2013 NBA draft prospects chatter

James Gatz · Post #161 » by **James Gatz** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:47 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
James Gatz wrote:
Poythress next to MKG is my dream scenario. Hes a freaky athlete.

What positions would they play next to each other?

I believe Poythress can play the 4 in the NBA. He should be playing at the 4 right now for KY

Isn't he only 6'7? Not saying he couldn't play the 4 but I'm not sure about playing it full time.

SWedd523 · Post #162 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:52 pm

Poythress makes me a little nervous being a tweener. 6'8 is more SF territory, and I think MKG would do fine sliding over to SG if we got another (bigger) high level wing, but a 7'0 wingspan will help him in the post. I'll have to watch a little more of him to determine whether or not he has the athleticism to be a big 3 or the worthwhile post moves to be a small 4.

James Gatz · Post #163 » by **James Gatz** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:54 pm

I'm fine moving MKG to the 2 but that would mean we still need a perimeter shooter to spread the floor. MKG will never function in that role.

catch20two · Post #164 » by **catch20two** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:55 pm

Poythress is currently 6'8" and weigh 240lbs. I also believe that he could get taller being that he just turned 19 years old. I like him as a PF, no tweener about it. He will make a excellent roll man in the pick & roll and inside of a uptempo system with transition offense.

penquin11 · Post #165 » by **penquin11** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:35 pm

MKG is not a SG, he doesn't shoot well enough to be one.

JT2006 · Post #166 » by **JT2006** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:31 pm

penquin11 wrote:MKG is not a SG, he doesn't shoot well enough to be one.

It doesn't really matter where you get your shooting from as long as you get it. The wing positions are very fluid, and if he proves to be a good passer then you need the shooting from him even less.

lmcguir5 · Post #167 » by **lmcguir5** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:35 pm

JT2006 wrote:
penquin11 wrote:MKG is not a SG, he doesn't shoot well enough to be one.

It doesn't really matter where you get your shooting from as long as you get it. The wing positions are very fluid, and if he proves to be a good passer then you need the shooting from him even less.

I dont think we really need to even contemplate putting MKG in the 2 spot. He is doing well from that spot and I don't want to move him and risk developmental regression. If we move MKG to the 2 then JT gets less playing time too. We obviously need a true big man and don't really need to go after a guy that is 6'8". All we truly need is a guy who dominates the glass, which if you watched the Washington game Saturday, you know is a huge problem right now.

JT2006 · Post #168 » by **JT2006** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:54 pm

lmcguir5 wrote:
JT2006 wrote:
penquin11 wrote:MKG is not a SG, he doesn't shoot well enough to be one.

It doesn't really matter where you get your shooting from as long as you get it. The wing positions are very fluid, and if he proves to be a good passer then you need the shooting from him even less.

I dont think we really need to even contemplate putting MKG in the 2 spot. He is doing well from that spot and I don't want to move him and risk developmental regression. If we move MKG to the 2 then JT gets less playing time too. We obviously need a true big man and don't really need to go after a guy that is 6'8". All we truly need is a guy who dominates the glass, which if you watched the Washington game Saturday, you know is a huge problem right now.

I know what you're saying but Kemba and MKG are both excellent rebounders at their positions. Biz is still developing as a rebounder, learning basic fundamentals and he's still a pretty decent one. When you have rebounding from your whole team it helps. I'm not saying we shouldn't draft a big, I'm just saying it wouldn't be the end of the world if MKG starting guarding the opposing 2 guard and we had a bigger wing on the floor with him guarding the three. Hell, maybe even one that shoots well.

Eoghan · Post #169 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:09 pm

Agreed on the Poythress as an NBA 4 posts. I think he can definitely play there even if he doesn't grow anymore thanks to this smaller NBA today.

Cauley-Stein reminds me of a slightly more athletic Josh Boone. He'd be a solid pick up if we get a mid-1st rounder this year.

SWedd523 · Post #170 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:30 pm

penquin11 wrote:MKG is not a SG, he doesn't shoot well enough to be one.

Good thing shooting isn't the only thing required of a modern day SG.

lmcguir5 wrote:I dont think we really need to even contemplate putting MKG in the 2 spot. He is doing well from that spot and I don't want to move him and risk developmental regression. If we move MKG to the 2 then JT gets less playing time too. We obviously need a true big man and don't really need to go after a guy that is 6'8". All we truly need is a guy who dominates the glass, which if you watched the Washington game Saturday, you know is a huge problem right now.

MKG is a "wing". The NBA doesn't utilize arbitrary denotations like SG or SF anymore. His growth would in no way be stunted by "moving" to the SG to allow another, bigger wing to play alongside him.

Poythress is more of an athlete than anything else from what I've seen of his HS tape. I admittedly haven't watched Kentucky this year so maybe he's shown more of a post game than I expect, but 6'8 as a post player is more of a hindrance than a non-issue or benefit no matter how you slice it. (Not saying he can't overcome it so get your panties out of a bunch)

penquin11 · Post #171 » by **penquin11** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:48 pm

Unless Poythress has awesome shooting ability drafting him would be a bad move, as it would force MKG to the 2 spot, whereby putting whoever our 2 guard is (lets say JT for example) on the bench, which would make our starting 5 lack a 3 point option. That stated the Bobcats clearly need a big to complement Mullins (if Mullins keeps improving he will be a viable starter in the NBA) who can grab rebounds...

