Hornets Sign Lance Stephenson 3y/27.5 mil (p67)

HornetShocker · Post #1501 » by **HornetShocker** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:53 pm

Agree, I cannot imagine that contract being any better. 3rd yr team option is a great move just in case. 9 per is GREAT value for a player like Stephenson.

Utah matching was the best thing that could have happened now. I think Lance is the better all around player.

I would much rather have Marvin Wiliams, Roberts and Stephenson than just Hayward.

MasterIchiro · Post #1502 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:54 pm

chabber wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Bash me all y'all want, but I refuse to give Cho much credit for this signing. I'm under the belief that Jordan (the owner) put the call in...

This offseason was headed towards near destruction, and remember it's Jordan's reputation that's on the line to the general public whenever the Charlotte Hornets fail, not Cho

Cho's plan B was highly suspect now that we know Stephenson was on the verge of signing with Dallas (probably for over 10 million BTW). He lucked into the 9th pick. He lucked into Vonleh who was supposed to go top 5. He lucked into Lance and probably was pressured by Jordan to sign him. Houston not matching on Parsons saved Cho's ass on this new Hornets kickoff.

When Afflalo opts out, they need to sign him.

Are you just speculating based off the rumors about Dallas going after Lance or did something leak this morning that that Stephenson was on the verge of signing with Dallas?

Stephenson had been in the process of finalizing a possible deal with the Mavericks before the Houston Rockets decided to allow Chandler Parsons to follow through on his offer sheet in Dallas, sources told RealGM.

And so Bonnell was right. We weren't interested in Lance or in other words, knew Dallas was the frontrunner and we were working on trades as our plan-B. Lance became our plan-B by freak accident so I want to see what kind of trade was lined up for us all this time had Dallas failed to swipe Parsons. Knowing there was no guarantee of Lance because of Dallas you absolutely have to push for a contingency plan considering the high probability of Houston matching on Parsons. Now I suspect maybe the Kevin Love deal is holding up things but if we have no more trades, our plan-B failed and we were on the verge of our plan-C (Lance) not happening either.

UNCNYC · Post #1503 » by **UNCNYC** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:59 pm

We can always re sign Tyrus Thomas lmao

buffaloblue · Post #1504 » by **buffaloblue** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:01 pm

We won't sign Boozer.

We will bid on a portion of his contract through blind process.

How much of 3.9 million u want to bid for last year of boozers deal?

chabber · Post #1505 » by **chabber** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:03 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
chabber wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Cho's plan B was highly suspect now that we know Stephenson was on the verge of signing with Dallas (probably for over 10 million BTW). He lucked into the 9th pick. He lucked into Vonleh who was supposed to go top 5. He lucked into Lance and probably was pressured by Jordan to sign him. Houston not matching on Parsons saved Cho's ass on this new Hornets kickoff.

When Afflalo opts out, they need to sign him.

Are you just speculating based off the rumors about Dallas going after Lance or did something leak this morning that that Stephenson was on the verge of signing with Dallas?

Stephenson had been in the process of finalizing a possible deal with the Mavericks before the Houston Rockets decided to allow Chandler Parsons to follow through on his offer sheet in Dallas, sources told RealGM.

And so Bonnell was right. We weren't interested in Lance or in other words, knew Dallas was the frontrunner and we were working on trades as our plan-B. Lance became our plan-B by freak accident so I want to see what kind of trade was lined up for us all this time had Dallas failed to swipe Parsons. Knowing there was no guarantee of Lance because of Dallas you absolutely have to push for a contingency plan considering the high probability of Houston matching on Parsons. Now I suspect maybe the Kevin Love deal is holding up things but if we have no more trades, our plan-B failed and we were on the verge of our plan-C (Lance) not happening either.

Thanks man, well that explains everything. I had a feeling we wouldn't necessarily be his top choice if we were pursuing him along with Dallas. So Parsons and Lance both would have rather went to the Mavs than play for us, I don't really blame them.

chabber · Post #1506 » by **chabber** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:06 pm

buffaloblue wrote:We won't sign Boozer.

We will bid on a portion of his contract through blind process.

How much of 3.9 million u want to bid for last year of boozers deal?

