Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

Klazart · Post #1521 » by **Klazart** » Fri Jan 1, 2016 10:37 pm

stepbackjftw wrote:lin looking soft there. why did he feel the need to help an ass that forearmed you in the face intentionally?

lin should have "slipped" and headbutted him

Lol brilliant! Love your style bro.

stepbackjftw · Post #1522 » by **stepbackjftw** » Fri Jan 1, 2016 10:42 pm

Klazart wrote:
stepbackjftw wrote:lin looking soft there. why did he feel the need to help an ass that forearmed you in the face intentionally?

lin should have "slipped" and headbutted him

Lol brilliant! Love your style bro.

makes my blood boil when I see bullies or people taking advantage of good people

leeramundo · Post #1523 » by **leeramundo** » Sat Jan 2, 2016 3:57 am

http://sportige.com/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets-good-defense-89788/

It's nice to see people are finally paying attention to this aspect of his improvement as a player, because it's been his most consistent area of contribution to the team this season. I wonder how much of it is coaching and how much is his own personal improvement. I'd imagine quite a bit comes from coaching because he's always tried on defense, he was never lazy.

Post #1524 » by **fatlever** » Sat Jan 2, 2016 4:09 am

leeramundo wrote:http://sportige.com/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets-good-defense-89788/

It's nice to see people are finally paying attention to this aspect of his improvement as a player, because it's been his most consistent area of contribution to the team this season. I wonder how much of it is coaching and how much is his own personal improvement. I'd imagine quite a bit comes from coaching because he's always tried on defense, he was never lazy.

Both Jeremy's came to Charlotte with a reputation as questionable defenders (one earned, one probably not really fair). Funny now the two Jeremy's couldn't be more different on the defensive end. Lin impresses me with his defense every game and Lamb disappoints me every game.

BatumtheGlue · Post #1525 » by **BatumtheGlue** » Sat Jan 2, 2016 4:40 am

And I miss this Jeremy. Get well soon.

leeramundo · Post #1526 » by **leeramundo** » Sat Jan 2, 2016 4:44 am

fatlever wrote:
leeramundo wrote:http://sportige.com/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets-good-defense-89788/

It's nice to see people are finally paying attention to this aspect of his improvement as a player, because it's been his most consistent area of contribution to the team this season. I wonder how much of it is coaching and how much is his own personal improvement. I'd imagine quite a bit comes from coaching because he's always tried on defense, he was never lazy.

Both Jeremy's came to Charlotte with a reputation as questionable defenders (one earned, one probably not really fair). Funny now the two Jeremy's couldn't be more different on the defensive end. Lin impresses me with his defense every game and Lamb disappoints me every game.

Yeah I agree, Lin was never as terrible a defender as people made him out to be. He was always at least decent I think, but there has been a marked improvement this year that's really made it ridiculous to say he's a bad defender. I was really excited about the other Jeremy earlier in the season even though in the back of my mind, I always knew when he wasn't shooting lights out, he really doesnt give much of anything to the team on either end. It's a shame because as have been said many times before, he certainly has all the physical gifts to be a good defender. He's athletic, got length, not the strongest guy in the world, but that could be remedied fairly easily. He's got kind of a lazy look about him but I don't think he is at all. He's young so he's got time to put it together, hopefully with experience develop some kind of defensive awareness. I'd love to see him get better and earn more playing time cause he's definitely an exciting player to watch when he's on.

bigbob · Post #1527 » by **bigbob** » Sat Jan 2, 2016 4:49 am

leeramundo wrote:http://sportige.com/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets-good-defense-89788/

It's nice to see people are finally paying attention to this aspect of his improvement as a player, because it's been his most consistent area of contribution to the team this season. I wonder how much of it is coaching and how much is his own personal improvement. I'd imagine quite a bit comes from coaching because he's always tried on defense, he was never lazy.

lin was always a good defender, hes naturally talented at it. The warriors recognized that he was a lock down defender, it just got overlooked, under developed and left to gather dust as he went to NYK, rockets and the lakers. The rockets especially lin was stuck between no defense harden on one end and elite top 3 defender patrick beverley on the other. Cliff, is a defensive minded coach, and lin is playing with MKG as well, so his defensive game is just getting more polished. Its a good thing imo, since a good defensive mind leads to taking care of the ball better on the offensive end.

bws94 · Post #1528 » by **bws94** » Sat Jan 2, 2016 5:59 am

Lin is a good defender, takes too many gambles that sometimes pay off. Lamb has the length and athleticism but I'm not sure the instincts.

Hope we get Lin back soon. Of course, I don't want to rush him back so hope the ankle is on the mend so he can get back on the court soon.

rayfantastic · Post #1529 » by **rayfantastic** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 4:06 am

I may be the only one but that kick didn't look intentional at all.

