Fake Trade Thread #5

[Snidely FC]

Checking in from ORL on Terry...

what's his price? I'm well aware of his shortcomings and his strengths and I think he might be a better fit in ORL than putting up bigger numbers in CHA. My favorite target is Simons - who is younger, longer, better 3pt shooter and, likelier to be more difficult to get away from POR. I see Rozier as a slightly lesser version for those reasons. Both are sub-par defenders by reputation. I don't really know their personalities or locker room vibe. ORL has a great young team chemistry and a beloved Coach who prioritizes defense...but HAS to see that ORL would benefit tremendously from a legit scoring threat in the backcourt who can open up the floor for Paolo & Franz to feast inside, freed from double and triple teams in the paint. ORL doesn't really need a traditional ball-pounding PG like CP3 because Paolo & Franz do a lot of the offensive initiation. Could Rozier recognize his role in a winning hierarchy and enjoy just taking what's given to him? He would see a LOT of open 3's if he's not trying to take over...does he have the BBIQ to accept that role and master it?

I'm not claiming to know anything about Rozier...the above is my theory from afar...how far off am I? What's the asking price?

Assuming he's not a jerk (that's what I'm asking)...
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Terry Rozier, Nick Richards

Why for CHA: WCJ is an extremely versatile, young, intelligent big who could start at C or play next to Williams. He's a better player than Goga but, IMO, not what ORL needs between Paolo & Franz. He can rebound, defend, shoot 3's, start or finish PnR, pass...just a heady versatile player that could fit on nearly any team. I'd love to keep him in ORL - he's on one of the best deals in the NBA - but he's also possibly our most valuable trade chip to improve our backcourt. He would also eliminate the need for Richards, who probably can't play next to Williams to the same degree. Harris is a solid vet 3&D SG. He won't take over a game, but he won't make mistakes on either end. He's also an expiring deal- so CHA could check the fit and decide what's next for him. FRP is real, but not likely to be too high in the draft.

I would probably do this deal. I don't think WCJ and Mark can play together, but at least WCJ gives us a bit of a stretch 5 look we currently lack. The first isn't great but it is whatever and you can count on it conveying from Denver. I like Harris as a guy that we could resign on a 1 year deal if things work.

Terry is a really good fit on Orlando. Can be the 2nd or 3rd option depending on what type of night Paolo/Wagner are having and being able to play defensive minded guards like Suggs and Black next to him at all times will hide his defensive failures to some degree.

I think the proposed deal is fair.

Was wondering, though, would ORL include Cole Anthony instead of Harris? WCJ+ Anthony. Hornets desperately need another PG. ORL still has Fulz, Suggs & Black with Banchero & Wagner also playmaking

[MPM]

Checking in from ORL on Terry...

what's his price? I'm well aware of his shortcomings and his strengths and I think he might be a better fit in ORL than putting up bigger numbers in CHA. My favorite target is Simons - who is younger, longer, better 3pt shooter and, likelier to be more difficult to get away from POR. I see Rozier as a slightly lesser version for those reasons. Both are sub-par defenders by reputation. I don't really know their personalities or locker room vibe. ORL has a great young team chemistry and a beloved Coach who prioritizes defense...but HAS to see that ORL would benefit tremendously from a legit scoring threat in the backcourt who can open up the floor for Paolo & Franz to feast inside, freed from double and triple teams in the paint. ORL doesn't really need a traditional ball-pounding PG like CP3 because Paolo & Franz do a lot of the offensive initiation. Could Rozier recognize his role in a winning hierarchy and enjoy just taking what's given to him? He would see a LOT of open 3's if he's not trying to take over...does he have the BBIQ to accept that role and master it?

I'm not claiming to know anything about Rozier...the above is my theory from afar...how far off am I? What's the asking price?