It's either all or nothing. I don't think that is enough to win the bid. Also it's not like you can split that money up between two good players, other then vet min type guys, which you can get no matter your cap situation.

Zombiesonics · Post #1507 » by **Zombiesonics** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:07 pm

Not sure if its been discussed, but I bet lance loves the idea of sharing the backcourt with walker. George hill/watson seems lame, hornets have the most NY backcourt i've seen in a while. both legends in their respective boroughs. to think the knicks could have had this backcourt hahaha.

MasterIchiro · Post #1508 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:07 pm

chabber wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
chabber wrote:
Are you just speculating based off the rumors about Dallas going after Lance or did something leak this morning that that Stephenson was on the verge of signing with Dallas?

Stephenson had been in the process of finalizing a possible deal with the Mavericks before the Houston Rockets decided to allow Chandler Parsons to follow through on his offer sheet in Dallas, sources told RealGM.

And so Bonnell was right. We weren't interested in Lance or in other words, knew Dallas was the frontrunner and we were working on trades as our plan-B. Lance became our plan-B by freak accident so I want to see what kind of trade was lined up for us all this time had Dallas failed to swipe Parsons. Knowing there was no guarantee of Lance because of Dallas you absolutely have to push for a contingency plan considering the high probability of Houston matching on Parsons. Now I suspect maybe the Kevin Love deal is holding up things but if we have no more trades, our plan-B failed and we were on the verge of our plan-C (Lance) not happening either.

Thanks man, well that explains everything. I had a feeling we wouldn't necessarily be his top choice if we were pursuing him along with Dallas. So Parsons and Lance who would have rather went to the Mavs than play for us, I don't really blame them.

Yeah we put all of our eggs in the Hayward basket then scrambled to orchestrate a trade as plan-B. I want to see evidence of those efforts. Lance fell into our laps at a discount. You know Cuban wasn't going to let him go. We were forced to plan for life without him, Parsons or Hayward. So how far did trade talks progress? Do we have any goodies coming our way? If not, I'm very skeptical.

UNCNYC · Post #1509 » by **UNCNYC** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:08 pm

Maybe we will find a gem the same way we found McRoberts. I think Marvin will be ok if he can stay injury free for a year

Bassman · Post #1510 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:11 pm

chabber wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
chabber wrote:
Are you just speculating based off the rumors about Dallas going after Lance or did something leak this morning that that Stephenson was on the verge of signing with Dallas?

Stephenson had been in the process of finalizing a possible deal with the Mavericks before the Houston Rockets decided to allow Chandler Parsons to follow through on his offer sheet in Dallas, sources told RealGM.

And so Bonnell was right. We weren't interested in Lance or in other words, knew Dallas was the frontrunner and we were working on trades as our plan-B. Lance became our plan-B by freak accident so I want to see what kind of trade was lined up for us all this time had Dallas failed to swipe Parsons. Knowing there was no guarantee of Lance because of Dallas you absolutely have to push for a contingency plan considering the high probability of Houston matching on Parsons. Now I suspect maybe the Kevin Love deal is holding up things but if we have no more trades, our plan-B failed and we were on the verge of our plan-C (Lance) not happening either.

Thanks man, well that explains everything. I had a feeling we wouldn't necessarily be his top choice if we were pursuing him along with Dallas. So Parsons and Lance who would have rather went to the Mavs than play for us, I don't really blame them.

We bid on Hayward, so of course options with other teams were being explored. We were not first in line for Lance, so our next opportunity had to wait. Still, I would think there was some prior conversation, then real talks started, followed by the in-person overnight negotiations last night. My point; we really cannot presume to know how this got done without more info. I am just glad everything fell into place for us!!

MasterIchiro · Post #1511 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:13 pm

Bassman wrote:
chabber wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:

And so Bonnell was right. We weren't interested in Lance or in other words, knew Dallas was the frontrunner and we were working on trades as our plan-B. Lance became our plan-B by freak accident so I want to see what kind of trade was lined up for us all this time had Dallas failed to swipe Parsons. Knowing there was no guarantee of Lance because of Dallas you absolutely have to push for a contingency plan considering the high probability of Houston matching on Parsons. Now I suspect maybe the Kevin Love deal is holding up things but if we have no more trades, our plan-B failed and we were on the verge of our plan-C (Lance) not happening either.

