2023 NBA Draft Thread

[JMAC3]

I think they'll seriously regret passing on Scoot. Miller was one of my favorite prospects this season and I watched a lot of his games. I don't think Miller is going to be disappointing as a player, but there is a clear difference between him and Scoot imo.

Scoot is an elite athlete with elite intangibles, high skill level, and high IQ/feel. He averaged roughly 21/6/8 per75 on 55% playing against better competition than any of the NCAA guys (his production wasn't mediocre, it was straight up good). He had a 2/1 assist/tov ratio as a 19 year old lead guard for a disadvantaged team going against borderline NBA players. He had the best high end flashes of anyone besides Wemby.

Physical freaks with advanced skillsets and IQ at age 19 are pretty much the exact type of prospects you want these high draft picks for. I think it will be apparent pretty quickly who the better prospect is once people see them both playing against the same level of competition. I think Scoot will immediately completely change the trajectory of the team.

Jaden Ivey is bigger than Scoot and probably just as explosive and he went 5 last year. Are you taking him #1 in a redraft?
Jalen Green is the most athletic guy taken in the top 6 of his draft, not sure people are running to podium to draft him that high again.
Dennis Smith Jr was being billed as the next Dame and people were surprised he fell and didn't work out.

Plenty of folks were banging the drum that Ivey should be #1 pick last year

[yasuhara2241]

I think they'll seriously regret passing on Scoot. Miller was one of my favorite prospects this season and I watched a lot of his games. I don't think Miller is going to be disappointing as a player, but there is a clear difference between him and Scoot imo.

Scoot is an elite athlete with elite intangibles, high skill level, and high IQ/feel. He averaged roughly 21/6/8 per75 on 55% playing against better competition than any of the NCAA guys (his production wasn't mediocre, it was straight up good). He had a 2/1 assist/tov ratio as a 19 year old lead guard for a disadvantaged team going against borderline NBA players. He had the best high end flashes of anyone besides Wemby.

Physical freaks with advanced skillsets and IQ at age 19 are pretty much the exact type of prospects you want these high draft picks for. I think it will be apparent pretty quickly who the better prospect is once people see them both playing against the same level of competition. I think Scoot will immediately completely change the trajectory of the team.

Jaden Ivey is bigger than Scoot and probably just as explosive and he went 5 last year. Are you taking him #1 in a redraft?
Jalen Green is the most athletic guy taken in the top 6 of his draft, not sure people are running to podium to draft him that high again.
Dennis Smith Jr was being billed as the next Dame and people were surprised he fell and didn't work out.

Plenty of folks were banging the drum that Ivey should be #1 pick last year

So you see Jaden Ivey as a better prospect than Scoot after his 1 yr of college or just as good as a prospect? Based on what exactly? Jaden was playing against college players and went to Purdue. Scoot was playing against grown men. Stats are going to be different. Yes Jaden is 2 inches taller with the same wingspan as Scoot and had a pretty good rookie campaign. Jalen Green played exclusively as a SG but IMO you can't compare the mentality from Green and Scoot. DSJ didn't work out as a star no question but all players of all types don't work. Not sure about these comparisons though

[JMAC3]

I think they'll seriously regret passing on Scoot. Miller was one of my favorite prospects this season and I watched a lot of his games. I don't think Miller is going to be disappointing as a player, but there is a clear difference between him and Scoot imo.

Scoot is an elite athlete with elite intangibles, high skill level, and high IQ/feel. He averaged roughly 21/6/8 per75 on 55% playing against better competition than any of the NCAA guys (his production wasn't mediocre, it was straight up good). He had a 2/1 assist/tov ratio as a 19 year old lead guard for a disadvantaged team going against borderline NBA players. He had the best high end flashes of anyone besides Wemby.

Physical freaks with advanced skillsets and IQ at age 19 are pretty much the exact type of prospects you want these high draft picks for. I think it will be apparent pretty quickly who the better prospect is once people see them both playing against the same level of competition. I think Scoot will immediately completely change the trajectory of the team.

Jaden Ivey is bigger than Scoot and probably just as explosive and he went 5 last year. Are you taking him #1 in a redraft?
Jalen Green is the most athletic guy taken in the top 6 of his draft, not sure people are running to podium to draft him that high again.
Dennis Smith Jr was being billed as the next Dame and people were surprised he fell and didn't work out.

