Barbeque Chicken: The Cody Zeller Thread - Pt 2

[Joest2003]

Did you watch the game?

No I was at work but there's no excuse for a 7 footer to only get 6 boards in over 40 minutes.

That's all I needed to know. I'm not going to defend his play if you're going to criticize him without actually watching him play. If you're going to box score watch but ignore advanced stats, you're going to have an uninformed opinion.

I work during the day I couldn't watch the game but regardless there is no excuse for a 7 footer to get 6 rebounds in a double OT game period. Why do you defend him so much but bash other players that constantly out perform him? Honest question.

[Braggins]

No I was at work but there's no excuse for a 7 footer to only get 6 boards in over 40 minutes.

That's all I needed to know. I'm not going to defend his play if you're going to criticize him without actually watching him play. If you're going to box score watch but ignore advanced stats, you're going to have an uninformed opinion.

I work during the day I couldn't watch the game but regardless there is no excuse for a 7 footer to get 6 rebounds in a double OT game period. Why do you defend him so much but bash other players that constantly out perform him? Honest question.

Theres no excuse for a PG to get fewer than 6 assists in a game. Kemba averages fewer assists than our starting SG, which means hes bad because SG's aren't supposed to get more assists than PGs. Why do you constantly defend Kemba when other PGs constantly out perform him?

[Joest2003]

I literally cannot even remember the last time i saw Cody hit a mid range or score on a post move. He needs batum or walker to serve him on a silver dish to get a easy dunk. We essentially used a #4 overall pick on a good boxer outter.

[yosemiteben]

Why do you defend him so much but bash other players that constantly out perform him? Honest question.

The only player I've come close to bashing is Biz, and I've explained my view on him thoroughly many times on here. Do you think I bash other players on this team? Can you perhaps show me an example of that?

Here is something you should watch - this is a video of each of Kemba Walker's rebounds from yesterday's games. Watch Cody in these plays. He knows his job is to get Gobert away from the basket so that our guards can crash down and pick up the board. It's plainly obvious from watching how we rebound.

Rudy Gobert averages 3.5 ORBDs per 36 minutes. He played 43 minutes and he only got 3 ORBDs, and only one of them occurred when Cody was on the floor (see for yourself). You can't ignore his contributions in keeping opposing bigs off the boards.

[Joest2003]

That's all I needed to know. I'm not going to defend his play if you're going to criticize him without actually watching him play. If you're going to box score watch but ignore advanced stats, you're going to have an uninformed opinion.

I work during the day I couldn't watch the game but regardless there is no excuse for a 7 footer to get 6 rebounds in a double OT game period. Why do you defend him so much but bash other players that constantly out perform him? Honest question.

Theres no excuse for a PG to get fewer than 6 assists in a game. Kemba averages fewer assists than our starting SG, which means hes bad because SG's aren't supposed to get more assists than PGs. Why do you constantly defend Kemba when other PGs constantly out perform him?

First off I don't defend Kemba second off there are no point guards on this team that out perform him. I don't talk walker up when he has a good game and I don't bash him when he has a bad one he is what he is. And that's a hell of a lot better than Zeller ever has been. Maybe if batums awful fg% was more like Kemba's he would have more assists.

[Braggins]

I work during the day I couldn't watch the game but regardless there is no excuse for a 7 footer to get 6 rebounds in a double OT game period. Why do you defend him so much but bash other players that constantly out perform him? Honest question.

Theres no excuse for a PG to get fewer than 6 assists in a game. Kemba averages fewer assists than our starting SG, which means hes bad because SG's aren't supposed to get more assists than PGs. Why do you constantly defend Kemba when other PGs constantly out perform him?

First off I don't defend Kemba second off there are no point guards on this team that out perform him. I don't talk walker up when he has a good game and I don't bash him when he has a bad one he is what he is. And that's a hell of a lot better than Zeller ever has been. Maybe if batums awful fg% was more like Kemba's he would have more assists.

There are no centers on this team that outperform Cody.

[Joest2003]

Why do you defend him so much but bash other players that constantly out perform him? Honest question.

The only player I've come close to bashing is Biz, and I've explained my view on him thoroughly many times on here. Do you think I bash other players on this team? Can you perhaps show me an example of that?