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spaceballer · Post #1530 » by **spaceballer** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 10:39 pm

At least he's keeping things in perspective on the technical :lol:

Jeremy Lin Verified account
‏@JLin7

Easily the worst part about me getting a tech is the text message lecture from Momma Lin afterwards lol #keepyourcool

https://twitter.com/JLin7/status/683490395809017857

spaceballer · Post #1531 » by **spaceballer** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 10:52 pm

It might be an artifact of small sample size, so I'm not sure how statistically relevant this is. But, apparently, Jeremy does much better offensively for the Hornets when he gets to start this season as opposed to when he comes off the bench. Perhaps it's a rhythm thing. Or just that he has more opportunity since his starts are usually because someone is out, which may ostensibly free up shots/touches/playmaking opportunity/minutes/etc. for him to get in a groove.

StatMuse
‏@StatMuse

Jeremy Lin's offensive rating is 6.6 points higher this season when he starts. http://statm.us/e/4J7plFbPx

jeremy lin ortg this season as a starter, off the bench

https://twitter.com/StatMuse/status/683486335487873024

spaceballer · Post #1532 » by **spaceballer** » Sun Jan 3, 2016 11:57 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkaW9-Ik0E[/youtube]

Post #1533 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jan 4, 2016 12:08 am

spaceballer wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkaW9-Ik0E[/youtube]

Frank is the best.

Post #1534 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Jan 4, 2016 1:53 am

spaceballer wrote:It might be an artifact of small sample size, so I'm not sure how statistically relevant this is.

Three game sample size = not statistically relevant

bws94 · Post #1535 » by **bws94** » Mon Jan 4, 2016 1:56 am

Although Lin definitely didn't look like he had his usual speed and lift he didn't look that far off last night. However, he's back questionable. Probably ankle had swelling again. Lin and Batum are so needed on this team, both aren't right and who knows when either will be.

TTNN · Post #1536 » by **TTNN** » Mon Jan 4, 2016 3:28 am

spaceballer wrote:It might be an artifact of small sample size, so I'm not sure how statistically relevant this is. But, apparently, Jeremy does much better offensively for the Hornets when he gets to start this season as opposed to when he comes off the bench. Perhaps it's a rhythm thing. Or just that he has more opportunity since his starts are usually because someone is out, which may ostensibly free up shots/touches/playmaking opportunity/minutes/etc. for him to get in a groove.

StatMuse
‏@StatMuse

Jeremy Lin's offensive rating is 6.6 points higher this season when he starts. http://statm.us/e/4J7plFbPx

jeremy lin ortg this season as a starter, off the bench

https://twitter.com/StatMuse/status/683486335487873024

Well, one out of the three games Lin started he got 35 point, that will for sure shift a lot of numbers.

sidestep · Post #1537 » by **sidestep** » Mon Jan 4, 2016 6:38 am

I think yall are not focusing on what Offensive Rating means. It does not mean that Lin's individual stats are better when he starts (which is a no brainer that doesn't need stats to confirm), but that the team AS A WHOLE improves to scoring 110 pts per 100 possessions when Lin is on the floor. Specifically, during 37 out of 48 minutes, across 3 games, the team OffRtg is 110. To put that in perspective, GSW OffRtg is 111, and OKC's is 109.

With this in mind -- that OffRtg is a team stat and not an individual stat -- Lin's 35 pt game means something very different. In this case, it's not some big outlier that skews the average for an individual player, but rather it shows that even when Lin's individual production is high, it is not at the expense of the team (by taking away opportunities from teammates) but is actually conducive to team wins.

Sample size is small but it's not just that Lin scored more as a starter. Anyone can put up numbers if given enough minutes and shots, but when Lin produces, it is in the flow of the offense and he weaponizes his teammates instead of just putting up empty individual stats.

phillycheese · Post #1538 » by **phillycheese** » Mon Jan 4, 2016 9:47 am

So, are you saying that when Lin scores a lot, the entire team's total score goes up vs when another player scores a lot the entire team's score does not rise as much since that player is taking possessions away from more efficient players?

Guitardude · Post #1539 » by **Guitardude** » Mon Jan 4, 2016 11:05 am

Lin has always played better and put up better ratings/stats as a starter, on whatever team he's played on. It's because of what I've been saying before: dude is an alpha and starter-type player. Confidence and rhythm are also important to him, which I guess he gets more of when he starts. His N=3 here might not mean much, but it makes sense if you compare it with the rest of his career.

bigbob · Post #1540 » by **bigbob** » Mon Jan 4, 2016 9:22 pm

lin is a great player, doesn't do well all the time but certainly lives up to his contract this season. I think he is starting material on alot of teams, but on the hornets it doesn't really matter if he starts or not. The past few games until his ankle sprain, he was one of the closers, which I think is alot more important than a starter. In a way he is given more responsibility than a starter, in that the burden to win is placed partly on his shoulders.

The thing that is holding back lin, batum and the team overall is just bad timing and injuries. I honestly believe that if the hornets were 100% healthy up till now (including mkg and big Al), this team would be in the top 5 right now in the east, maybe higher.