Assuming he's not a jerk (that's what I'm asking)...
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Terry Rozier, Nick Richards

Why for CHA: WCJ is an extremely versatile, young, intelligent big who could start at C or play next to Williams. He's a better player than Goga but, IMO, not what ORL needs between Paolo & Franz. He can rebound, defend, shoot 3's, start or finish PnR, pass...just a heady versatile player that could fit on nearly any team. I'd love to keep him in ORL - he's on one of the best deals in the NBA - but he's also possibly our most valuable trade chip to improve our backcourt. He would also eliminate the need for Richards, who probably can't play next to Williams to the same degree. Harris is a solid vet 3&D SG. He won't take over a game, but he won't make mistakes on either end. He's also an expiring deal- so CHA could check the fit and decide what's next for him. FRP is real, but not likely to be too high in the draft.

I would probably do this deal. I don't think WCJ and Mark can play together, but at least WCJ gives us a bit of a stretch 5 look we currently lack. The first isn't great but it is whatever and you can count on it conveying from Denver. I like Harris as a guy that we could resign on a 1 year deal if things work.

Terry is a really good fit on Orlando. Can be the 2nd or 3rd option depending on what type of night Paolo/Wagner are having and being able to play defensive minded guards like Suggs and Black next to him at all times will hide his defensive failures to some degree.

I think the proposed deal is fair.

Was wondering, though, would ORL include Cole Anthony instead of Harris? WCJ+ Anthony. Hornets desperately need another PG. ORL still would have Fulz, Suggs & Black with Banchero & Wagner also playmaking

If we could get WCJ and Fultz for Terry and Nick straight up, I'd be happy. Money works. Might as well add every injury prone player we can.

[Braggins]

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Terry Rozier, Nick Richards

Totally reasonable offer. I personally would probably rather get some more draft capital or a different player instead of WCJ and keep Richards tbh. WCJ is solid, but I don't think upgrading backup center is really necessary for this team.

I like Fultz as a target who fits more of a need for this team (PG who can pressure the rim and play defense). Ive also been watching a lot of Orlando games this year because I'm a huge Anthony Black fan and I think trading Fultz could also make some sense for Orlando to balance their roster. Not sure if Fultz being an expiring complicates things, though.

Something like Rozier for Fultz + 2025 DEN 1st might make more sense for Charlotte if they felt they had a decent shot at resigning Fultz.

[HornetJail]

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Terry Rozier, Nick Richards

Totally reasonable offer. I personally would probably rather get some more draft capital or a different player instead of WCJ and keep Richards tbh. WCJ is solid, but I don't think upgrading backup center is really necessary for this team.

I like Fultz as a target who fits more of a need for this team (PG who can pressure the rim and play defense). Ive also been watching a lot of Orlando games this year because I'm a huge Anthony Black fan and I think trading Fultz could also make some sense for Orlando to balance their roster. Not sure if Fultz being an expiring complicates things, though.

Something like Rozier for Fultz + 2025 DEN 1st might make more sense for Charlotte if they felt they had a decent shot at resigning Fultz.

why? we're talking about someone who has played like a third of the possible games in their career, has a completely busted three ball, and is merely competent elsewhere. Just wait till the offseason and sign him with the MLE if you actually want him as a backup. Carter's at least reasonably good when healthy.

[Skybox]

Checking in from ORL on Terry...

what's his price? I'm well aware of his shortcomings and his strengths and I think he might be a better fit in ORL than putting up bigger numbers in CHA. My favorite target is Simons - who is younger, longer, better 3pt shooter and, likelier to be more difficult to get away from POR. I see Rozier as a slightly lesser version for those reasons. Both are sub-par defenders by reputation. I don't really know their personalities or locker room vibe. ORL has a great young team chemistry and a beloved Coach who prioritizes defense...but HAS to see that ORL would benefit tremendously from a legit scoring threat in the backcourt who can open up the floor for Paolo & Franz to feast inside, freed from double and triple teams in the paint. ORL doesn't really need a traditional ball-pounding PG like CP3 because Paolo & Franz do a lot of the offensive initiation. Could Rozier recognize his role in a winning hierarchy and enjoy just taking what's given to him? He would see a LOT of open 3's if he's not trying to take over...does he have the BBIQ to accept that role and master it?