Plenty of folks were banging the drum that Ivey should be #1 pick last year

So you see Jaden Ivey as a better prospect than Scoot after his 1 yr of college or just as good as a prospect? Based on what exactly? Jaden was playing against college players and went to Purdue. Scoot was playing against grown men. Stats are going to be different. Yes Jaden is 2 inches taller with the same wingspan as Scoot and had a pretty good rookie campaign. Jalen Green played exclusively as a SG but IMO you can't compare the mentality from Green and Scoot. DSJ didn't work out as a star no question but all players of all types don't work. Not sure about these comparisons though

I am not making a point on how I feel about Ivey, just asking if that same "best athlete, best shot creator" logic applies year over year or if we are just saying that in Scoots case only?

[yasuhara2241]

Jaden Ivey is bigger than Scoot and probably just as explosive and he went 5 last year. Are you taking him #1 in a redraft?
Jalen Green is the most athletic guy taken in the top 6 of his draft, not sure people are running to podium to draft him that high again.
Dennis Smith Jr was being billed as the next Dame and people were surprised he fell and didn't work out.

Plenty of folks were banging the drum that Ivey should be #1 pick last year

So you see Jaden Ivey as a better prospect than Scoot after his 1 yr of college or just as good as a prospect? Based on what exactly? Jaden was playing against college players and went to Purdue. Scoot was playing against grown men. Stats are going to be different. Yes Jaden is 2 inches taller with the same wingspan as Scoot and had a pretty good rookie campaign. Jalen Green played exclusively as a SG but IMO you can't compare the mentality from Green and Scoot. DSJ didn't work out as a star no question but all players of all types don't work. Not sure about these comparisons though

I am not making a point on how I feel about Ivey, just asking if that same "best athlete, best shot creator" logic applies year over year or if we are just saying that in Scoots case only?

I think it is a combination of items. If someone is a hell of an athlete and shot creator it doesn't mean success but everything you hear from the guy and from those around him is a hunger to improve and you can see that just in yr 1 to yr 2 progression from the 3pt line. Intangibles is a made up word until it isn't. No clue what he will become but it is exciting to see if that can grow with Melo, Miles and Mark Williams

[MPM]

less than 30 days out -- too early to add a #2 pick poll?

[LofJ]

https://www.on3.com/news/nba-draft-college-coaches-candid-scouting-reports-on-first-round-draft-picks/

Other coaches weigh in on a lot of the prospects in this draft. High praise for Brandon Miller, Anthony Black, Cason Wallace, Gradey Dick, and a few others. Some pretty rough criticisms of Cam Whitmore, Taylor Hendricks, Jarace Walker, Brice Sensabaugh, and a few others.

[amcoolio]

I'm still leaning towards Scoot, I want to like Miller, but I think Miller's lack of athleticism or explosiveness is a real thing. There's a good chance he peaks as a Kyle Anderson player than a George/Durant player. Since we lack talent we just need to take talent not fit.

Curse of the #2 pick is alive, too. Part of me thinks maybe taking the 6/11 deal from Magic is a good solution, and try to get 2 of Dick, Wallace, Black, a twin, or George, all of which could easily be as good as Miller or Scoot

[LofJ]

I'm still leaning towards Scoot, I want to like Miller, but I think Miller's lack of athleticism or explosiveness is a real thing. There's a good chance he peaks as a Kyle Anderson player than a George/Durant player. Since we lack talent we just need to take talent not fit.

Curse of the #2 pick is alive, too. Part of me thinks maybe taking the 6/11 deal from Magic is a good solution, and try to get 2 of Dick, Wallace, Black, a twin, or George, all of which could easily be as good as Miller or Scoot

If Mitch has another player, other than Scoot or Miller, higher on his board and we can get them by trading back we should totally do that. I think Anthony Black is the 3rd best prospect in this draft (I have Miller 4th). If the Rockets would trade us Jabari Smith and the 4th pick we should really consider doing that.

[JMAC3]

I'm still leaning towards Scoot, I want to like Miller, but I think Miller's lack of athleticism or explosiveness is a real thing. There's a good chance he peaks as a Kyle Anderson player than a George/Durant player. Since we lack talent we just need to take talent not fit.