Here is something you should watch - this is a video of each of Kemba Walker's rebounds from yesterday's games. Watch Cody in these plays. He knows his job is to get Gobert away from the basket so that our guards can crash down and pick up the board. It's plainly obvious from watching how we rebound.

Rudy Gobert averages 3.5 ORBDs per 36 minutes. He played 43 minutes and he only got 3 ORBDs, and only one of them occurred when Cody was on the floor (see for yourself). You can't ignore his contributions in keeping opposing bigs off the boards.

So once again your going back to saying how good of a boxer outter he is. Sorry dude but a #4 overall pick needs to do more then box out players. Drummond and deandre box out players and grab literally double the rebounds Zeller does at the same time while also scoring and blocking shots. Both for those players were drafted well after #4 overall as well.

[yosemiteben]

We essentially used a #4 overall pick on a good boxer outter.

Cody is an excellent paint defender (putting up top 10 rim protection stats comparable to Biz) that has the lateral quickness to defend mobile PFs and the physicality to keep guys with 20-30+ pounds on him from scoring in the paint and off the boards.

His offense has a ways to go, but yes he is a top tier defender and does an excellent job at what he is asked to do on this team.

I'll stop - continue to post "6 boards lol" if you want.

[Joest2003]

"Well he can box out" the Cody Zeller thread.

[yosemiteben]

Drummond and deandre box out players and grab literally double the rebounds Zeller does at the same time while also scoring and blocking shots.

When he was 23 DeAndre averaged just 1 more defensive rebound per game than Cody despite playing essentially the same amount of PT as Cody. He also averaged fewer points per game. Hmm.

[Joest2003]

Drummond and deandre box out players and grab literally double the rebounds Zeller does at the same time while also scoring and blocking shots.

When he was 23 DeAndre averaged just 1 more defensive rebound per game than Cody despite playing essentially the same amount of PT as Cody. He also averaged fewer points per game. Hmm.

He was also drafted #35 overall and has since became one of the most dominate centers in the league..hmmm

[BlackOutBuzz]

This **** again?

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[Liver_Pooty]

This **** again?

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Lol. So ridiculous

[Joest2003]

This **** again?

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Because I can't make a fair criticism about him without the fan boys starting a debate with me. Anyone else on the team can be bashed in peace but not baby Zeller. Our precious #4 overall pick.

[Braggins]

You aren't making a fair criticism... Your argument is based on you not understanding how team rebounding works. If you insist on bashing him at least bash him for something that is a legitimate weakness, like his lack of post game and weak finishing ability.

[Joest2003]

This **** again?

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Lol. So ridiculous

What's that our 5'11 PG averages more blocks or our starting SG averages more rebounds? Those are facts. I should be able to adress those god awful stats without having someone debate with me that he's good at boxing out so that makes it ok. It's not ok.

[catch20two]

Get em Joe. Let them know that Cody ain't living up to expectations. They try to throw a blind eye towards it to bash Kemba but let it be told. Lol

[Joest2003]

You aren't making a fair criticism... Your argument is based on you not understanding how team rebounding works. If you insist on bashing him at least bash him for something that is a legitimate weakness, like his lack of post game and weak finishing ability.

I did mention that look at a few posts before. I also gave him props for his great game the other day. But when I say anything bad it's world War 3 in here which makes me want to bash him even more.

[yosemiteben]

Because I can't make a fair criticism about him without the fan boys starting a debate with me. Anyone else on the team can be bashed in peace but not baby Zeller. Our precious #4 overall pick.

The irony is that you are causing this "fan boy" reaction because you are failing to make a legitimate argument about him. Like Braggins said, there are obvious holes in his game, you just are focusing on the wrong ones. If you made better critiques of his game, you'd get more sympathy.

It's not that you are saying "anything bad" about him. It's that you are criticizing what is potentially our team's greatest strength - our defensive rebounding scheme, which has been among the best in NBA history for three consecutive seasons.

[Joest2003]

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Get em Joe. Let them know that Cody ain't living up to expectations. They try to throw a blind eye towards it to bash Kemba but let it be told. Lol

Kemba and Big Al. Ironically the 2 guys that brought this franchise out of the gutter. Turned them from the laughing stock of not just NBA but all professional sports to a border line playoff team every year. But hey to each his own.