I'm not claiming to know anything about Rozier...the above is my theory from afar...how far off am I? What's the asking price?

Assuming he's not a jerk (that's what I'm asking)...
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Terry Rozier, Nick Richards

Why for CHA: WCJ is an extremely versatile, young, intelligent big who could start at C or play next to Williams. He's a better player than Goga but, IMO, not what ORL needs between Paolo & Franz. He can rebound, defend, shoot 3's, start or finish PnR, pass...just a heady versatile player that could fit on nearly any team. I'd love to keep him in ORL - he's on one of the best deals in the NBA - but he's also possibly our most valuable trade chip to improve our backcourt. He would also eliminate the need for Richards, who probably can't play next to Williams to the same degree. Harris is a solid vet 3&D SG. He won't take over a game, but he won't make mistakes on either end. He's also an expiring deal- so CHA could check the fit and decide what's next for him. FRP is real, but not likely to be too high in the draft.

I would probably do this deal. I don't think WCJ and Mark can play together, but at least WCJ gives us a bit of a stretch 5 look we currently lack. The first isn't great but it is whatever and you can count on it conveying from Denver. I like Harris as a guy that we could resign on a 1 year deal if things work.

Terry is a really good fit on Orlando. Can be the 2nd or 3rd option depending on what type of night Paolo/Wagner are having and being able to play defensive minded guards like Suggs and Black next to him at all times will hide his defensive failures to some degree.

I think the proposed deal is fair.

Was wondering, though, would ORL include Cole Anthony instead of Harris? WCJ+ Anthony. Hornets desperately need another PG. ORL still has Fulz, Suggs & Black with Banchero & Wagner also playmaking

I don't think ORL gives up Cole for this return...he's just extended on a very team friendly deal and he gets better all of the time. You can definitely have Fultz in place of WCJ or Harris...he's expiring and can't shoot...he's great with the ball, but can't assume he'll be on court...would save you some cap space if he flames out. I just look at Fultz at an expiring cap space.

[Skybox]

I would probably do this deal. I don't think WCJ and Mark can play together, but at least WCJ gives us a bit of a stretch 5 look we currently lack. The first isn't great but it is whatever and you can count on it conveying from Denver. I like Harris as a guy that we could resign on a 1 year deal if things work.

Terry is a really good fit on Orlando. Can be the 2nd or 3rd option depending on what type of night Paolo/Wagner are having and being able to play defensive minded guards like Suggs and Black next to him at all times will hide his defensive failures to some degree.

I think the proposed deal is fair.

Was wondering, though, would ORL include Cole Anthony instead of Harris? WCJ+ Anthony. Hornets desperately need another PG. ORL still would have Fulz, Suggs & Black with Banchero & Wagner also playmaking

If we could get WCJ and Fultz for Terry and Nick straight up, I'd be happy. Money works. Might as well add every injury prone player we can.

That's an easy yes for ORL...if you're not making a joke. Given their frontcourt forwards, they really don't need a strong on-ball PG (which Fultz is), they need a floor spreader with just enough offensive creation (which Fultz is not).

If you really want to swing big, I'd swap in Isaac for either. I think ORL has got to be finally ready to admit defeat and on Isaac. His deal is not-guaranteed for next year, so if it doesn't work out, he provides $17m in cap relief. But if it DOES work out, you walk away with honest DPOY level play immediately. He's so damn impactful...if I knew you could count of just 15mpg for 65 games, I'd pay him the $17m...he's such a dominant defensive force...but, there comes a time to tap out. ORL, happily, shouldn't be in the patience and exploration phase anymore...maybe CHA is? Only this year at risk.

[MPM]

I think the proposed deal is fair.

Was wondering, though, would ORL include Cole Anthony instead of Harris? WCJ+ Anthony. Hornets desperately need another PG. ORL still would have Fulz, Suggs & Black with Banchero & Wagner also playmaking

If we could get WCJ and Fultz for Terry and Nick straight up, I'd be happy. Money works. Might as well add every injury prone player we can.

