemba who was several feet behind the 3pt line. Kemba was forced into taking a long 3pter at the buzzer.

I remember that too. At the time I thought maybe because Kemba was having the hot hands.

Clifford said today that Lin hurt his ankle in the 3Q. Maybe he felt a pain and decided that Kemba had a better chance of making the shot? I think Lin missed all his shots after that.

[KungFuJoe]

My complaints earlier in the year were for Lin to get more minutes. Now I think he's getting the right amount of minutes to be helpful. Now I wish he'd be a little more aggressive and less deferential. If PJ is the irrational confidence guy, Lin is the irrational doubt guy. He shouldn't wait until the 4th quarter to try to turn it on like a light switch.

There was a strange sequence at the end of the 3rd quarter that illustrates what you are saying. Lin had the ball with about 5 seconds left in the quarter and for some reason, he just froze, passed the ball back to Kemba who was several feet behind the 3pt line. Kemba was forced into taking a long 3pter at the buzzer.

I only watched that play live, so maybe it wasn't quite as I remember.

To me, it seemed like Lin wanted to keep feeding Kemba, who was on fire. That's one thing I like about Lin...he enjoys passing about as much as he enjoys scoring.

[KungFuJoe]

I like Lin...he's my favorite player and I've been watching him closely ever since Linsanity exploded onto the scene.

That being said, he'll never be a starting PG or even a good PG until he cleans up his handles. And, as much as I hate to say this, I don't know if that will ever happen at this stage.

Lin is extremely lucky that the game is favoring smaller lineups and that he has the size to play the 2 now that his defense is a LOT more solid.

In fact, I think the reason why he plays more minutes and closes out games is because his defense is actually very good. He almost never gets scored on. He had one bad sequence against the Lakers where he got beat back door by Russell for a layup but those don't happen very often. I think he's always had potential for being a good/great defender but it seems Clifford has really brought it out of him.

[bws94]

There was a strange sequence a

t the end of the 3rd quarter that illustrates what you are saying. Lin had the ball with about 5 seconds left in the quarter and for some reason, he just froze, passed the ball back to Kemba who was several feet behind the 3pt line. Kemba was forced into taking a long 3pter at the buzzer.

I remember that too. At the time I thought maybe because Kemba was having the hot hands.

Clifford said today that Lin hurt his ankle in the 3Q. Maybe he felt a pain and decided that Kemba had a better chance of making the shot? I think Lin missed all his shots after that.

Yes, he got injured and it affected his mobility and maybe lift on his shots.

Both Lin and Batum are questionable. Both. The way I see it Kemba, Lin and Batum are each other's backups. If Lin can't go, more time for Kemba and Batum, maybe more time for Lamb. If Batum can't go, lots of time for Lin. If Kemba can't go the same thing. So now 2 big guys are out of the lineup potentially at the same time who are each other's backups.

[phillycheese]

My complaints earlier in the year were for Lin to get more minutes. Now I think he's getting the right amount of minutes to be helpful. Now I wish he'd be a little more aggressive and less deferential. If PJ is the irrational confidence guy, Lin is the irrational doubt guy. He shouldn't wait until the 4th quarter to try to turn it on like a light switch.

There was a strange sequence at the end of the 3rd quarter that illustrates what you are saying. Lin had the ball with about 5 seconds left in the quarter and for some reason, he just froze, passed the ball back to Kemba who was several feet behind the 3pt line. Kemba was forced into taking a long 3pter at the buzzer.

I only watched that play live, so maybe it wasn't quite as I remember.

It looked like his ankle was bothering him from the Hibbert foul on the And1. He looked very gingerly dribbing the ball to me late in the game. A lot of credit has to go to Cliff's defense for masking Lin's weaknesses. For example when he leaves his man to held double another player helps on Lin's man. The team is playing on a string, and even without an elite shot blocker they manage to clog enough of the paint to make it difficult. The problem with their D is that it is energy reliant and that is why you see it more in the 4th quarter. It is hard to sustain for all four quarters.

[dznutzz]

It's pretty telling when Kobe got trapped by two Hornets in the corner in the 4th, got knocked down and the only guy that would help him up was Lin. None of the Lakers came over to pick him up.

ya you can tell kobe's teammates didn't appreciate his green light at the crucial moment of the game. tbh jeremy should've "accidentally" trip over kobe's head

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7YrVBXE-mI[/youtube]

[fatlever]

Another angle of that play? Dirty? or Accidental?