Curse of the #2 pick is alive, too. Part of me thinks maybe taking the 6/11 deal from Magic is a good solution, and try to get 2 of Dick, Wallace, Black, a twin, or George, all of which could easily be as good as Miller or Scoot

Kyle Anderson has 78 dunks in 574 career NBA games. 0.13 dunks per game
Brandon Miller had 22 in 37 games. Roughly 0.6 dunks per game.
They are nowhere close to the same level of athlete.

Tatum has 397 in 439 by far the best at 0.9 dunks per game.
Ingram has 272 in 413 games. 0.65 is pretty in line with Miller
George has 457 in 793. 0.57 is also pretty in line with Miller.
Franz has 88 in 159 games. 0.55 dunks per game.
Mikal Bridges has 191 in 392 games. 0.49 dunks per game

Miles Bridges has 318 in 291 games. 1.09 dunks per game.

Other non athletes he has been compared to
Cam Johnson has 75 in 225 games. 0.33 dunks per game.
Middleton has 129 in 684 games. 0.19 dunks per game.

And before you hit me with the college is easier junk. Guys dunks go up in NBA. Game is faster, more spacing, less dudes in the paint at all times.

Can we please agree to never bring up Kyle Anderson again. He is a bottom 3% athlete and Miller is nowhere close to that.

[KingCat]

If we never bring up the Kyle Anderson comparison, then pro Miller folks need to never bring up the PG13 comparison.

PG13 is on another level of athletics compared to Miller. Probably the same with Tatum but not quite as extreme.

[JMAC3]

If we never bring up the Kyle Anderson comparison, then pro Miller folks need to never bring up the PG13 comparison.

PG13 is on another level of athletics compared to Miller. Probably the same with Tatum but not quite as extreme.

Shocker again zero data to back up your claim.

[KingCat]

If we never bring up the Kyle Anderson comparison, then pro Miller folks need to never bring up the PG13 comparison.

PG13 is on another level of athletics compared to Miller. Probably the same with Tatum but not quite as extreme.

Shocker again zero data to back up your claim.

I think one can confidentially say PG13 is a more explosive all around athlete than Miller without having to dig through combine stats. If you truly think he is in the same level as PG13 than my god.

[JMAC3]

If we never bring up the Kyle Anderson comparison, then pro Miller folks need to never bring up the PG13 comparison.

PG13 is on another level of athletics compared to Miller. Probably the same with Tatum but not quite as extreme.

Shocker again zero data to back up your claim.

I think one can confidentially say PG13 is a more explosive all around athlete than Miller without having to dig through combine stats. If you truly think he is in the same level as PG13 than my god.

He is closer to PG than Kyle Anderson. I can promise that.

[Trey24]

from the Scoot thread

Simons = small guard / Scoot = Small guard / Williams = wing / Miller = wing / Simons < Williams / Scoot < Miller

How many of them have the best body pound for pound in the NBA with a +8 inch wingspan?

Scoot is 6'2'' with 6'9'' wingspan, that is good wingspan no doubt, but not completely unheard of.

Dame is 6'2'' with a6'8'' wingspan and young Dame had crazy bounce and a much better shooter. Poor defender despite the physical tools.
Rozier is 6'2'' with a 6'8'' wingspan and a much better outside shooter.
Schroder is 6'1 with a 6'8'' wingspan
Jordan Clarkson is 6'3 with 6'8 wingspan
Cam Payne is 6-1 with 6'7'' wingspan
DLo is 6'3 with 6'10 wingspan
Wade Baldwin was 6'2'' with 6'11 wingspan
Frank Jackson was 6'2 with 6'8 wingspan
Sexton is 6' with 6'7 wingspan
Simons 6'2 with 6'9 wingspan
Bones is 6'2 with 6'9 wingspan

Side Notes
Theo is 6'4 without shoes and 6'9 wingspan. Good for him. Didn't know he was so big.
JT Thor is 6'8.5 with no shoes and 7'3.5 wingspan.
Pj Washington has 7'2 wingspan
Miles has 6'9 wingspan
Bouknight has 6'8 wingspan

None of the players you mentioned above have the body right now that Scoot has at 19...... that plus the wingspan is tough to pass

[JMAC3]

How many of them have the best body pound for pound in the NBA with a +8 inch wingspan?

Scoot is 6'2'' with 6'9'' wingspan, that is good wingspan no doubt, but not completely unheard of.

