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I like how Trae and Murray compliment each other. That said I think Atlanta overpaid for a guy coming off a career season on a bad team.
I think Atlanta needs to go full send for Ayton or Gobert at this point in order for this overpay to make sense.
I think Atlanta needs to go full send for Ayton or Gobert at this point in order for this overpay to make sense.
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amcoolio wrote:All of us here would be livid if we traded 25 and 27 unprotected picks for Murray
5 years from now Trae could have the impact of current Bradley Beal and the Hawks be one of the worst teams, a lot can happen in 5 years
I want the team to improve our talent too, but yeah agree with this. Murray isn't the best jump shooter either, his value on offense is diminished if he's playing off ball. Trae Young should be able to expend more energy on defense with Murray initiating the offense, but how much impact can he have on that end with his size? And if I'm the Hawks I'd prefer for Young to run the offense over Murray. Murray also has good size for a PG, but as a SG his size is only okay. The fit is not a home run, the Hawks took a huge risk here.
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Benjamin Linus wrote:Well San Antonio just went full tank mode, might as well get in on some Poeltl action
We should definitely be talking with them and leading with that Denver 2023 pick.
Malpractice if we don't get in on an established young rim protector playing the last year of his contract on a tanking team paving the way for their HOF coach to retire. They just traded their best player.
Unique opportunity to really boost our defense with Clifford.
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amcoolio wrote:All of us here would be livid if we traded 25 and 27 unprotected picks for Murray
5 years from now Trae could have the impact of current Bradley Beal and the Hawks be one of the worst teams, a lot can happen in 5 years
I saw the news on the ticker -- Hawks get Murray for Gallinari + three first rounders -- and thought that was a damn good trade for the Hawks. I don't really assign much value to Gallinari, so it's basically a young All-Star for three first round picks. That sounds pretty good to me. Thinking about what you said, it makes me a little more hesitant to support it, but the Hawks are still a relatively young team and should be good enough to at least make the playoffs for several years, so that leaves maybe just the '27 pick up in the air? I certainly would roll the dice to get an All-Star now vs. protecting a pick that may potentially be in the lottery five years from now. Even with three bites at the apple, odds are none of the players that the Spurs will draft will be better than Murray is. Well, I take that back, it is the Spurs, but you know what I mean.

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Lower Protections on our 2023 pick (owed to spurs now) from top 16 protected to top 8 protected, toss in Knicks 2024 second, Plumlee for Poeltl.
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JMAC3 wrote:Lower Protections on our 2023 pick (owed to spurs now) from top 16 protected to top 8 protected, toss in Knicks 2024 second, Plumlee for Poeltl.
That is the most I would do for Poeltl. No Thor, no Kai, no Bouk, no Denver pick. Poeltl is an average NBA center with not a lot of room to improve. I really don't get you guys fascination with him.
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amcoolio wrote:JMAC3 wrote:Lower Protections on our 2023 pick (owed to spurs now) from top 16 protected to top 8 protected, toss in Knicks 2024 second, Plumlee for Poeltl.
That is the most I would do for Poeltl. No Thor, no Kai, no Bouk, no Denver pick. Poeltl is an average NBA center with not a lot of room to improve. I really don't get you guys fascination with him.
Teams shot the worst % in the league at the rim vs Spurs last year. Poeltl was a big part of that and he is a solid rebounder. I think he is a good improvement over Plumlee, but at same time I don't see us resigning him if Mark Williams is decent.
Hence why trading the Denver pick for him seems pretty pointless to me.
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MasterIchiro wrote:Benjamin Linus wrote:Well San Antonio just went full tank mode, might as well get in on some Poeltl action
We should definitely be talking with them and leading with that Denver 2023 pick.
Malpractice if we don't get in on an established young rim protector playing the last year of his contract on a tanking team paving the way for their HOF coach to retire. They just traded their best player.
Unique opportunity to really boost our defense with Clifford.
I'd like to have Poeltl, but it only makes sense to trade a 1st for him if we intend to pay him next summer. We'd pretty much have to send PJ out on a deal for him because no way we'd pay both of them.
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Basically as things sit now Hawks can move 2023 first, but then can't trade another first until 2029. They are about to be in Lakers situation in terms of picks they can attach or use to dump guys.
Luckily they have Griffin and OO to give them some flexibility. However, those guys could underperform and be pretty valueless quickly.
Luckily they have Griffin and OO to give them some flexibility. However, those guys could underperform and be pretty valueless quickly.
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LofJ wrote:MasterIchiro wrote:Benjamin Linus wrote:Well San Antonio just went full tank mode, might as well get in on some Poeltl action
We should definitely be talking with them and leading with that Denver 2023 pick.
