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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#161 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:47 pm

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amcoolio wrote:Cho Press Conference is up

-McBob opted out
-Hetzel Hired
-Draft talk, and why some players won't work out for us

http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/2014/0 ... -3305132/#


Time for me to use my Jedi mind powers to try to read between in the lines of what Cho is saying and his body language. Last year around this time they were adamant about drafting frontcourt depth, rebounding, and size, in which they did with Zeller. This year it seem as if they are intent on perimeter shooting. I'm about to take a listen


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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#162 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:20 pm

Cho deflected the question about any draft prospects like a professional ping pong player (pun intended), but I did gather a sense that he's not really interested in trading out of #9 by using my Jedi mind reading powers
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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#163 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:03 am

Here is Cho on the 2014 Draft.

He says they had Vonleh really high. I bet had Stauskas + Vonleh both been available, they would have taken Vonleh. He basically said they have a list of players and if a higher player falls they draft him without hesitation. The Vonleh pick was from a script, there was no in-draft adjustments that had to be made. I just think the draft turned out really unexpected for Clifford given our needs. The vibe in the press room just seems to be one where Cho is fending off anxiety about other contingency plans rendered obsolete. The weird tension could just come down to McRoberts. Now Cho has a top 5 pick and a top 10 pick needing minutes at a position manned by one of the coach's favorites. Clifford ran his whole system through McRoberts for a good part of the year in games.

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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#164 » by amcoolio » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:10 am

I think Clifford is smart enough to recognize value like that though. Our offseason isn't anywhere near done...Cho probably can't wait for the next month to get here so he can breathe
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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#165 » by Elden Payton » Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:11 am

McBob means a lot to us but he is also a career journeyman.

You don't pass up potential stars for the sake of career journeymen.

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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#166 » by gamer4Life » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:02 pm

So what's Cho's grade now?

I'm surprised he offered Hayward so much, but maybe he was the first to know the real market value of the players since other teams seem to be willing to pay so much for Hayward and Parsons.
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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#167 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:08 pm

gamer4Life wrote:So what's Cho's grade now?

I'm surprised he offered Hayward so much, but maybe he was the first to know the real market value of the players since other teams seem to be willing to pay so much for Hayward and Parsons.


'B-'...Vonleh falling to #9 is about the only silver lining right about now of the offseason, and that was a 'no-brainer'
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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#168 » by LofJ » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:09 pm

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gamer4Life wrote:So what's Cho's grade now?

I'm surprised he offered Hayward so much, but maybe he was the first to know the real market value of the players since other teams seem to be willing to pay so much for Hayward and Parsons.


'B-'...Vonleh falling to #9 is about the only silver lining right about now of the offseason, and that was a 'no-brainer'


This offseason isn't over, I don't see how you can grade yet just yet.
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Post#169 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:12 pm

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gamer4Life wrote:So what's Cho's grade now?

I'm surprised he offered Hayward so much, but maybe he was the first to know the real market value of the players since other teams seem to be willing to pay so much for Hayward and Parsons.


'B-'...Vonleh falling to #9 is about the only silver lining right about now of the offseason, and that was a 'no-brainer'


This offseason isn't over, I don't see how you can grade yet just yet.


It's a incomplete grade, but if I'm grading it on losing McRoberts, Hairston's symmetrical off-court issues, and that offer sheet to Hayward, I'll give it a 'B-', which would've been worst if it wasn't for the 'A+' of drafting Vonleh alone
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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#170 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:17 pm

gamer4Life wrote:So what's Cho's grade now?

I'm surprised he offered Hayward so much, but maybe he was the first to know the real market value of the players since other teams seem to be willing to pay so much for Hayward and Parsons.

Considering the fact that we haven't signed a FA yet, a little premature to ask this question.
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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#171 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:21 pm

gamer4Life wrote:So what's Cho's grade now?

I'm surprised he offered Hayward so much, but maybe he was the first to know the real market value of the players since other teams seem to be willing to pay so much for Hayward and Parsons.


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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#172 » by Eoghan » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:53 pm

I'll give him a solid D+ for overall work. Maybe he can still turn it into a solid C with some decent FA signings (I'm losing hope).
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Post#173 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:56 pm

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Post#174 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:06 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:To follow up on this post, I think you guys hold these players & GMs in too high of a light. They're just humans that were more privileged and/or dedicated to their craft with the right support system to reach the success they're at right now. I personally know plenty of successful people to a subjective level, basketball players to actors to musicians. They think and act just like you. On a good day, I'm sure some of you (if you know how to play basketball) could beat a NBA player in a game of H-O-R-S-E. People in a position of power are not inhumane. I hate having to argue the variable points of this because it make me look like I despise success, but I frown upon the way how y'all act like Cho among others are any better than us. They make mistakes

Two things:

(1) Of course Cho can make mistakes. No one is disputing that.

(2) Cho is indisputably better equipped than any of us to analyze personnel decisions - he has analytics tools we don't have, experience none of us have, access to sources, scouts and information that none of us have, and all of his time to devote to using those tools, experience and information. He also receives input from management, and we are not in a position to understand the extent that that influences his decisions.

