Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

Elden Payton · Post #1561 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:25 am

I'm pretty sure that Taj Gibson's value is past it's peak.

I'm not fond of the idea of trading Zeller and a first for him.

His game will age well but his deal isn't great value for a guy who is more proven as a reserve on a very good team.

He's no spring chicken either at about 28 years old.

LamarMatic7 · Post #1562 » by **LamarMatic7** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:55 am

Sik Infant wrote:I'm pretty sure that Taj Gibson's value is past it's peak.

I understand that you looked at his value from his contract's perspective, but as far as his game is concerned Taj is still improving. During the last season he made a leap forward in his post game. He's still getting better on offense.

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Eoghan · Post #1563 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:53 pm

Zeller is untradeable.

BeesWax · Post #1564 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:08 pm

I would not trade a future first to get Gibson. I do not think he is enough of a game changer to make it worth a young player and a pick.

HornetJail · Post #1565 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:14 pm

jdm3 wrote:I would not trade a future first to get Gibson. I do not think he is enough of a game changer to make it worth a young player and a pick.

Next to Al, he's a perfect fit. I'd trade a 1st and Zeller in a heartbeat

Post #1566 » by **JDR720** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:17 pm

i wouldn't trade zeller + a 1st for taj he is too old (probably won't get much better) and his contract is too long

Liver_Pooty · Post #1567 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:37 pm

I'd like to actually keep our first rounder for once.

SWedd523 · Post #1568 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:42 pm

Holy **** Taj was a 21 year old FRESHMAN at Southern Cal

Liver_Pooty · Post #1569 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:43 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Holy **** Taj was a 21 year old FRESHMAN at Southern Cal

How is that even possible?

BeesWax · Post #1570 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:40 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I would not trade a future first to get Gibson. I do not think he is enough of a game changer to make it worth a young player and a pick.

Next to Al, he's a perfect fit. I'd trade a 1st and Zeller in a heartbeat

He is an OK fit but I would not say perfect. Not worth a 1st and young player.

HornetJail · Post #1571 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:15 am

jdm3 wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I would not trade a future first to get Gibson. I do not think he is enough of a game changer to make it worth a young player and a pick.

Next to Al, he's a perfect fit. I'd trade a 1st and Zeller in a heartbeat

He is an OK fit but I would not say perfect. Not worth a 1st and young player.

I don't know how much more you'd really want without going into all-star territory. He averaged 16.4/8.5 per 36 last season, and is one of the better true defensive PFs in the game- and one of the few PF rim protectors that can also score. Chicago's defense around the rim was actually better when Gibson was on the floor than Noah last season. He expires at the same time as Lance (2017), spaces the floor at a reasonable level (took 22% and 19% of his field goals from 10-16 and 16-23 feet and knocked down 40% at both ranges) and finishes strong around the basket (63.8%). I don't know what more you'd want next to Big Al outside of Serge Ibaka or an all-star PF.

Post #1572 » by **JDR720** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:48 am

BizGilwalker wrote:I don't know how much more you'd really want without going into all-star territory. He averaged 16.4/8.5 per 36 last season, and is one of the better true defensive PFs in the game- and one of the few PF rim protectors that can also score. Chicago's defense around the rim was actually better when Gibson was on the floor than Noah last season. He expires at the same time as Lance (2017), spaces the floor at a reasonable level (took 22% and 19% of his field goals from 10-16 and 16-23 feet and knocked down 40% at both ranges) and finishes strong around the basket (63.8%). I don't know what more you'd want next to Big Al outside of Serge Ibaka or an all-star PF.

LaCody Zeldridge

TheKingofSting · Post #1573 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:02 am

JDR720 wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:I don't know how much more you'd really want without going into all-star territory. He averaged 16.4/8.5 per 36 last season, and is one of the better true defensive PFs in the game- and one of the few PF rim protectors that can also score. Chicago's defense around the rim was actually better when Gibson was on the floor than Noah last season. He expires at the same time as Lance (2017), spaces the floor at a reasonable level (took 22% and 19% of his field goals from 10-16 and 16-23 feet and knocked down 40% at both ranges) and finishes strong around the basket (63.8%). I don't know what more you'd want next to Big Al outside of Serge Ibaka or an all-star PF.

LaCody Zeldridge

I'd pay for season tickets to see that.

Elden Payton · Post #1574 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:11 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:I'm pretty sure that Taj Gibson's value is past it's peak.

I understand that you looked at his value from his contract's perspective, but as far as his game is concerned Taj is still improving. During the last season he made a leap forward in his post game. He's still getting better on offense.

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I believe he's a good fit and he may be still improving slightly, but I'm not sure we should give up assets such as a future first for a 28 year old reserve on an inflated contract.

I'd offer them Marv and Hairston for him in December.

No way they take it, but it's the only type of deal I think we should consider offering.

There are a plethora of guys who could give us something next to Al that could most likely be traded for, with excess assets.

Trevor Booker, Perry Jones, Brandan Wright, Ersan Ilyasova etc.

I don't think we should get tunnel vision for a stretch four necessarily either, guys like Booker and Wright would fit quite well next to Jefferson imo.

Marv and Zeller give us enough (temporary) security to not have to overpay for Gibson imo.

TheKingofSting · Post #1575 » by **TheKingofSting** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:44 am

Add David West to the possible traded list.

MasterIchiro · Post #1576 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:06 pm

Sik Infant wrote:
I'd offer them Marv and Hairston for him in December.

No way they take it, but it's the only type of deal I think we should consider offering.

That's exactly the one I had in mind (and was going to post) max offer. But I have a feeling we'll want Marv more than Taj Gibson by the deadline. If McRoberts can thrive in this system, Marv can as well. They're similar players but Marv is the better outside shooter, McRoberts the better passer. The margins are slim.

Post #1577 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:57 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Holy **** Taj was a 21 year old FRESHMAN at Southern Cal

How is that even possible?

he was home schooled

Benjamin Linus · Post #1578 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:38 pm

Sign me up for Zeller plus a first for Taj. Dude's always played really well when given starter minutes, plus we would easily have the number one defense with him on our team.

TheKingofSting · Post #1579 » by **TheKingofSting** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:08 am

Benjamin Linus wrote:Sign me up for Zeller plus a first for Taj. Dude's always played really well when given starter minutes, plus we would easily have the number one defense with him on our team.

I'd even give them Hairston.

HornetJail · Post #1580 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:22 am

TheKingofSting wrote:
Benjamin Linus wrote:Sign me up for Zeller plus a first for Taj. Dude's always played really well when given starter minutes, plus we would easily have the number one defense with him on our team.

I'd even give them Hairston.

That might be a minor stretch, but I'd probably do it if they threw in Dunleavy. I like Zeller's and Hairston's potentials but they're replaceable. You can find guys with their skill sets every year. Gibson is the fit for us right now, and I personally think this rotation could be as good as any in the East if the Bulls and Cavs run into problems.
Al/Biz/Vonleh
Gibson/Marvin/Vonleh
MKG/Hendo/Taylor
Lance/Dunleavy/Hendo
Kemba/Roberts/Pargo/Neal

Sign me up for that!