Malpractice if we don't get in on an established young rim protector playing the last year of his contract on a tanking team paving the way for their HOF coach to retire. They just traded their best player.
Unique opportunity to really boost our defense with Clifford.
I'd like to have Poeltl, but it only makes sense to trade a 1st for him if we intend to pay him next summer. We'd pretty much have to send PJ out on a deal for him because no way we'd pay both of them.
If we are not paying McDaniels and not using the MLE then we can get there with Poeltl. The MLE was gonna bring us to the tax. That's 11 to tack on to Poeltl's 9. That's 20 million for him. PJ makes 5.8 and the Batum stretch is 9. That's about 15 million for PJ. Plus 1.9 from McD to pay PJ close to 17.
Kai would pick up minutes at the 4 while Hayward is under contract these next 2 years.
Mark Williams would be be C2 as a rookie. Nothing wrong with grooming him under Poeltl while Jakob is still in his 20's.
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MasterIchiro wrote:LofJ wrote:MasterIchiro wrote:
We should definitely be talking with them and leading with that Denver 2023 pick.
Malpractice if we don't get in on an established young rim protector playing the last year of his contract on a tanking team paving the way for their HOF coach to retire. They just traded their best player.
Unique opportunity to really boost our defense with Clifford.
I'd like to have Poeltl, but it only makes sense to trade a 1st for him if we intend to pay him next summer. We'd pretty much have to send PJ out on a deal for him because no way we'd pay both of them.
If we are not paying McDaniels and not using the MLE then we can get there with Poeltl. The MLE was gonna bring us to the tax. That's 11 to tack on to Poeltl's 9. That's 20 million for him. PJ makes 5.8 and the Batum stretch is 9. That's about 15 million for PJ. Plus 1.9 from McD to pay PJ close to 17.
Kai would pick up minutes at the 4 while Hayward is under contract these next 2 years.
Mark Williams would be be C2 as a rookie. Nothing wrong with grooming him under Poeltl while Jakob is still in his 20's.
I would prefer to lower protections on our own pick then trade Denver. Sounds weird, but I would rather just rip off the bandaid then have this debt over our heads for the next 2-3 years. No way am I doing both for Poeltl though. Spurs clearly aren't looking to retain him after this latest move, no reason to pay 125 cents on the dollar for a guy that probably would rather be dealt anyways.
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JMAC3 wrote:MasterIchiro wrote:LofJ wrote:
I'd like to have Poeltl, but it only makes sense to trade a 1st for him if we intend to pay him next summer. We'd pretty much have to send PJ out on a deal for him because no way we'd pay both of them.
If we are not paying McDaniels and not using the MLE then we can get there with Poeltl. The MLE was gonna bring us to the tax. That's 11 to tack on to Poeltl's 9. That's 20 million for him. PJ makes 5.8 and the Batum stretch is 9. That's about 15 million for PJ. Plus 1.9 from McD to pay PJ close to 17.
Kai would pick up minutes at the 4 while Hayward is under contract these next 2 years.
Mark Williams would be be C2 as a rookie. Nothing wrong with grooming him under Poeltl while Jakob is still in his 20's.
I would prefer to lower protections on our own pick then trade Denver. Sounds weird, but I would rather just rip off the bandaid then have this debt over our heads for the next 2-3 years. No way am I doing both for Poeltl though. Spurs clearly aren't looking to retain him after this latest move, no reason to pay 125 cents on the dollar for a guy that probably would rather be dealt anyways.
Well I would be willing to lead with the Denver 2023 1st. Poeltl would boost our record and the Hornets 1st owned by the Spurs would work itself out naturally. There's not much value in lowering protections if Poeltl makes us a playoff team. Maybe lowering the pick to top 8 adds peripheral value but the core value is the 2023 Denver 1st.
You might be right, so I will reserve judgment until Kupchak moves.
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After the Bridges situation I think the fans and the locker room could do with bringing a welcome vet back home. Come on MJ bring Kemba back home he probably wouldn't cost a lot and we need a back up point guard
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Durant just requested a trade.
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Liver_Pooty wrote:Durant just requested a trade.
Bridges for Durant straight up is fine with me /s.
What could we offer?
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Everybody's available except Melo
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Monk is signing with the Kings. He's really screwed now.
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Bamba back to Orlando for 2 years 20M.
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Liver_Pooty wrote:Durant just requested a trade.
Seriously, **** that prick.
Who would have thought trading for Durant would set Brooklyn back. They were a play off team before letting him dictate their franchise.