That's an easy yes for ORL...if you're not making a joke. Given their frontcourt forwards, they really don't need a strong on-ball PG (which Fultz is), they need a floor spreader with just enough offensive creation (which Fultz is not).

If you really want to swing big, I'd swap in Isaac for either. I think ORL has got to be finally ready to admit defeat and on Isaac. His deal is not-guaranteed for next year, so if it doesn't work out, he provides $17m in cap relief. But if it DOES work out, you walk away with honest DPOY level play immediately. He's so damn impactful...if I knew you could count of just 15mpg for 65 games, I'd pay him the $17m...he's such a dominant defensive force...but, there comes a time to tap out. ORL, happily, shouldn't be in the patience and exploration phase anymore...maybe CHA is? Only this year at risk.

I'd honestly consider WCJ/Fultz for Terry/Nick (perhaps with a bit of sweetener), even if my preference would still be to hold on to Nick and swap him out for young prospect(s) like Thor/McGowens. Our frontcourt depth is trash as is our backup PG situation. But, yeah, that Isaac carrot. Man - he's always been such a fantastic tease. Regardless, it feels like there's a deal to be made that sends out Terry and brings back WCJ with tinkering regarding picks and add-on players to balance.

[Skybox]

If we could get WCJ and Fultz for Terry and Nick straight up, I'd be happy. Money works. Might as well add every injury prone player we can.

That's an easy yes for ORL...if you're not making a joke. Given their frontcourt forwards, they really don't need a strong on-ball PG (which Fultz is), they need a floor spreader with just enough offensive creation (which Fultz is not).

If you really want to swing big, I'd swap in Isaac for either. I think ORL has got to be finally ready to admit defeat and on Isaac. His deal is not-guaranteed for next year, so if it doesn't work out, he provides $17m in cap relief. But if it DOES work out, you walk away with honest DPOY level play immediately. He's so damn impactful...if I knew you could count of just 15mpg for 65 games, I'd pay him the $17m...he's such a dominant defensive force...but, there comes a time to tap out. ORL, happily, shouldn't be in the patience and exploration phase anymore...maybe CHA is? Only this year at risk.

I'd honestly consider WCJ/Fultz for Terry/Nick (perhaps with a bit of sweetener), even if my preference would still be to hold on to Nick and swap him out for young prospect(s) like Thor/McGowens. Our frontcourt depth is trash as is our backup PG situation. But, yeah, that Isaac carrot. Man - he's always been such a fantastic tease. Regardless, it feels like there's a deal to be made that sends out Terry and brings back WCJ with tinkering regarding picks and add-on players to balance.

Isaac, Fultz, Harris, WCJ

for: Rozier, Richards, Hayward

swapping mystery men?

[Skybox]

What's truly the expected outcome with Bridges?

*awful awful situation - possibly not over?
*helluva ballplayer
*could be a bargain or will he get paid? By who?

[luciano-davidwesley]

Another option to address our awful backup PG situation. I know Davion has had a rough couple of years but I think he's a guy that has shown he can play in the past.

Bouknight and McGowens and a second or two for Davion Mitchell.

Sac gets draft capital and takes a flier on a young wing. Charlotte gets a defensive-minded backup PG.

[Braggins]

Spoiler:

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, DEN 25 frp
CHA sends: Terry Rozier, Nick Richards

Totally reasonable offer. I personally would probably rather get some more draft capital or a different player instead of WCJ and keep Richards tbh. WCJ is solid, but I don't think upgrading backup center is really necessary for this team.

I like Fultz as a target who fits more of a need for this team (PG who can pressure the rim and play defense). Ive also been watching a lot of Orlando games this year because I'm a huge Anthony Black fan and I think trading Fultz could also make some sense for Orlando to balance their roster. Not sure if Fultz being an expiring complicates things, though.

