Fake Trade Thread #5

[SWedd523]

They're all reasons to not buy him out, as are all the other ones posted by others. You just don't like them

[Bassman]

What a pathetic front office. Indeed, as several noted, you gain a reputation by what your actions say. Kupcake has done a number of sweet deals for other teams in the past. Now rumor mill hearing we may buy out Hayward???

Dittos to all saying no buyout. Gordo is a great guy, but some team needs to give us relative equal value. Harris? Maybe.

[JDR720]

What are the compelling reasons to buy him out?

Save some money?

Do Gordon a favor?

It may very well happen for either or both of those reasons. But neither of them help this team in the future.

We could've waived Frank and saved some money too since he isn't guaranteed. He hasn't even played a game this season. We had more reason to do that than buyout Gordon. But we didn't, for whatever reason.

[yosemiteben]

What are the compelling reasons to buy him out?

Save some money?

Do Gordon a favor?

It may very well happen for either or both of those reasons. But neither of them help this team in the future.

I mean if we don't want him then keeping him doesn't do anything at all. May at least do something worthwhile and save some money and show we are willing to help players.

[yosemiteben]

They're all reasons to not buy him out, as are all the other ones posted by others. You just don't like them

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it feels like you're saying we've made bad decisions before so that's why making a bad decision now makes sense.

Again, assuming we can't get anything for him and we don't want him...why does it make sense to spend more money to keep him?

[Bassman]

They're all reasons to not buy him out, as are all the other ones posted by others. You just don't like them

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it feels like you're saying we've made bad decisions before so that's why making a bad decision now makes sense.

Again, assuming we can't get anything for him and we don't want him...why does it make sense to spend more money to keep him?

Again….reputation. Sleepy Mitch has done PLENTY of deals that were OTHER team and player friendly. Where are all the free agents flocking to Charlotte because of that? None really. Hayward signed here because we offered an overpriced contract and had originally signed him as a RFA. It’s not even about being player friendly really…it’s about being easy. Too easy. Kupcake easy. Makes me think of lyrics from the chorus of the Keith Carridine song:

“That's why I'm easy, Ya, I'm easy
Say you want me I'll come running
Without taking time to think
Because I'm easy, Ya, I'm easy
Take my hand and pull me down
I won't put up any fight
Because I'm easy, Ya, I'm easy
Give the word I'll play your game
So that's how it ought to be
Because I'm easy”

[yosemiteben]

I'm just asking one question - assuming we can't get a deal done and Hayward is not in our plans going forward, what are we getting by refusing to buy him out? Is there any benefit, other than some obscure attempt to show we won't buy out players?

[Robot Rock]

I'm just asking one question - assuming we can't get a deal done and Hayward is not in our plans going forward, what are we getting by refusing to buy him out? Is there any benefit, other than some obscure attempt to show we won't buy out players?

Since Charlotte's next No. 1 overall pick will come lightyears after the heat death of this universe, keeping him and going 18-64 as opposed to 10-72 at least means you're not finishing with the worst record and picking 4th overall. Because regardless of record, the 4th pick is the maximum in June.

[SWedd523]

I'm just asking one question - assuming we can't get a deal done and Hayward is not in our plans going forward, what are we getting by refusing to buy him out? Is there any benefit, other than some obscure attempt to show we won't buy out players?

The benefit is not needing to give even more minutes to the Leaky Blacks and Bouknights of the world. They're well under any tax apron so the savings are inconsequential to any legitimate ownership. It (unless I'm wrong) preserves bird rights and allows for a s&t opportunities.

Aren't you one of the guys absolutely against getting rid of talent "just for the sake of it"?

Now it's let's show some goodwill and send him out on the market or whatever. Let's do whatever we can to show other teams we're a happy little backwater farm team

[yosemiteben]

I'm just asking one question - assuming we can't get a deal done and Hayward is not in our plans going forward, what are we getting by refusing to buy him out? Is there any benefit, other than some obscure attempt to show we won't buy out players?

The benefit is not needing to give even more minutes to the Leaky Blacks and Bouknights of the world. They're well under any tax apron so the savings are inconsequential to any legitimate ownership. It (unless I'm wrong) preserves bird rights and allows for a s&t opportunities.

S&T is a good point , retaining that ability would be compelling enough for me to keep him.

[luciano-davidwesley]

What are the compelling reasons to buy him out?

Save some money?

Do Gordon a favor?