If we are looking for bigmen Mason Plumee has looked great this year.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #172 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:43 pm

I'm not concerned about "moving" MKG to the 2...MKG is a prototypical 3 by traditional means, but the NBA has moved away from the 5 traditional positions IMO. It's not "positionless" per se, just different. This is oversimplifying things a bit, but I view it as 3 positions instead of 5: Points, Wings, and Bigs.

I mean, I wasn't crazy about drafting another 3 in JT after we took MKG but look at the results thus far...heck if you look at an ESPN box score we start 1 PG (Point), 2 SFs (Wings), and 2 Cs (Bigs). Like Swedd mentioned, the names are just arbitrary at this point.

Like I said I don't have a concern about "moving" MKG, but I don't like the idea of pairing him with another wing that can't shoot. Admittedly I haven't done much research on prospects just yet, but unless Polythress has a good jumpshot I'm not too keen on the idea of putting him at the other wing opposite MKG.

Liver_Pooty · Post #173 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:15 am

penquin11 wrote:Unless Poythress has awesome shooting ability drafting him would be a bad move, as it would force MKG to the 2 spot, whereby putting whoever our 2 guard is (lets say JT for example) on the bench, which would make our starting 5 lack a 3 point option. That stated the Bobcats clearly need a big to complement Mullins (if Mullins keeps improving he will be a viable starter in the NBA) who can grab rebounds
If we are looking for bigmen Mason Plumee has looked great this year.

Speaking of Plumlee he has sky rocketed to 12 on draft express

penquin11 · Post #174 » by **penquin11** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:19 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
penquin11 wrote:Unless Poythress has awesome shooting ability drafting him would be a bad move, as it would force MKG to the 2 spot, whereby putting whoever our 2 guard is (lets say JT for example) on the bench, which would make our starting 5 lack a 3 point option. That stated the Bobcats clearly need a big to complement Mullins (if Mullins keeps improving he will be a viable starter in the NBA) who can grab rebounds
If we are looking for bigmen Mason Plumee has looked great this year.

Speaking of Plumlee he has sky rocketed to 12 on draft express

He is the only player in the top 15 to be averaging 10 or more rebounds a game right now...

Liver_Pooty · Post #175 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:43 am

penquin11 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
penquin11 wrote:Unless Poythress has awesome shooting ability drafting him would be a bad move, as it would force MKG to the 2 spot, whereby putting whoever our 2 guard is (lets say JT for example) on the bench, which would make our starting 5 lack a 3 point option. That stated the Bobcats clearly need a big to complement Mullins (if Mullins keeps improving he will be a viable starter in the NBA) who can grab rebounds
If we are looking for bigmen Mason Plumee has looked great this year.

Speaking of Plumlee he has sky rocketed to 12 on draft express

He is the only player in the top 15 to be averaging 10 or more rebounds a game right now...

Yep..

Kembastockton · Post #176 » by **Kembastockton** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:56 am

penquin11 wrote:MKG is not a SG, he doesn't shoot well enough to be one.

By that logic Hendo isn't a shooting guard either.

catch20two wrote:Poythress is currently 6'8" and weigh 240lbs. I also believe that he could get taller being that he just turned 19 years old. I like him as a PF, no tweener about it. He will make a excellent roll man in the pick & roll and inside of a uptempo system with transition offense.

At 240 lbs and a 7'0 wing span Poythress is one of the best athletes in the NCAA. Therefore he can add even more muscle to bang with the big boys and still be effective.

Unless Poythress has awesome shooting ability drafting him would be a bad move, as it would force MKG to the 2 spot, whereby putting whoever our 2 guard is (lets say JT for example) on the bench, which would make our starting 5 lack a 3 point option. That stated the Bobcats clearly need a big to complement Mullins (if Mullins keeps improving he will be a viable starter in the NBA) who can grab rebounds...

You are thinking small. This statement tells the reader that you assume MKG and Mully to be more valuable players than Alex. What if Alex is better than both of them? He has scored, rebounded, and shot very well so far. You draft the best player available then trade for needs. Alex has been demostrating superstar potential.

penquin11 · Post #177 » by **penquin11** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:42 am

MountBiyombo wrote:
penquin11 wrote:MKG is not a SG, he doesn't shoot well enough to be one.

By that logic Hendo isn't a shooting guard either.

Hendo has a reliable mid-range jumper and a good fade.... MKG is limited to inside shots/close shots, as shown by his shot selection...

SWedd523 · Post #178 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:30 pm

penquin11 wrote:
MountBiyombo wrote:
penquin11 wrote:MKG is not a SG, he doesn't shoot well enough to be one.

By that logic Hendo isn't a shooting guard either.

Hendo has a reliable mid-range jumper and a good fade.... MKG is limited to inside shots/close shots, as shown by his shot selection...

So then he's not a SF either. He's a PF playing out of position and we're hurting his development, right?

Youthanasia · Post #179 » by **Youthanasia** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:44 pm

idk but at 2014 draft we must draft james birsen guy, he is hedo turkoglu on steroids and i predict him a grant hill like peak cuz i watch him turkish basketball league he plays significant minutes while he is still 17.

penquin11 · Post #180 » by **penquin11** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:33 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
So then he's not a SF either. He's a PF playing out of position and we're hurting his development, right?

He is a great ballhandler for a SF which allows him to draw fouls, also he lacks ideal hieght for a PF, MKG should become what prime Shawn Marion was, a guy who utlilizes his athleticism to score inside at will while also being an elite defender- except MKG has better handles and more speed. That stated its important to have range in your starting 5 so that teams cant shut them down with zone consistently, if we were to shift MKG into the 2 slot and put Alex P. (too lazy to spell that awesome last name) at the 3 we would have no 3pt threat in our starting 5...