2023 NBA Draft Thread

[Goodecharlotte]

Scoot has the potential to be an all star year in year out, where as I see Miller as a good player but just not very exciting. If we're not winning I want to be entertained I think Scoot gives us that excitement especially with Melo in the backcourt.
I could be wrong and Miller could be an all star I'm willing to take that risk. Any other year Scoot would go no.1 I'm not willing to pass on that

[MPM]

FWIW - interesting statistic - at the time of the article below (2020), the 3rd pick produced a significantly higher number of all-stars than the second pick:

"The obvious thing is the first pick would get the best chance to become an All-Star at some point of their career since it has a probability of 63.3% if we take last 30 years into account. When we move down, the interesting part is the 3rd pick has bigger chance to become an All-Star than the 2nd pick, based on last 30 years of data. To elaborate:

17 of 30 players(56.7%) have been named as All-Star for the 3rd pick.
12 of 30 players(40.0%) have been named as All-Star for the 2nd pick.
For the lottery picks, 2 of 14 picks had the worst luck for making the All-Star game in someday. In last 30 years, both 8th pick and 12th pick had only 1 player out of 30 players from their respective spots and the most recent was selected in 1993:

8th Pick: Vin Baker, MIL, 1993
12th Pick: Mookie Blaylock, NJN, 1989
Other than top-3 picks, there were two other spots which had double-digit number of players selected as All-Stars in the last 30 years: 4th and 9th picks with 10 All-Stars each(probability of 33.3%)."

https://medium.com/@burakcankoc/what-are-the-odds-to-become-an-all-star-for-each-draft-pick-2d113d6b82e5

[Liver_Pooty]

FWIW - interesting statistic - at the time of the article below (2020), the 3rd pick produced a significantly higher number of all-stars than the second pick:

"The obvious thing is the first pick would get the best chance to become an All-Star at some point of their career since it has a probability of 63.3% if we take last 30 years into account. When we move down, the interesting part is the 3rd pick has bigger chance to become an All-Star than the 2nd pick, based on last 30 years of data. To elaborate:

17 of 30 players(56.7%) have been named as All-Star for the 3rd pick.
12 of 30 players(40.0%) have been named as All-Star for the 2nd pick.
For the lottery picks, 2 of 14 picks had the worst luck for making the All-Star game in someday. In last 30 years, both 8th pick and 12th pick had only 1 player out of 30 players from their respective spots and the most recent was selected in 1993:

8th Pick: Vin Baker, MIL, 1993
12th Pick: Mookie Blaylock, NJN, 1989
Other than top-3 picks, there were two other spots which had double-digit number of players selected as All-Stars in the last 30 years: 4th and 9th picks with 10 All-Stars each(probability of 33.3%)."

https://medium.com/@burakcankoc/what-are-the-odds-to-become-an-all-star-for-each-draft-pick-2d113d6b82e5

Just don't need a Marvin Bagley situation.

[LofJ]

This is what I want the Hornets to work towards. Guys that pout and don't buy in should get traded or cut. Move on from guys that don't deserve the opportunity and give it to players that do.

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[JMAC3]

Scoot is an elite athlete with elite intangibles, high skill level, and high IQ/feel. He averaged roughly 21/6/8 per75 on 55% playing against better competition than any of the NCAA guys (his production wasn't mediocre, it was straight up good).

55%? What is this number supposed to be?

[JDR720]

The Miller vs Scoot stuff reminds of me the old Oubre (who some swore was going to be a top scorer) vs Stanly Johnson (who was supposedly a potential point forward?)? and Devin Booker. Can't remember. But we ended up drafting Frank because of his smarts and shooting.

Or the Randle vs Vonleh stuff. Vonleh was viewed as a prototypical modern PF and Randle was a no-defense tweener (to be fair, he still is) but his offense turned out to be much better. Partially because he learned to shoot

The draft is a crapshoot and historically the #2 pick isn't that good. So I think it'd be a great idea to trade down with Orlando for 6 and 11. However, we have too many young players or whatever.

[Liver_Pooty]

This isn't the NFL. Draft whomever we think is the best player at 2 and pray. I'm going to continously bring up Felton and may at 5 and 13 when we could've used those 2 picks to go up to 3 for williams or Paul.

[SWedd523]

This isn't the NFL. Draft whomever we think is the best player at 2 and pray. I'm going to continously bring up Felton and may at 5 and 13 when we could've used those 2 picks to go up to 3 for williams or Paul.

Yep.

It's more likely that neither one will be an all-star than anything else lol. Even if they are good, there's no telling if Scoot will turn into a sniper who doesn't play D or Miller will turn into a slam dunk contestant. Total crapshoot.

The worst (best) part is how vehement some folks are getting over these draft picks.

[Liver_Pooty]

This isn't the NFL. Draft whomever we think is the best player at 2 and pray. I'm going to continously bring up Felton and may at 5 and 13 when we could've used those 2 picks to go up to 3 for williams or Paul.

Yep.

It's more likely that neither one will be an all-star than anything else lol. Even if they are good, there's no telling if Scoot will turn into a sniper who doesn't play D or Miller will turn into a slam dunk contestant. Total crapshoot.

The worst (best) part is how vehement some folks are getting over these draft picks.

I use to get rowdy, very rowdy about them years ago. Now I just sit back take in all the Intel and hope they start cussing each other. Hell, I may eventually join.