Something like Rozier for Fultz + 2025 DEN 1st might make more sense for Charlotte if they felt they had a decent shot at resigning Fultz.

why? we're talking about someone who has played like a third of the possible games in their career, has a completely busted three ball, and is merely competent elsewhere. Just wait till the offseason and sign him with the MLE if you actually want him as a backup. Carter's at least reasonably good when healthy.

WCJ is a similar'ish level player as Fultz and is also injury prone. The Honets don't have much need for a backup center upgrade imo, though.

Maybe this team just shouldn't be trading for any injury prone players tbh. My ideal trade with Orlando would probably be for just salary filler and more draft capital instead of taking on Fultz or WCJ. Maybe something like Rozier for Garry Harris (+ salary filler if needed) + 2025 DEN 1st + 2026 ORL 1st (lotto protected).

[JDR720]

Upgrading Richards isn't high on my priority list. He's very efficient, a solid rebounder and is a good FT shooter for a C.

If Orlando wanted to swap bigs, I'd take Wagner over WCJ. He seems to be more durable.

Ideally, Cole Anthony would be a great get. We'd finally have a good backup PG. Fultz is too injury prone to trade for.

[SWedd523]

I think Richards is a perfectly adequate backup big but I'm all for bringing in an additional, more offensively focused big (Hello Olynyk), to give different looks off the bench.

[Rich4114]

We’ve been searching for a stretch 5 for 20 years, I doubt this is the year they finally get one lol

[fatlever]

We’ve been searching for a stretch 5 for 20 years, I doubt this is the year they finally get one lol

cho really wanted a stretch 5 after drafting biz
zeller when they thought he's learn to shoot lol
frank lol
hawes lol
vonleh lol



mitch seems like he gives two **** about a stretch 5
zeller when they knew he couldnt shoot
mark
richards
carey
mensah
biz part 2
plumlee
harrell
kai

willy is the closet thing mitch has ever had to adding a center who could shoot

[Diop]

We’ve been searching for a stretch 5 for 20 years, I doubt this is the year they finally get one lol

cho really wanted a stretch 5 after drafting biz
zeller when they thought he's learn to shoot lol
frank lol
hawes lol
vonleh lol



mitch seems like he gives two **** about a stretch 5
zeller when they knew he couldnt shoot
mark
richards
carey
mensah
biz part 2
plumlee
harrell
kai

willy is the closet thing mitch has ever had to adding a center who could shoot

i was sucked in by the Vonleh hype at first, what (another) disappointment

DX had him going 7 to Sacramento

While there are no shortage of players on Sacramento's roster who can play power forward, it's difficult to point to anyone who is clearly a long-term solution alongside DeMarcus Cousins. The Kings ranked as one of the worst outside shooting teams in the NBA last season, and Vonleh's ability to (potentially) space the floor is attractive alongside the ball-dominant trio of Cousins, Rudy Gay and Isaiah Thomas. - Source: https://www.draftexpress.com/article/DraftExpress-Extended-2014-Mock-Draft-1-4503/ ©DraftExpress

[Rich4114]

We’ve been searching for a stretch 5 for 20 years, I doubt this is the year they finally get one lol

cho really wanted a stretch 5 after drafting biz
zeller when they thought he's learn to shoot lol
frank lol
hawes lol
vonleh lol



mitch seems like he gives two **** about a stretch 5
zeller when they knew he couldnt shoot
mark
richards
carey
mensah
biz part 2
plumlee
harrell
kai

willy is the closet thing mitch has ever had to adding a center who could shoot

You forgot Twilight Dwight! I think he attempted a 3 and Eric Collins lost his mind. I could be thinking of someone else though.

This organization has been piss poor at acquiring legit big men since it's inception in 2004. Emeka was probably the best defensive big we've ever had in the reboot tbh. Tyson Chandler was good but poorly utilized. Twlight Dwight probably comes in third. Mark has a chance to pass them all though.

[JDR720]

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[MPM]

Zach Lowe is a smart man. Ditto his approach.

[fatlever]

exactly