I get the whole point of this site is to have armchair GMs, but the general criticism of Cho and questioning of his competency seems odd given the current state of the Hornets franchise.
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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#175 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:08 pm

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mrknowitall215 wrote:To follow up on this post, I think you guys hold these players & GMs in too high of a light. They're just humans that were more privileged and/or dedicated to their craft with the right support system to reach the success they're at right now. I personally know plenty of successful people to a subjective level, basketball players to actors to musicians. They think and act just like you. On a good day, I'm sure some of you (if you know how to play basketball) could beat a NBA player in a game of H-O-R-S-E. People in a position of power are not inhumane. I hate having to argue the variable points of this because it make me look like I despise success, but I frown upon the way how y'all act like Cho among others are any better than us. They make mistakes

Two things:

(1) Of course Cho can make mistakes. No one is disputing that.

(2) Cho is indisputably better equipped than any of us to analyze personnel decisions - he has analytics tools we don't have, experience none of us have, access to sources, scouts and information that none of us have, and all of his time to devote to using those tools, experience and information. He also receives input from management, and we are not in a position to understand the extent that that influences his decisions.

I get the whole point of this site is to have armchair GMs, but the general criticism of Cho and questioning of his competency seems odd given the current state of the Hornets franchise.


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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#176 » by TheKingofSting » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:13 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:Rod Higgins might've been a genius in disguise of folly


Maybe he was so stupid he was smart?
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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#177 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:00 pm

TheKingofSting wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:Rod Higgins might've been a genius in disguise of folly


Maybe he was so stupid he was smart?


Possibly. I wouldn't know what happened behind those closed doors. All I know is that I'm not in favor of how this free agency is going 'so far' now that Cho is in sole control
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Re: Cho Me the Money! - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#178 » by Hornet Mania » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:11 pm

I'm fine with the off-season so far, mainly because I don't see how we could have done much better. We all see the ridiculous contracts being tossed out left and right, I certainly don't want to compete on those terms. As a small market franchise we absolutely cannot let ourselves fall into that game. If you bust on one or two big deals you're basically the old treadmill Bucks from a couple years back.

I hated losing McBob, but he wasn't worth $6 million over 4 years, and he took the deal with a Miami team he probably fully expected to retain Lebron. We realistically may have been forced to pay $7 million per year to overcome that factor, no one knows. The only report we got was that Charlotte also offered the equivalent of a full MLE, although it didn't specify if we offered the full 4 years at that price, and he still chose Miami.

We took a shot on Hayward, Utah matched. No shame in that. The RFA game is notoriously difficult to come out of with valuable pieces. Ask Portland about their pursuit of Roy Hibbert, or Minnesota (I believe it was them, anyway) about their offer for Nic Batum.

Lance Stephenson is intriguing, maybe we still make a run at him. But on the flip side, maybe we've gotten reports from league sources that he's a nut and no one in their right mind should back the money truck up in his driveway. No one else is throwing big offers his way either, it really makes me wonder why.

So what could we realistically have done better this off-season? The one area I can understand criticizing Cho is our total lack of activity on the trade front. I wouldn't have minded seeing us be a facilitator for other moves this off-season, taking on picks and prospects in return. I still hope we try to jump in on the K-Love front and squeeze something of value out of the Cavs/Wolves/Bulls/whoever else is involved. I hope we also manage to round out the roster with quality vets on short deals, even if we don't land our big fish. Get this year's Jodie Meeks or McBob, an undervalued guy who has a skill you can find use for on a winning team.

Charlotte is a young team with loads of cap space. If we can't find the right deal, and I don't think that deal has realistically been available this off-season, then it's prudent to sit tight and develop from within. I still think the team can contend for a playoff spot assuming Kemba/MKG/Zeller all show improvement and Vonleh flashes what made him seem like a top-5 lock going into the draft. It sucks that we couldn't be the 2010 Heat and load up overnight, but sometimes the best move is no move. I honestly believe this may be one of those times. I tentatively give the off-season a C. Fill out the roster with decent vets, or make a few trades for assets and it's C+
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Post#179 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:17 pm

I just don't see a logjam of Lance + Hendo + Neal + Hairston, with Taylor on the roster as well and CDR lurking.

If plan B is Lance then I'm surprised we're not seeing more movement on the trade front. Then again you don't hear about any teams being interested in our guys anyways.

I would change my tune about Cho's offseason if he were to land Lance and send out Henderson somewhere.

I honestly don't see it, maybe neither.
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Post#180 » by HornetJail » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:17 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:I just don't see a logjam of Lance + Hendo + Neal + Hairston, with Taylor on the roster as well and CDR lurking.

If plan B is Lance then I'm surprised we're not seeing more movement on the trade front. Then again you don't hear about any teams being interested in our guys anyways.

I would change my tune about Cho's offseason if he were to land Lance and send out Henderson somewhere.

I honestly don't see it, maybe neither.

If a GM decides that Lance Stephenson isn't worth it because he already has 4-5 shooting guards, and Gerald Henderson is the best of the bunch he deserves to be fired.

Either way, the wing rotation would be:
SF: MKG (30mpg) / Hendo (18mpg)
SG: Stephenson (24mpg) / CDR or Hairston (18mpg) / Hendo (6mpg)
PG: Kemba (36mpg) / Lance (12mpg)

and that's if we didn't even sign a good backup PG. I would be perfectly okay with stashing PJ and Taylor in the D-League while we wait for a suitable Henderson trade. Gary Neal simply shouldn't play under any circumstances ever.
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