It may very well happen for either or both of those reasons. But neither of them help this team in the future.

I mean if we don't want him then keeping him doesn't do anything at all. May at least do something worthwhile and save some money and show we are willing to help players.

He's been getting minutes when he's not injured. It doesn't look like our FO sees him as surplus to requirements on the court like a Bouknight for example. If we are going to lose a lot of games let's at least try not to get blown out in every one.

We've shown in the past we're willing to "help players" (whatever that means). A whole lot of good that's done us so far in free agency etc lol. All its done is show contenders they can pick up our scraps for free because we are cheap if they wait until after the deadline.

[Snidely FC]

What's truly the expected outcome with Bridges?

*awful awful situation - possibly not over?
*helluva ballplayer
*could be a bargain or will he get paid? By who?

we've always joked he will end up a Laker because he's a Klutch client, or in DET in a return to MI
but I expect Hornets to pay him - because the team has very little other choice

yet if there were a team that would trade for him I would explore that
been impressed with Caleb Houstan since he's been filling in for Franz
would you include Houstan as part of a trade for Miles? Rozier?

[Rich4114]

It’s actually difficult to even really evaluate players in this environment. It’s that bad.

Anyway, we can’t be buying out Hayward. Going above and beyond to sign him, over pay him, have him be injured roughly 50% of the time here, stretch Batum and pay him $10m for an extra 3 seasons only to simply buy out Hayward so the Pacers can make a playoff run with him? No thanks. You want him then trade for him. Doesn’t need to be much but otherwise I’d keep him and set a precedent that Charlotte isn’t the leagues donation bin.

[Snidely FC]

3 Trades to toughen up the roster:

1. Hayward to NYK for Grimes+Fournier
2. PJ to HOU for Tari Eason+Jeff Green?
3. Miles to DAL for Josh Green+Jaden Hardy

*notes:

According to Kristian Winfield of the New York Daily News, the Knicks have shown interest in former All-Star Gordon Hayward.

PJ becomes trade eligible today. Eason gettable due to Cam Whitmore's accession? works with Oladipo's contract if HOU wants to keep Green

[JMAC3]

I agree buying Hayward out is a weak move. It sets a precedent moving forward that teams will expect our team to buyout guys in the future and won't trade for guys. Hayward is too good to simply give to a playoff team for 2 million, it is unfair to Hornets and the other 29 other teams. Mike Muscala was traded for 2 2nds last year. Thomas Bryant and Mason Plumlee were traded for a 2nd rounder, Hayward is 7x better than those 3 put together.

[JMAC3]

Most likely trade Hornets make?

Bryce McGowens for Xavier Tillman

[Bassman]

3 Trades to toughen up the roster:

1. Hayward to NYK for Grimes+Fournier
2. PJ to HOU for Tari Eason+Jeff Green?
3. Miles to DAL for Josh Green+Jaden Hardy

*notes:

According to Kristian Winfield of the New York Daily News, the Knicks have shown interest in former All-Star Gordon Hayward.

PJ becomes trade eligible today. Eason gettable due to Cam Whitmore's accession? works with Oladipo's contract if HOU wants to keep Green

Doubtful any of those would be acceptable to other teams, but I like some of those targets and the idea of getting tougher. Lots of guards; if we did all those we’d lose both PF with no real help coming back. Nice to hear the Knicks have interest in Gordon.

[the_process]

Tobias for Hayward helps Sixers under the tax and gives Embiid and Maxey an added playmaker.

Positive value. Tax savings equates to 2 of those 4 offered inconsequential 2nd rounders.

Any talks with the Sixers should end there.

But the Philly fan had to get greedy and try to poach PJ Washington on top of it.

Just take your tax savings and keep the other 2 second rounders.

Ta ta.

The offer was for PJ. You're welcome to keep Gordo, who is simply expiring filler at this point. Hence the buyout expectation. He's hurt too often to be impactful.

[Diop]

Most likely trade Hornets make?

Bryce McGowens for Xavier Tillman

nah McGowan is a required player

it will be Amari Bailey for the rights to Konstantinou Artemisia Cosminopolous

a gifted 6'2 athlete who just needs to work on his shooting, awareness and coordination.

Earnt the name of "Knock kneed Cozzie" when he managed to give himself a bone bruise by clashing his knees together when going for an extravagant dunk in warm up

[JustBuzzin]

Thoughts on Hayward/Rozier for Kuminga/Klay?

Warriors been discussing Hayward on their board.