Dame is 6'2'' with a6'8'' wingspan and young Dame had crazy bounce and a much better shooter. Poor defender despite the physical tools.
Rozier is 6'2'' with a 6'8'' wingspan and a much better outside shooter.
Schroder is 6'1 with a 6'8'' wingspan
Jordan Clarkson is 6'3 with 6'8 wingspan
Cam Payne is 6-1 with 6'7'' wingspan
DLo is 6'3 with 6'10 wingspan
Wade Baldwin was 6'2'' with 6'11 wingspan
Frank Jackson was 6'2 with 6'8 wingspan
Sexton is 6' with 6'7 wingspan
Simons 6'2 with 6'9 wingspan
Bones is 6'2 with 6'9 wingspan

Side Notes
Theo is 6'4 without shoes and 6'9 wingspan. Good for him. Didn't know he was so big.
JT Thor is 6'8.5 with no shoes and 7'3.5 wingspan.
Pj Washington has 7'2 wingspan
Miles has 6'9 wingspan
Bouknight has 6'8 wingspan

None of the players you mentioned above have the body right now that Scoot has at 19...... that plus the wingspan is tough to pass

That is fine, my main point is that having a long wingspan isn't really a shoein to be a good defender, nor is it a shoein to be considered a big player. Nobody is saying Schroeder, Bones, Simons are going to turn into good defenders because of length.

[Trey24]

Scoot is 6'2'' with 6'9'' wingspan, that is good wingspan no doubt, but not completely unheard of.

Dame is 6'2'' with a6'8'' wingspan and young Dame had crazy bounce and a much better shooter. Poor defender despite the physical tools.
Rozier is 6'2'' with a 6'8'' wingspan and a much better outside shooter.
Schroder is 6'1 with a 6'8'' wingspan
Jordan Clarkson is 6'3 with 6'8 wingspan
Cam Payne is 6-1 with 6'7'' wingspan
DLo is 6'3 with 6'10 wingspan
Wade Baldwin was 6'2'' with 6'11 wingspan
Frank Jackson was 6'2 with 6'8 wingspan
Sexton is 6' with 6'7 wingspan
Simons 6'2 with 6'9 wingspan
Bones is 6'2 with 6'9 wingspan

Side Notes
Theo is 6'4 without shoes and 6'9 wingspan. Good for him. Didn't know he was so big.
JT Thor is 6'8.5 with no shoes and 7'3.5 wingspan.
Pj Washington has 7'2 wingspan
Miles has 6'9 wingspan
Bouknight has 6'8 wingspan

None of the players you mentioned above have the body right now that Scoot has at 19...... that plus the wingspan is tough to pass

That is fine, my main point is that having a long wingspan isn't really a shoein to be a good defender, nor is it a shoein to be considered a big player. Nobody is saying Schroeder, Bones, Simons are going to turn into good defenders because of length.

Well you focused on the wingspan which is great, but that was really just a +1 to his body which was my main point. Elite NBA body and a +7 wingspan is very desirable, and he seems to have skill to back it up.

[fatlever]

less than 30 days out -- too early to add a #2 pick poll?

I think we should wait two more weeks. I think there's a lot of us that are on the fence about this decision and any intel we could get from some potential workouts or interviews might move us one way or the other.

This why we really get a good snapshot in time of what people were thinking right before the draft.

Other option, we do a poll now and run it for 2 weeks and then do another poll right before the draft and we can compare the two.

Thoughts?

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[MPM]

less than 30 days out -- too early to add a #2 pick poll?

I think we should wait two more weeks. I think there's a lot of us that are on the fence about this decision and any intel we could get from some potential workouts or interviews might move us one way or the other.

This why we really get a good snapshot in time of what people were thinking right before the draft.

Other option, we do a poll now and run it for 2 weeks and then do another poll right before the draft and we can compare the two.

Thoughts?

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Waiting a couple of weeks is A-OK here - as you say, currently on the Miller side of the fence but in Hornets world no shocker if authorities find his meth lab between now and draft day.

[Braggins]

Based on social media it seems like basically every fanbase in the league thinks their team is in play to trade for Scoot right now.

[KingCat]

Based on social media it seems like basically every fanbase in the league thinks their team is in play to trade for Scoot right now.

Feeling like a repeat of 2012 where a bunch of historically good drafting teams were like "let's try to trade for pic two to get Beal" and we were like "Let's get MKG!"