[LofJ]

Been watching some video of Dariq Whitehead and man does he have a nice looking shot. If it's true he was playing on a bad foot all season then he could be a real steal.

[SWedd523]

This isn't the NFL. Draft whomever we think is the best player at 2 and pray. I'm going to continously bring up Felton and may at 5 and 13 when we could've used those 2 picks to go up to 3 for williams or Paul.

Yep.

It's more likely that neither one will be an all-star than anything else lol. Even if they are good, there's no telling if Scoot will turn into a sniper who doesn't play D or Miller will turn into a slam dunk contestant. Total crapshoot.

The worst (best) part is how vehement some folks are getting over these draft picks.

I use to get rowdy, very rowdy about them years ago. Now I just sit back take in all the Intel and hope they start cussing each other. Hell, I may eventually join.

I'm just gonna jump on the Dick train

[driveandkick]

This isn't the NFL. Draft whomever we think is the best player at 2 and pray. I'm going to continously bring up Felton and may at 5 and 13 when we could've used those 2 picks to go up to 3 for williams or Paul.

Yep.

It's more likely that neither one will be an all-star than anything else lol. Even if they are good, there's no telling if Scoot will turn into a sniper who doesn't play D or Miller will turn into a slam dunk contestant. Total crapshoot.

The worst (best) part is how vehement some folks are getting over these draft picks.

I’m definitely not wording this perfectly but some are definitely making this out to be more serious than it is. Taking Frank Kaminsky at 9 considering the talent left on the board that year was insane and we all knew it. Really, in hindsight, taking a player like MKG at #2 overall was insane when he had such a glaring and serious flaw that was never going to be fixed.

I know most in the draft community are entrenched in the mindset that Scoot is the clear #2 and Miller is overhyped, but the league clearly doesn’t think that way at all. Like there are very clearly teams that have Miller ranked as the second best player in this draft. If the Hornets do indeed take Miller it’s not like they’re the only team that would be doing this in the situation.

We’re so programmed to automatically expect the worst and I don’t blame anyone for feeling that way. But whether we take Miller or Scoot the initial reaction should not be “LOL TYPICAL HORNETS.”

[LofJ]

The mock drafts are also wildly wrong just about every year. I'm pretty sure Lively is a lock for the lottery for example, but mock sites have him going in the late first.

The general consensus among fans and the media rarely tracks with what actual NBA teams think.

[driveandkick]

The mock drafts are also wildly wrong just about every year. I'm pretty sure Lively is a lock for the lottery for example, but mock sites have him going in the late first.

The general consensus among fans and the media rarely tracks with what actual NBA teams think.

Right. Every year there’s some picks that even the most reputable insiders weren’t mentioning. Giddey to OKC a great recent example. Don’t remember anyone predicting that.

[LofJ]

The mock drafts are also wildly wrong just about every year. I'm pretty sure Lively is a lock for the lottery for example, but mock sites have him going in the late first.

The general consensus among fans and the media rarely tracks with what actual NBA teams think.

Right. Every year there’s some picks that even the most reputable insiders weren’t mentioning. Giddey to OKC a great recent example. Don’t remember anyone predicting that.

Yep, I also remember everyone slamming the Suns at the time for taking Cam Johnson so early. That ended up being a really good pick, but the internet disagreed. Stuff like that happens every year.

[Liver_Pooty]

Yep.

It's more likely that neither one will be an all-star than anything else lol. Even if they are good, there's no telling if Scoot will turn into a sniper who doesn't play D or Miller will turn into a slam dunk contestant. Total crapshoot.

The worst (best) part is how vehement some folks are getting over these draft picks.

I use to get rowdy, very rowdy about them years ago. Now I just sit back take in all the Intel and hope they start cussing each other. Hell, I may eventually join.

I'm just gonna jump on the Dick train

Lol yes sir.

[SWedd523]

All these folks acting all angry and yelling at each other. They just need to get some Dick to help them calm down.

At least that's what I tell my wife

[bravor]

On a side note, unless it's not been mentioned, if Hornets draft Scoot and Houston draft Miller, there is a recently drafted wing by them that could become available in a trade. Just sayin'.
And for once, Hornets have some trade assets to really improve their roster.

No matter what, you pick the guy that has the most trade value (esp. if he's not necessary a keeper)

[Rays Pompadour]

Watched the Prime movie "Air" - which was excellent. The thing that stood out to me is that Jordan went third in the draft because he was a guard. Draft mistakes are made all the time, mainly with teams trying to get players that fit a vision or scheme. Rarely are players drafted with the intent to shift the paradigm. Jordan changed all that.

Which player, Miller or Henderson, is more likely to change the paradigm?

We need more Mrs. Jordans in the world, by the way.

And the characterization of David Falk was show-me-the-money worthy. I remember a customer once who kicked me out of his business, cussing me the whole way. I turned at the last moment and asked if I could come back tomorrow, and he yelled, "Yes!" That's what the back and forth between Vaccaro and Falk reminded me of. So funny, despite the f-bombs.

[Rich4114]

This isn't the NFL. Draft whomever we think is the best player at 2 and pray. I'm going to continously bring up Felton and may at 5 and 13 when we could've used those 2 picks to go up to 3 for williams or Paul.

That’s exactly right. We had the chance to hit the ground running as a new franchise with Okafor and CP3 but Bernie wanted quantity over quality. Worst draft move of all time.