Thanks man, well that explains everything. I had a feeling we wouldn't necessarily be his top choice if we were pursuing him along with Dallas. So Parsons and Lance who would have rather went to the Mavs than play for us, I don't really blame them.

We bid on Hayward, so of course options with other teams were being explored. We were not first in line for Lance, so our next opportunity had to wait. Still, I would think there was some prior conversation, then real talks started, followed by the in-person overnight negotiations last night. My point; we really cannot presume to know how this got done without more info. I am just glad everything fell into place for us!!

You're the one poster who got everything he wanted and more this offseason. Any last requests?

Eoghan · Post #1512 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:13 pm

Oh thank god. I still can't believe that they got Lance on this sweet deal when they offered Hayward all that money.

LofJ · Post #1513 » by **LofJ** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:15 pm

Zombiesonics wrote:Not sure if its been discussed, but I bet lance loves the idea of sharing the backcourt with walker. George hill/watson seems lame, hornets have the most NY backcourt i've seen in a while. both legends in their respective boroughs. to think the knicks could have had this backcourt hahaha.

I love it too, and MKG is from New Jersey. We're going to have an all NY/NJ backcourt, lol.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1514 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:15 pm

Rick Bonnell, if you're reading this, you can gain traction as a valuable team beat writer if you get the real scoop on how the Stephenson signing came about, whether it was Cho's brilliant plan to be patient and wait it out, or if he was urged by Jordan to follow through with it. I don't think I just speak for myself when I say that 'we' are interested in knowing what really happened

MasterIchiro · Post #1515 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:16 pm

BrotherDave wrote:Oh thank god. I still can't believe that they got Lance on this sweet deal when they offered Hayward all that money.

Hayward @ 16 > Lance @9

j/k

Good to see you still breathing.

MasterIchiro · Post #1516 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:17 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:Rick Bonnell, if you're reading this, you can gain traction as a valuable team beat writer if you get the real scoop on how the Stephenson signing came about, whether it was Cho's brilliant plan to be patient and wait it out, or if he was urged by Jordan to follow through with it. I don't think I just speak for myself when I say that 'we' are interested in knowing what really happened

You have fallen from Yankee Oracle to this? Oh my.

Eoghan · Post #1517 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:18 pm

Glad we finally have a good role model for PJ, too.

Braggins · Post #1518 » by **Braggins** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:18 pm

This is amazing. I can't believe how good that contract is for us. Not that it matters, but it makes the Marvin Williams contract look even worse lol. I really think we should try to swap out Hendo and somehow getting a starting 4 or bid on Boozer and use him as a go to scorer in our second unit and then just assume Marvin will probably be buried in the lineup.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1519 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:19 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:Rick Bonnell, if you're reading this, you can gain traction as a valuable team beat writer if you get the real scoop on how the Stephenson signing came about, whether it was Cho's brilliant plan to be patient and wait it out, or if he was urged by Jordan to follow through with it. I don't think I just speak for myself when I say that 'we' are interested in knowing what really happened

You have fallen from Yankee Oracle to this? Oh my.

I have my belief that I don't want to wear out as if I'm anti-Cho, but I want to know for a fact what transpired, because it's a little suspicious to say the least

Bassman · Post #1520 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:20 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Bassman wrote:
chabber wrote:
Thanks man, well that explains everything. I had a feeling we wouldn't necessarily be his top choice if we were pursuing him along with Dallas. So Parsons and Lance who would have rather went to the Mavs than play for us, I don't really blame them.

We bid on Hayward, so of course options with other teams were being explored. We were not first in line for Lance, so our next opportunity had to wait. Still, I would think there was some prior conversation, then real talks started, followed by the in-person overnight negotiations last night. My point; we really cannot presume to know how this got done without more info. I am just glad everything fell into place for us!!

You're the one poster who got everything he wanted and more this offseason. Any last requests?

Master...I am indeed blessed, since Noah was my choice and now Lance. Not thrilled with Williams, PJ or Roberts but we will see. My final hope for this offseason is a trade of Neal or Hendo plus Zeller for a quality PF. Please make it so Ichiro!